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[Fortlowe]

I'd define it as a shade. It can manifest itself in the mortal realm without a host. It can manipulate the thoughts of its victims. It can render itself invisible. All characteristics of a Shade.

[The Elder King]

Strong words. The new body had to come from somewhere.

Indeed, I was wrong in Saying he's neither. i should've Said he might be neither.
It isn't sure he has a mortal's body.

[Lulupab]

He can literally disappear into thin air if you make certain decisions in the game, I doubt he is anything slightly related to mortal least of all having a mortal body.

[Fredward]

He would still need a body to exist before the Breach happened. 

 

Shades man, shades.

[heretica]

Indeed, I was wrong in Saying he's neither. i should've Said he might be neither.
It isn't sure he has a mortal's body.

 

Well he still has to eat, sleep etc. It's said in the book. To me that sounds like stuff mortals do.. 

[raging_monkey]

Well he still has to eat, sleep etc. It's said in the book. To me that sounds like stuff mortals do..

i still say he's a reverse hedge mage-abomination lol

[Fortlowe]

The book also says it thought it was a twelve year old boy. I think the only thing it needs to eat are people.

[heretica]

The book also says it thought it was a twelve year old boy. I think the only thing it needs to eat are people.

 

The book says he's ~20. Source ahead, click the spoiler box.

 

Spoiler

"His name is Cole.

He’s not that old, perhaps twenty years. No more. He

has blond hair that hangs in front of his eyes and wears

dirty leathers— perhaps the only clothes he owns. He was

there when you found Rhys in the templar crypt, but you

couldn’t see him. Nobody can, and those who do forget him.

Just like you are doing right now. Remember the dream"

 

pp. 313-314  Fragment of a note written by Evangeline. 

[Fortlowe]

The book says he's +20.

As you say, Catt.

Maybe the game will reconcile the characters status. I don't know. I know "Cole" said it was not Cole. I know it killed people to satisfy a desire that cannot be qualified as survival.

Perhaps the game will explain its actions and its status otherwise, like that "Cole" IS Cole and that it killed out of need instead of want.

Currently though, this is a monster that fed on a child's soul to cross the veil to eat more souls. That it is confused, lonely, and sad are not really things that change that, no matter how much I or anyone else is prone to sympathize with that condition. It's a starving deadly wild animal loose in a neighborhood at best. At worst it is a crazed methodical serial murderer.

[raging_monkey]

The book says he's ~20. 
 
"His name is Cole.
He’s not that old, perhaps twenty years. No more. He
has blond hair that hangs in front of his eyes and wears
dirty leathers— perhaps the only clothes he owns. He was
there when you found Rhys in the templar crypt, but you
couldn’t see him. Nobody can, and those who do forget him.
Just like you are doing right now. Remember the dream"
 
pp. 313-314  Fragment of a note written by Evangeline.

no older than 20 yup

[heretica]

In fact Gaider refers to him as young man throughout the book. A young man is that, a young man, no more than twenty. Already a grown up. 

[raging_monkey]

In fact Gaider refers to him as young man throughout the book. A young man is that, a young man, no more than twenty. Already a grown up.

by todays standards its 18- 24 maybe 25 lol

[Blackstork]

The thing that there more 3 pages since i last time checked this thread and it became more rediculous than it was before. The point that you can only judge someone  by his current state, because is what matters, and transformation he undergone, because it is manifestation of its  nature as whole, as one being. Templrs gone through awful transformation into murderers of innocent, and entity named Cole been able to transform himself  from malicious creature to benevolent one, one that cares about people that are being hurt more than chantry priests do, because majority do it because religion says so and because they fear of the Maker. Also judging something without relating to its Current state (and we already have Cole's current agenda, which is really honorable in the Inquisition)is completely profane thing. 

[heretica]

by todays standards its 18- 24 maybe 25 lol

 

Well, better then. He is clearly not some child that murders people like Anne Rice's Claudia. She was an adult stuck in the body of a child. But Cole is none of that. He's a deeply troubled young man. 

 

Further reading on Cole: http://www.dragonage...er-profile-cole

 

As official as it gets, first hand source, said by Patrick Weekes:

 

" He can still make people forget him, but he's no longer the scared young man who couldn't stand against Seeker Lambert in Asunder.He knows he's more than human, and he is absolutely deadly when faced with foes who want to hurt innocent people " 

 

Whatever he was before.... COLE IS NOW PART OF THE INQUISITION.

 

(lol had to do it, soooorrry)

Modifié par Catt128, 08 novembre 2014 - 08:37 .

[Blackstork]

Well, better then. He is clearly not some child that murders people like Anne Rice's Claudia. She was an adult stuck in the body of a child. But Cole is none of that. He's a deeply troubled young man. 

 

Further reading on Cole: http://www.dragonage...er-profile-cole

Yeah, seems people who are arguing here never read this article.

[raging_monkey]

Well, better then. He is clearly not some child that murders people like Anne Rice's Claudia. She was an adult stuck in the body of a child. But Cole is none of that. He's a deeply troubled young man. 
 
