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[Cespar]

Very true. However, the Assassin had no choice, even if he says he enjoys it, the runaway slave was defending himself, the pirate was saving her crew, and the soldier was traumatised to the point of madness.

Cole wanted to kill because killing made it feel good. No other reason.

He killed so he wouldn't disappear(plus those people wanted to die), but that how he was at the beginning of the book. He's completely different at the end of the book. He even let that one girl escape in the Fortress, which was the sign of his changing to me.  

 

The choice is yours to judge someone on their past instead of how they'll be in the present (Inquisition.) 

[SgtSteel91]

Especially since your character probably won't know of the events of Asunder.

[Fortlowe]

Or it was still fueled by boyCole during that time. For years though? You're sure about that? When did Rhys start seeing Cole?

Well after the rumor of a ghost began circulating.

[Blackstork]

He killed so he wouldn't disappear(plus those people wanted to die), but that how he was at the beginning of the book. He's completely different at the end of the book. He even let that one girl escape in the Fortress, which was the sign of his changing to me.

The choice is yours to judge someone on their past instead of how they'll be in the present (Inquisition.)

Agree completely.
In case someone don't know we have different, transformed Cole in inquisition. And the fact that we have such Cole also manifests strength of character/personality of Cole , whatever mix of spirit/demon/child he could be. Past is past. And present what matters most. Cole killed to solve own certain problem. This puts him on same level with Sten, Isabella, Zevran and co. They also killed because their problems. But their transformations and results of their life lessons are much less inspiring that Coles's ones.

[Fortlowe]

He killed so he wouldn't disappear(plus those people wanted to die), but that how he was at the beginning of the book. He's completely different at the end of the book. He even let that one girl escape in the Fortress, which was the sign of his changing to me.  
 
The choice is yours to judge someone on their past instead of how they'll be in the present (Inquisition.)

I don't think it wanted to let her go. I think it calculated that subduing her would create problems for it.

[The Elder King]

I don't think it wanted to let her go. I think it calculated that subduing her would create problems for it.

I still think that he didn't know that he was a spirit Until the end of the book.

[Dust]

Or it was still fueled by boyCole during that time. For years though? You're sure about that? When did Rhys start seeing Cole?

"It had been nearly a year since Rhys had first seen Cole." - Asunder Chapter 4

The murder was happening during one year span.

[Sifr]

Sten: An unfortunate case of PTSD. Losing the sword isn't why he killed that family. It was losing his men. Still reprehensible, but this was obviously a bout of PTSD being exhibited under the most unfortunate of circumstances.

 

PTSD over losing his men wasn't what caused him to murder the family, Sten gave us the reason very clearly in-game.

 

For a Qunari in the Antaam, their weapons are considered part of their very soul and thus they are never meant to part with them, not until their dying breath. When Sten realises that his sword had been taken from him, the sheer cultural shock at being "soulless" and never able to return home to his people, was enough to trigger a brief psychotic break, causing him to murder them in a blind rage, until he came back to his senses and realised what he'd done.

 

While the experience was certainly stressful, Sten never shows any other signs of PTSD throughout the game when it comes to his crime, nor when he returns to the scene where his comrades were killed and he found barely alive. That to me, indicates he suffered a psychotic episode than anything else?

[Fortlowe]

I still think that he didn't know that he was a spirit Until the end of the book.

I can respect that position. Delusion, by its nature is difficult to define. The creatures delusion could be genuine, passive, and complete as you believe. It could also be active (intentional), convenient, and nebulous as I believe.

I will say, given the form it has taken (of a twenty something man) and its proximity to so much information and so many people versed on the subject of spirits, I find it difficult to believe it did not at least consider the possibility that it was a spirit. Unless, of course, it intentionally did not want to entertain the notion.

[The Elder King]

I can respect that position. Delusion, by its nature is difficult to define. The creatures delusion could be genuine, passive, and complete as you believe. It could also be active (intentional), convenient, and nebulous as I believe.
I will say, given the form it has taken (of a twenty something man) and its proximity to so much information and so many people versed on the subject of spirits, I find it difficult to believe it did not at least consider the possibility that it was a spirit. Unless, of course, it intentionally did not want to entertain the notion.

