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[Kulyok]

There's a difference between killing an enemy on the battlefield/to save the world, or killing an innocent just because a character feels like it. And, more, killing an innocent and THEN making a complete turnaround and continue on as a good member of the team(=wardens or inquisition).

 

I'm afraid neither Sten nor Cole are not capable of such elaborate schizophrenia(or, perhaps, are badly written in this particular regard). If a character slaughters children without thinking, without mercy, he will not suddenly turn around and become a helpful, understanding and absolutely loyal companion. I never believed that Sten could travel with a Warden who was a blood mage and remain calm(bar the Haven incident, but that had nothing to do with magic).

 

Either it's bad writing, or it's an unbelievable situation, or both. If Cole, being extremely emotionally disturbed in Asunder, will prove to be a competent and loyal character in DAI and never pull an Anders/Yoshimo, I'm afraid I will simply disbelieve this.

 

So I never took Sten into the party, apart from an introductory playthrough. He killed children in a fit of rage, yet he never had a single fit of rage afterwards. He speaks at length about dangerous mages and blood mages, yet a mage/blood mage Warden causes no complaints. Cole? He's extremely emotionally disturbed and dangerous to be around: an insight to his psyche in Asunder clearly tells me he's a killer ready to pounce - a careless word can set him off.

 

Either a new writer is going to go OOC and rewrite him completely, or Cole's sudden loyalty and goodness(consistent loyalty and goodness!) would simply be unbelievable to me, just like Sten's calm and reasonable behavior was. 

[Lalwen]

I want to defend Cole but I can't find the right words X) .. All I know is that I will take him in my party, I want to know him, and if later in the story it turns out it was a mistake, at least I'll know him, and I'll know why. I can't eliminate a potential companion from the start because he's a different being and has killed people, I believe in second chance, and I think it has been told that Cole has changed since the end of Asunder.

[BloodKaiden]

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The reason for his actions of killing is clearly stated in the book, he was scared of fading away, of not existing, in order to remain whole in his mind he HAD to kill people. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant. The world of Thedas as we know it is falling apart, your job as the Inquisitor is to stop the Breach and prevent it from ripping the world apart, our job is not to create a Utopia.

 

The mission is what matters, not trivial matters of whether or not your companions have killed someone in the past. If they are willing to aid in the mission and stop the threat that than why do their past actions even come into the equation?

 

The cold hard fact is that serial killers and deadly criminals make the most effective weapons. If you have an issue with this then simply don't recruit them to your cause. We have this option so if you don't want a character forced down your throat that you don't respect or trust then this shouldn't be a problem.

 

I'll recruit Cole and anyone else who wants to help and deal with the fallout after the world is saved or falls.

[Arvaarad]

he's a killer ready to pounce - a careless word can set him off.

So far, Cole has only killed (1) people who said they wanted to die and (2) someone who tried to kill him first. Unlike Leliana, Wynne, Shale, Merrill, or Fenris, he hasn't tried to kill people for making decisions he disagreed with.

[TheLittleBird]

Has this been posted yet? Just saw it on Tumblr and think it looks amazing.

 

 

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[Ieldra]

I see Cole continues to be controversial.

 

I can only say I will take him into the Inquisition because he's fascinating. His nature does not concern me overmuch, except to make me curious. If he proves to be a dependable ally, I'll treat him as I would any other, and from my POV, it's moronic to even entertain the notion he's not truly alive. There is no "falsely alive". Life is as life acts. If he passes what amounts to a Turing test, he's alive and intelligent.

 

His appearance is odd, but I think he may be the most interesting companion.

[Home8Less]

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And so my Inquisitor will be pragmatic and welcome Cole, even if she will not trust him blindly, even if he is a murderer and maybe a kind of demon. The entire world of Thedas is nearly burning. Is it really a time for trials, or a time to fight with every volunteer you can find ? I didn' t like Cole in Asunder, but I'll give him a chance. I'll have Solas watching my back, anyway

Didn't the devs day Solas and Cole will be the best of buds?just wondering cause it would make sense right since Cole has tat connection with the fade and solas goes to the fade like i go to the bathroom

[LadyKarrakaz]

A little fanart I found on tumblr. Enjoy (source written on the pic)

 

[Dust]

 

I'm afraid neither Sten nor Cole are not capable of such elaborate schizophrenia(or, perhaps, are badly written in this particular regard). If a character slaughters children without thinking, without mercy, he will not suddenly turn around and become a helpful, understanding and absolutely loyal companion. I never believed that Sten could travel with a Warden who was a blood mage and remain calm(bar the Haven incident, but that had nothing to do with magic).

