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[leaguer of one]

I truly do not mean you any ill will, insult, or injury, however this post very clearly illustrates my point. The character Cole is designed to bypass reason by means of sentiment. 'Cole' is not Cole. It believed it was Cole. That it believed that it was so is a delusion. As is sharing that delusion. Which is its design.

True enough, it is a theory, but until a more complete explanation for the nature of Cole is established, that the child Cole and the spirit Cole are entirely separate entities and that the spirit believed for years that it was the child until it came to believe it was not is the status quo for this character. It WAS delusional. That delusion calls into question all information accounted for from its perspective.

How can a thing or person be delusional if they accept and state what they truly are? Cole has no illusions that he is a spirit. He just does not know what that means. That does not mean he is dilusional

[Natarsi]

A lot of good points and interesting theories have been thrown out in my absence.

 

I got to agree with several points and disagree with others. In the end thought, with what information we currently have we can not say or claim anything for sure. And maybe we'll never be able to. Which I'd find also rather interesting. I like 'the unknown'.

 

Also... IF (big and major if) Cole were to be a demon... I'd actually think it's really interesting to have him in your party. I mean... demon-companion aiding you in saving the world? I'm not sure if that has been done before :3

 

Right now I'm more onto the train of thought that Cole might be a new kind of existence. He's labled as a spirit as of now, but couldn't that be because that is the closest thing of existence that we know as of now?

 

I'm also curious to see how we encounter him and if we even will find out about anything happening in Asunder.
It will also be interesting to read and see how people who haven't read Asunder experience him compared to those that read the book

[Dust]

I truly do not mean you any ill will, insult, or injury, however this post very clearly illustrates my point. The character Cole is designed to bypass reason by means of sentiment. 'Cole' is not Cole. It believed it was Cole. That it believed that it was so is a delusion. As is sharing that delusion. Which is its design.

True enough, it is a theory, but until a more complete explanation for the nature of Cole is established, that the child Cole and the spirit Cole are entirely separate entities and that the spirit believed for years that it was the child until it came to believe it was not is the status quo for this character. It WAS delusional. That delusion calls into question all information accounted for from its perspective.

 

You are not insult him, Oh NO. You did put a lot of thought on him, and your concerns are quite reasonable. I once believed that it is the only way to explain, and this is truly the whole story. But something was bugging me off, constantly. If I didn't reread the book, I will never know where went wrong. The original Cole is still exist, even from your perspective.

 

I didn't specified the reason why I am so convincing is because I thought the proves just went everywhere throughout the book. But I'm wrong, they are somehow invisible, just like Cole, and they should be specified.

 

Somehow, If all the existence of Cole were some delusions created by demon or spirit and it aims to deceiving others for their sympathy, beyond all these psychological descriptions from Cole’s perspective, “it" is still too crafty to create such elaborate details and too stupid to achieve "its" goal and play the double-dealing tricks.

 

However, Cole has these sufferings and kindness that no body knows, which definitely no use for what so called “its real purpose”. 

 

He was pondering behind Rhys's door for hours, so desperately wants to give a more proper explanation or a sincere apology, but still failed since caring too much and yet nobody knows.

 

He was suffered from weariness, nightmares, cold, slaughter, inner darkness and the tragic happiness of helping, but he still followed Rhys all way long and saved him at the end, but nobody knows.

 

He can’t even explain things in a proper way, how can he deceive?

 

He did everything he could to protect the one he cared, how can he betray?

 

His pure soul is not a delusion, he has self-identity, free will, conscience, life purpose, he change, he grows, he feels, his personality is not been created to fit in any other beings, he is who he is. HE EXIST.

 

(In a fiction story thoughXD)

 

 

And I also believe he means well, because If it’s all for the bloodlust, there is no doubt that any other normal demon can do this job rather remarkably.

 

[Eveangaline]

I think he's the second character it seems we're not forced to recruit, though he's the only
one confirmed (Patrick hinted that we don't have to recruit IB).

 

I thought we don't have to recruit most of them, since we can end up with apparently only one companion.

 

Although it could be we have to recruit the others temporarily and then get the option to tell them to shove off afterwards.

[Green Snivy]

Might be awkward for people who arent a rouge to send away Cole,Varric, and Sera. Locked doors and chests would be your worst and most deadly foe. also hoping Cole starts off able to open things, not like Zevran who was the only rogue in my first play through of orgins. I missed Leliana due to not knowing about her

[LobselVith8]

*Wears referee shirt*Fade and beyond are interchangable... ill allow it

 

Don't feed the troll, raging.