Possibly.
I guess we might learn more in DAI.

[heretica]

So your point is we should sympathize with a creature that ate a child's soul?

 

Lol, what? 

 

No, we should totally sympathize with the templars here, after all they were just doing their job, is that what you are implying?

 

In fact. I wouldn't be so quick to brand Cole as a demon. Demons don't act this way even if they were trying. They don't have complex emotions like Cole does. He's more human than some of you who support templar abuse and all that stuff.

 

/end rant

[Blackstork]

As long as Cole strives to help to ones who suffer and approves kind actions I and many others will consider positive creative honest character. How biased people can be when they see just spirit or ex-murderer in complex entity which is very constructive and positive helper in inquisition. You just can not ignore him as he is in Inquisition, because his transformation truly shows who/what he/it is. Other judgment is bs.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wait, Warden_Z, are you arguing that what happened to the real child Cole was okay, or what the Templars think of spirit Cole is okay, or both? I'm confused. Spirit Cole can be classified as a murderer, sure. I'd argue it, but I get that. I don't get the other one?

 

I'm understanding why the Templars not bothering with child cole and i am also content for Cole the current incarnation to be labeled a demon and punished for its crimes.

 

Honestly whatever it is, whatever ever it was, it has committed evil in the world should be destroyed for it.

[heretica]

 

Honestly whatever it is, whatever ever it was, it has committed evil in the world should be destroyed for it.

 

What? He didn't kill anyone, if that's what you are saying. He helped them die which is a different story. On the other hand, templars DID kill and DID abuse of someone. Should they be destroyed, following your logic? 

[Master Warder Z_]

What? He didn't kill anyone

 

He placed his blade above the throat of a Templar standing watch and slit his throat.

 

That's on top of his prior murders by the way.

[raging_monkey]

What? He didn't kill anyone, if that's what you are saying. He helped them die which is a different story. On the other hand, templars DID kill and DID abuse of someone. Should they be destroyed, following your logic?

catt i say this as a friend.. dont get him started it wont end well for any of us lol

[Master Warder Z_]

catt i say this as a friend.. dont get him started it wont end well for any of us lol

 

Blatantly being incorrect in stating something is a sure way for me to not take anything people say seriously in the future.

[heretica]

catt i say this as a friend.. dont get him started it wont end well for any of us lol

 

Lol I noticed. I will go back to "the last court" instead. Don't want to start any drama.

 

[Blackstork]

Some people just biased and love arguing . Just leave them be. Templars never been interested in helping suffering or hurt person , especially in Inquisition. The current incarnation of Cole does help and do it just for helping sake. Does it means that Cole child back and its now complex entity ? Perhaps. But templars are demons that should die, not Cole.

[raging_monkey]

Blatantly being incorrect in stating something is a sure way for me to not take anything people say seriously in the future.

true but go easy on them. Haha

[Br3admax]

Some people just biased and love arguing . Just leave them be. Templars never been interested in helping suffering or hurt person , especially in Inquisition. The current incarnation of Cole does help and do it just for helping sake. Does it means that Cole child back and its now complex entity ? Perhaps. But templars are demons that should die, not Cole.

Where to even begin...

[Master Warder Z_]

Where to even begin...

 

I'd go for the vitals in the first strike personally, i don't like drawing out debate.

 

So i'd point out the Order's Mandate exists to protect the common man from magic, a task which they have almost flawlessly succeeded in for nearly a millennia.

 

 

Following that i'd label the speculation about Inquisition a game that has not even released yet just that, and in finality just to kick the corpse down into the river.

 

I'd point out Templars are actually people.

[Liedeke]

I think that seeing things in black and white is way more dangerous than Cole...

[raging_monkey]

Great... the MT bull**** came to my last safe haven

[Br3admax]

I think that seeing things in black and white is way more dangerous than Cole...

Of course. Exactly why I don't see Cole as one way or the other.