 

Either it's bad writing, or it's an unbelievable situation, or both. If Cole, being extremely emotionally disturbed in Asunder, will prove to be a competent and loyal character in DAI and never pull an Anders/Yoshimo, I'm afraid I will simply disbelieve this.

 

Your linear thinking stopping you from enjoying this character, it's your lost, but Cole is David Gaider's personal favorite, Patrick Weekes's proud work, simply accusing him as a badly written part is irresponsible and reckless.

[TheLittleBird]

I'm afraid neither Sten nor Cole are not capable of such elaborate schizophrenia(or, perhaps, are badly written in this particular regard). If a character slaughters children without thinking, without mercy, he will not suddenly turn around and become a helpful, understanding and absolutely loyal companion. I never believed that Sten could travel with a Warden who was a blood mage and remain calm(bar the Haven incident, but that had nothing to do with magic).

 

Either it's bad writing, or it's an unbelievable situation, or both. If Cole, being extremely emotionally disturbed in Asunder, will prove to be a competent and loyal character in DAI and never pull an Anders/Yoshimo, I'm afraid I will simply disbelieve this.

Cole slaughtered children without thinking, without mercy?

 

Have you read Asunder? Because if you have, you might have misread it, as I got the sense that there was a lot of thinking and mercy on Cole's behalf.

There's no denying the events at Adamant and yes, also the White Spire, have changed him. It makes sense. But he's not suddenly turning from a merciless killer into a good-hearted, invisible hero of the people, not at all. Cole has always felt loyalty (in Asunder's case, to Rhys), he's felt compassion, he thought about his actions. In Asunder, he was still looking for himself, searching for an identity. He found that, or at least some of it, when the Lord Seeker used the Litany of Adralla on him. And he found that to be good enough.

 

From the looks of it, that has strengthened him in Inquisition. Accepting what he is, whether there is truth in it or not, has allowed him to focus on something else, on using his powers for what he believes is right.

 

I for one believe Cole was very well-written in Asunder, and knowing Patrick Weekes' previous work, especially with a troubled character as Jack in Mass Effect, and the fact that Gaider very much seems to like where P.W. has taken the character, I have high hopes for him in Inquisition.

[Fortlowe]

Cole slaughtered children without thinking, without mercy?
 
Have you read Asunder? Because if you have, you might have misread it, as I got the sense that there was a lot of thinking and mercy on Cole's behalf.
There's no denying the events at Adamant and yes, also the White Spire, have changed him. It makes sense. But he's not suddenly turning from a merciless killer into a good-hearted, invisible hero of the people, not at all. Cole has always felt loyalty (in Asunder's case, to Rhys), he's felt compassion, he thought about his actions. In Asunder, he was still looking for himself, searching for an identity. He found that, or at least some of it, when the Lord Seeker used the Litany of Adralla on him. And he found that to be good enough.
 
From the looks of it, that has strengthened him in Inquisition. Accepting what he is, whether there is truth in it or not, has allowed him to focus on something else, on using his powers for what he believes is right.
 
I for one believe Cole was very well-written in Asunder, and knowing Patrick Weekes' previous work, especially with a troubled character as Jack in Mass Effect, and the fact that Gaider very much seems to like where P.W. has taken the character, I have high hopes for him in Inquisition.

I could question if you've read or misread the book. Cole murders a child in cold blood in the first chapter. She never asks him to do it. She knows she has a chance at living a long life in the Circle. She's trapped, afraid, alone, and in the midst of the most profoundly traumatic episode of her very young life. And Cole stabs her to death. After he snuck into her cell specifically to do just that. Not to comfort her, or offer advice, or help her escape. He was there just to kill her. How that's mercy or compassion continues to elude me as well.

[TheLittleBird]

I could question if you've read or misread the book. Cole murders a child in cold blood in the first chapter. She never asks him to do it. She knows she has a chance at living a long life in the Circle. She's trapped, afraid, alone, and in the midst of the most profoundly traumatic episode of her very young life. And Cole stabs her to death. After he snuck into her cell specifically to do just that. Not to comfort her, or offer advice, or help her escape. He was there just to kill her. How that's mercy or compassion continues to elude me as well.

 

I don't have the book with me right now, but I believe that Cole believes that he's ending her pain, that he's helping her. I even believe he says at one point that he kills out of mercy. 

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, because as I said, I can't check it right now. But that is what I remember from it.