[The Elder King]

I thought we don't have to recruit most of them, since we can end up with apparently only one companion.
 
Although it could be we have to recruit the others temporarily and then get the option to tell them to shove off afterwards.

Yup, It's likely that some characters will join without our input (I'm personally sure about Cass, Varric, Solas and possibly Dorian), but they might leave/be killed later on.

[BloodKaiden]

So just finished the book Asunder...this was an excellent read! A lot of major conflicts with all sides having valid points in regard to the situations at hand. This definitely plays a factor into who I will be taking on my first play through for the game. Cole is such an intriguing character he now has to be in my party. So Ill be rolling with Blackwall, Dorian, Cole(sry Vivi) and my human mage.

Now to begin reading TME.

[Magdalena11]

So just finished the book Asunder...this was an excellent read! A lot of major conflicts with all sides having valid points in regard to the situations at hand. This definitely plays a factor into who I will be taking on my first play through for the game. Cole is such an intriguing character he now has to be in my party. So Ill be rolling with Blackwall, Dorian, Cole(sry Vivi) and my human mage.

Now to begin reading TME.

Really good idea.  They kind of work together to provide a lot of background.  

[LobselVith8]

I think he's the second character it seems we're not forced to recruit, though he's the only
one confirmed (Patrick hinted that we don't have to recruit IB).

 

I wonder how recruitment is going to be handled for Cole, since he's rather unique from the rest of the companions. Cole is a spirit, and depending on the roleplay for the main character, that may likely be a cause of concern for the protagonist, although not necessarily one that would prohibit recruitment into the Inquisition, given the dire circumstances of the Breach. Will it be possible to recruit Cole without subscribing to a particular line of thought about him? Could there be multiple dialogue options to address acceptance or wariness of Cole? Or might it simply be neutral, and future interactions will determine how the protagonist views Cole's status as a spirit. Perhaps even one where the character slowly changes their opinion on Cole.

 

Given the crisis with the Breach, I'd also like to know how it's impacting Cole, and what he plans to do once the Breach has been resolved. Might he want to remain with the Inquisition and continue to help people, or does he have something else in mind to do with his life?

[Eveangaline]

Might be awkward for people who arent a rouge to send away Cole,Varric, and Sera. Locked doors and chests would be your worst and most deadly foe. also hoping Cole starts off able to open things, not like Zevran who was the only rogue in my first play through of orgins. I missed Leliana due to not knowing about her

 

 

Are they going back to lockpicking being a specific skill, or any rogue can do it based on their cunning stat like in da2? Because that would be so much easier.

[Faerah]

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[Dust]

I wonder how recruitment is going to be handled for Cole, since he's rather unique from the rest of the companions. Cole is a spirit, and depending on the roleplay for the main character, that may likely be a cause of concern for the protagonist, although not necessarily one that would prohibit recruitment into the Inquisition, given the dire circumstances of the Breach. Will it be possible to recruit Cole without subscribing to a particular line of thought about him? Could there be multiple dialogue options to address acceptance or wariness of Cole? Or might it simply be neutral, and future interactions will determine how the protagonist views Cole's status as a spirit. Perhaps even one where the character slowly changes their opinion on Cole.

 

Given the crisis with the Breach, I'd also like to know how it's impacting Cole, and what he plans to do once the Breach has been resolved. Might he want to remain with the Inquisition and continue to help people, or does he have something else in mind to do with his life?

 

Cole has this complicated identity issue which I don't think he will hide from you. He will raise some questions no doubt, however I believe only few will actually reject him from the first place. Its purely tactic reason. He is the only rogue designed to be a melee. If things isn't going quite well, you can just ignore him and use him when you have to. I think he won't mind

[Dust]

Are they going back to lockpicking being a specific skill, or any rogue can do it based on their cunning stat like in da2? Because that would be so much easier.

 

We have skyhold to maintain, tons of custom items to create. Treasure hunting will be an unprecedented concernment. I believe they won't make things difficult for us.

[vortex216]

I don't know if anyone said this before but, I think Evan Peters would make an excellent Cole in a live-action Dragon Age anything.

[Lalwen]

I don't know if anyone said this before but, I think Evan Peters would make an excellent Cole in a live-action Dragon Age anything.

