That's it! That you're quite right! Don't you see? The fact is his existence contradict to the whole chantry's statement. That's why the subject is so appealing!
Mimic is to mimic something was already happened or is happening right now. Like you said, spirt can't even mimic a chair, can they mimic a human who can even age? Do you have any idea what that means?
How does cole contradict Chantry understanding?
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How does cole contradict Chantry understanding?
Here is my logic, if the original Cole had long gone, this full set of human identity was entirely created by magic, then this fade entity is definitely contradict to the current Chantry’s understanding about how fade beings are lack of soul and creativity. He’s powerful, unique and dangerous indeed, thus I will treat him respectfully & gently and will thank for his benevolence.
But if the original Cole was somehow preserved by a spirit/demon and deeply affected it, like what I said, these is just a new type of abomination. No it doesn’t contradict to Chantry’s understanding, but you know how possession works, in these case, the Cole who lived in a tragic life, died in horrible pain, trapped between the immaterial realm and physical world, tormented by the fate of loneliness, consumed by demonic influence and still wants to protect innocents and help this world is the real Cole who has been neglected by you, not the demon, not anything else.
He is not Zeveran, not Isabella, Fenris, Sten, Morrigan, Anders, Justice...
Cole is Cole, Cole is different and complicated.
This same list keeps coming up whenever Cole's murders come up. The actions of these people, though also reprehensible, were not murder for murders sake. I'll address them individually:
Zeveran: he was essentially an attack dog. A slave soldier. He was raised and compelled to do murder by pain of death.
Isabella: Far more bluster than bite. Selfish to the point of allowing others to come to harm, but not seeking to directly inflicting that harm. The slaves she threw overboard were a difficult choice. Save them or herself and her crew.
Fenris: Much the same as Zeveran. Even after gaining his freedom, he never kills anyone that isn't either trying to kill or enslave him. Well except the magistrates boy.
Sten: An unfortunate case of PTSD. Losing the sword isn't why he killed that family. It was losing his men. Still reprehensible, but this was obviously a bout of PTSD being exhibited under the most unfortunate of circumstances.
Morrigan: More bluster with some naivete to boot. She doesn't kill anyone that the Warden isn't also trying to kill. Even sending the Warden after Flemeth, she knows ultimately Flemeth won't die. I don't know why she keeps turning up on this list, frankly.
Anders/ Justice: This is one I consider even worse than the creature Cole. It's like comparing Jack the Ripper to Timothy McVeigh. Both are awful in different ways.
So hold up. You accept being indoctrinated as a way to not be responsible for your own actions (even though both Zevran and Fenris revel in their skills) but you don't accept psychosis as one? Or are you the guy who keeps trying to sell Cole as pure, 100% unadulterated demon?
So hold up. You accept being indoctrinated as a way to not be responsible for your own actions (even though both Zevran and Fenris revel in their skills) but you don't accept psychosis as one? Or are you the guy who keeps trying to sell Cole as pure, 100% unadulterated demon?
Cole approves helping people and helps people in Inquisition. Your information Is outdated. He does not do that anymore. We talking about Cole in scope of Inquisition where we have his transformation. And it is the person which is more positive than people in list above.Cole kills trapped people for no reason that it likes to. Demon or spirit or whatever it's called in the end, The purpose of its murders was murder. Even Anderson/Justice isn't guilty of that.
Cole kills trapped people for no reason that it likes to. Demon or spirit or whatever it's called in the end, The purpose of its murders was murder. Even Anderson/Justice isn't guilty of that.
Nope, it very specifically killed people because it thought it would fade away into nothingness if it did not. The same way Isabela put her life before dozens of slaves Cole put his before these forgotten, hopeless types. Whether or not he actually WOULD have faded away is irrelevant, what he BELIEVES is the important bit. Though to be fair this is Cole prior to his realization that he was a spirit/demon, current Cole is an unknown. I'm thinking he might be using this new empathy/helping thing of his as an alternative way to feed.
thats a bit black/whiteNope, it very specifically killed people because it thought it would fade away into nothingness if it did not. The same way Isabela put her life before dozens of slaves Cole put his before these forgotten, hopeless types. Whether or not he actually WOULD have faded away is irrelevant, what he BELIEVES is the important bit. Though to be fair this is Cole prior to his realization that he was a spirit/demon, current Cole is an unknown. I'm thinking he might be using this new empathy/helping thing of his as an alternative way to feed.
thats a bit black/white
What is?
Nope, it very specifically killed people because it thought it would fade away into nothingness if it did not. The same way Isabela put her life before dozens of slaves Cole put his before these forgotten, hopeless types. Whether or not he actually WOULD have faded away is irrelevant, what he BELIEVES is the important bit. Though to be fair this is Cole prior to his realization that he was a spirit/demon, current Cole is an unknown. I'm thinking he might be using this new empathy/helping thing of his as an alternative way to feed.
how you seem to consider him a threat. Perhaps i missed what you mentWhat is?
It knew for a fact that it would not fade away if it didn't kill. That or it killed a lot more than six people.
Why do you think that?
how you seem to consider him a threat. Perhaps i missed what you ment
Not a threat per se just not constructed purely out of otherworldly innocence as some would like to perceive him. He's... complicated.
aha i see where your coming from now lolWhy do you think that?
Not a threat per se just not constructed purely out of otherworldly innocence as some would like to perceive him. He's... complicated.
This same list keeps coming up whenever Cole's murders come up. The actions of these people, though also reprehensible, were not murder for murders sake. I'll address them individually:
Zeveran: he was essentially an attack dog. A slave soldier. He was raised and compelled to do murder by pain of death.
Isabella: Far more bluster than bite. Selfish to the point of allowing others to come to harm, but not seeking to directly inflicting that harm. The slaves she threw overboard were a difficult choice. Save them or herself and her crew.
Fenris: Much the same as Zeveran. Even after gaining his freedom, he never kills anyone that isn't either trying to kill or enslave him. Well except the magistrates boy.
Sten: An unfortunate case of PTSD. Losing the sword isn't why he killed that family. It was losing his men. Still reprehensible, but this was obviously a bout of PTSD being exhibited under the most unfortunate of circumstances.
Morrigan: More bluster with some naivete to boot. She doesn't kill anyone that the Warden isn't also trying to kill. Even sending the Warden after Flemeth, she knows ultimately Flemeth won't die. I don't know why she keeps turning up on this list, frankly.
Anders/ Justice: This is one I consider even worse than the creature Cole. It's like comparing Jack the Ripper to Timothy McVeigh. Both are awful in different ways.
Murder is murder. Those people still had family that cared about them.
Cole roamed the Spire for years before the murders started happening. So either it knew it could exist without killing, or it was killing the whole time.
Or it was still fueled by boyCole during that time. For years though? You're sure about that? When did Rhys start seeing Cole?
Cole roamed the Spire for years before the murders started happening.
That actually proves that he can exist without killing, mages stabbed to death in the cell was not something common in White Spire.
Anyway, you have a strange definition about FACT.
Murder is murder. Those people still had family that cared about them.
Fact is, we still don't know his motivation for sure.Very true. However, the Assassin had no choice, even if he says he enjoys it, the runaway slave was defending himself, the pirate was saving her crew, and the soldier was traumatised to the point of madness.
Cole wanted to kill because killing made it feel good. No other reason.
It is true, though. I have to agree. Homicide is still homicide no matter the reason; it's just as bad no matter what. It's still a selfish act that is committed for selfish purposes and reasons.
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