[Dust]

I don't have the book with me right now, but I believe that Cole believes that he's ending her pain, that he's helping her. I even believe he says at one point that he kills out of mercy. 
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, because as I said, I can't check it right now. But that is what I remember from it.

 

 
Bring some memories.
 

Cole inched forward, his heart thumping madly in his chest. He reached out and touched the girl’s cheek, and she didn’t flinch away. “I can make it go away.” The words were gentle, and he held the dagger up to prove his promise. “The pain, the fear. I can make it quick. You don’t have to stay here and see what they have in store for you.” 

She studied him, eerily calm. “Are you a demon?” she finally asked. “They say that’s what happens to mages. The demons come and turn them into monsters.” Then she smiled, a lifeless grimace that matched her dead eyes. “But you don’t need to do that. I’m already a monster.”

He didn’t respond.

“I said I didn’t mean to burn it down. That’s what I told them, too. But I lied.” The confession spilled out of her like cold venom. “I listened to my mother, my father, all of them screaming, and I did nothing. I wanted them to burn. I’m glad they’re dead.”

Her secret told, the girl took a deep breath and blinked back tears. She looked at Cole expectantly, but he only sighed. “I’m not a demon,” he said.

[Exaltation]

That's totally Cole.

[Dust]

I could question if you've read or misread the book. Cole murders a child in cold blood in the first chapter. She never asks him to do it. She knows she has a chance at living a long life in the Circle. She's trapped, afraid, alone, and in the midst of the most profoundly traumatic episode of her very young life. And Cole stabs her to death. After he snuck into her cell specifically to do just that. Not to comfort her, or offer advice, or help her escape. He was there just to kill her. How that's mercy or compassion continues to elude me as well.

 

I believe this girl was been hunted, death could be the only way to set her free.

But you're right, Cole's intention was not 100% pure, it was his mistake, however, I think deep down in his heart, he knows that wasn't right:

"You need to stop " - DAA. p21

[TheLittleBird]

 
Bring some memories.
 

 

Ah thanks

 

Yeah I believe Cole did what he believed was right. He didn't kill just to kill... at least in that moment he did not perceive it as such. Calling Cole a "cold-blooded, merciless killer" is giving it too simple of a label.

[Dust]

How could I missed this lol

 

https://twitter.com/...120634375254016

 

 

 

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[frostajulie]

I have to say of all the characters revealed I am most looking forward to Cole.

[Faerah]

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 

Also I got Solas to yell at me today, so one down. Next up, Cole. #AssQuisitor

 

Liz Lehtonen ‏@Liz_Lehtonen 

I apologized to my screen today because of Cole #unintentional #AssQuisitor

 

[Fredward]

I read fan "excitement" as fan excrement. I figure enough excitement might lead to excrement so it's not all bad though.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ah thanks

Yeah I believe Cole did what he believed was right. He didn't kill just to kill... at least in that moment he did not perceive it as such. Calling Cole a "cold-blooded, merciless killer" is giving it too simple of a label.

It's a demon with narcissistic delusions.

[Fredward]

I'm all for discussing a character's nuances but if some of ya'll are just gonna consistently dismiss all the viewpoints that clash with yours as Cole-as-malevolent-demon, even to the point of dismissing him as badly written so as to better fit your concept [you know you're treading water when you're saying that the creator is wrong about their own creation], there really isn't much to discuss is there?

[AlexiaRevan]

Sorry , never posted in this thread . But for those who read the book with Cole . The last sentance where he reveal that there was a mage and that he was forgotten and then he mention something about a demon . (sorry if this was talked bout before)...I though that : 1)the real cole was dead , 2) the real cole was dead and become a ghost like , 3) something took his place and is acting as cole . 

Anyone has an answer for this one? 

[Lalwen]

Sorry , never posted in this thread . But for those who read the book with Cole . The last sentance where he reveal that there was a mage and that he was forgotten and then he mention something about a demon . (sorry if this was talked bout before)...I though that : 1)the real cole was dead , 2) the real cole was dead and become a ghost like , 3) something took his place and is acting as cole . 

Anyone has an answer for this one? 

The real Cole is dead, we don't really know the process of how the "new" Cole took his place, but he didn't acted as Cole, he was convinced he was the real Cole. He is a Spirit (maybe a Demon), and a powerful one to be able to live outside the Fade without a host.

[AlexiaRevan]

Ohhh I see . I would think more of a Spirit . At least that is the vibes I'm getting from him . Hope his true 'reasons to be' and what and who he is will be revealed during the game . Thanx for the answer