He would indeed ! I had to google him (sorry ...) and wow :

 

[Home8Less]

wow.......out of all character threads this has to be by far the one with the most moral arguments, i think cole's the only character so far that some ppl will try to kill/not recruit outright when they first meet him...such of controversial character, it makes him very interesting i'll say. i think I'll chance it and take him, he sorta creeps me out...in a good way if thats possible   and isn't evan peters the juvenile delinquent/super fast dude in the new X-men movies?

[vortex216]

Yes, he does play Quicksilver in X-men. He is also known for American Horror Story.

I do agree with your statement about people might wanting to kill him. He is very creeeepy and off-putting, but he's also endearing in a way. He is a very interesting character, and he might be one of my favorites in the franchise.

[Dust]

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[Eveangaline]

I don't know if anyone said this before but, I think Evan Peters would make an excellent Cole in a live-action Dragon Age anything.

 

Didn't David Gaider say that?

[vortex216]

I honestly don't know, but it would be awesome if he did.

[Dust]

Didn't David Gaider say that?

 

yep.

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[Kulyok]

I've been re-reading passages from Asunder recently, trying to recall Cole's character, and I admit, I'm fairly puzzled: it's practically impossible to make him into sympathetic character, let alone a companion.

 

- In the book, he is basically an evil serial killer. In one of the beginning scene, he kills a helpless girl, and does it, I admit, in a fairly disturbing(if not disgusting) manner, stroking the victim's cheek, speaking of deliverance and so on(and then he kills her). He kills again, and again, until any sympathy anyone could feel towards him finally nears annihilation.

 

- He is a demon, and Seeker Lambert, I believe, is very close to the truth when he cries out that Rhys could become his next host. Anyone could become his next host - that's what demons do. He preys on people, he kills people, and simple common sense begs one to start reading the Litany, not to take him to the party. (And we all remember the story of Justice and Vengeance - though, privately, I think Anders wasn't entirely wrong, given how the Chantry wanted to destroy the entire city in their holy war).

 

- He also kills a fairly sympathetic character - Lord Seeker. To me, Lord Seeker is very-well written, is a dedicated character, and noble, too, in a way. Basically, Lambert is a three-dimensional Meredith with a strong character and understandable convictions. I certainly sympathize with him, and though I usually support mages, I cannot side with Rhys in the book. Rhys' speech "nooo, Cole is good, there's so much we don't know, come on, he just killed a few random innocents, who cares?" seemed hollow next to Lambert's calm reasoning. Seriously, I'd rather have Seeker Lambert as a member of the Inquisition than Cole.

 

- even as Cole tries to be "good", he continues to rape and violate the minds of people by erasing their memories. Imagine that someone helps you, and then he suddenly kills the _you_ he helped: you've been thinking a thought, and this thought is erased with your consciousness; in your place now stands another you, without your last memories and insight. Your consciousness has been deleted, your memories of the last hour are gone; another entity stands in your place. It might be 99,9999% you, but still, not quite. That's Cole's most horrible trait - and judging by the quotes, he doesn't seem to be ashamed, he seemed to be proud that he "helped" people in this perverse way. And he intends to continue.

 

So, I can picture Cole as a very dangerous antagonist we certainly need to kill, a demon we need to destroy, someone who understandably causes the feelings of shock and perhaps even hatred - a creature that causes that much harm and suffering should be stopped, certainly imprisoned.

 

But a companion? A friend? Well, I do play evil characters, I play murderous characters, but I think even my Sith Warrior would hesitate before asking Cole to join the team.

[BloodKaiden]

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Still don't understand why people are so shocked we dont have a saint as a companion. Leliana and Sten commited horrible or dark acts in DAO from their pasts as well. Cole is not the first companion we've had that can be considered questionable.

[Elista]

I remember my Warden telling Alistair, speaking about Sten, "we are all murderers", and Alistair reluctantly agreed. The Grey Wardens and their allies were clearly not peaceful monks. My Warden chose to side with Sten because Sten was now a weapon in his hands, and she thought she didn't have to judge him, she took him as he was, and he was wanting to help ; she never regretted her decision.

And so my Inquisitor will be pragmatic and welcome Cole, even if she will not trust him blindly, even if he is a murderer and maybe a kind of demon. The entire world of Thedas is nearly burning. Is it really a time for trials, or a time to fight with every volunteer you can find ? I didn' t like Cole in Asunder, but I'll give him a chance. I'll have Solas watching my back, anyway