Further reading on Cole: http://www.dragonage...er-profile-cole

i love you cause you know mrs rice XD
I love her such a beautiful character truely a person who had a unrequited love but ohh god im going to my bookshelf and later taking out my old vcr and watching interview of the vampire XD

[Liedeke]

Here, have a tiny Cole.

[Cespar]

The thing that there more 3 pages since i last time checked this thread and it became more rediculous than it was before. The point that you can only judge someone  by his current state, because is what matters, and transformation he undergone, because it is manifestation of its  nature as whole, as one being. Templrs gone through awful transformation into murderers of innocent, and entity named Cole been able to transform himself  from malicious creature to benevolent one, one that cares about people that are being hurt more than chantry priests do, because majority do it because religion says so and because they fear of the Maker. Also judging something without relating to its Current state (and we already have Cole's current agenda, which is really honorable in the Inquisition)is completely profane thing. 

This.

 

The inquisitor isn't going to know about Cole until he reveals the information himself. People who didn't read the book or know much about Cole will treat him as any other potential ally, because he isn't going to be the exact same. A lot of people here are close-minded, so Cole will always be that murderous spirit, even if he wants to help all good living things. 

 

I'm not against the templars, but I'm not with the mages either. People let those two group or any group suck them into this persona that ties into that organization. 

[Gothfather]

The ends on result Cole pow is much more creative, positive and humane than the outcome and final transformation for any of those guys listed above. Morrigan been selfish to the bone and Cole as he is in inquisition selfless and tries to help not for "I helped" statement but for helping sake. The end result we have in inquisition and things he approves and disapproves is the person we should rely as DA:I Cole. He is better than any unesponsible selfish people of this list. Your judgment is biased, Fortlowe, at very least.

Cole is slightly sadistic, he isn't this I just want to help people persona you have invented.

 

Spoiler

try to read the last scene in asunder without letting the fact that the victum is Lambert bias you. Cole toys with him, he's not efficient and kind in killing someone he think has to die to keep his friend safe its filled with phychological sadism. And everything is implied as to what happens to lamberd. Its masterfully written but this is not the cole that just want to help people. Its a truer revelation of who cole is and we see he knows damn well who he is, this mean he played Rhys, he was pretending not to know who and what he is. He lets Rhys think he was the boy cole who with no training became a hedge mage. he KNOWs that isn't true he knows boy cole died in those cells. He knows he isn't boy cole so what is his motivation for decieving Rhys?

 

All coles actions are dictated NOT by his desire to help people but to fill his needs. He kills people not because he wants to help them, he only seeks these people who want to die when he feels he is about to "die". That isn't him motivated by kindness that him motivated out of fear. The girl in the at the fortress isn't saved because Cole wants to be nice it done because cole is lonely and his desire NOT to alienate his one friend Rhys keeps him from killing. Again he doesn't see the girl and go oh lets be kind to her and save her its... "Hmm should I kill her or not? No I wont kill her because my friend will be upset and he'll not be my friend and i'll be alone again" Not taking an action because the fear of the consequences is very different from not taking the actions becaues doing so is wrong. Cole is selfish, every act he preforms is motivated by his own desires he never once does something for other people. He defends Rhys not because he is kind and selfless but because he fears losing his friend as this would mean he will be alone again.

 

This makes him a very intresting character but it doesn't make him a nice guy.

[Uirebhiril]

Cole is slightly sadistic, he isn't this I just want to help people persona you have invented.

 

That's how his writer for Inquisition describes him, and while it might be accurate to say it's a persona he invented it's also then correct to say it's an accurate description of it.

[Gothfather]

This.

 

The inquisitor isn't going to know about Cole until he reveals the information himself. People who didn't read the book or know much about Cole will treat him as any other potential ally, because he isn't going to be the exact same. A lot of people here are close-minded, so Cole will always be that murderous spirit, even if he wants to help all good living things. 

 

I'm not against the templars, but I'm not with the mages either. People let those two group or any group suck them into this persona that ties into that organization. 

I agree reading Asunder has forever biased my view of cole but its NOT becaues I'm closed minded. Its because I have relevant information about the RECENT past of cole. I wish I never read Asunder before Inquisition because it has coloured my view of cole. i wish I was ignorant of Cole. It is why I think Asunder was a terrible book to have been publish in the spring of 2014 it would have been a GREAT book to be published in the spring of 2015.

 

Just because people are judging Cole by the information from the book isn't them being closed minded it is them using INFORMATION to formulate and INFORMED opinion that is the opposite of closed minded.

[SgtSteel91]

I agree reading Asunder has forever biased my view of cole but its NOT becaues I'm closed minded. Its because I have relevant information about the RECENT past of cole. I wish I never read Asunder before Inquisition because it has coloured my view of cole. i wish I was ignorant of Cole. It is why I think Asunder was a terrible book to have been publish in the spring of 2014 it would have been a GREAT book to be published in the spring of 2015.

 

Just because people are judging Cole by the information from the book isn't them being closed minded it is them using INFORMATION to formulate and INFORMED opinion that is the opposite of closed minded.

 

Then get rid of that informed opinion because the Inquisitor took no part in the events of Asunder.

[Gothfather]

That's how his writer for Inquisition describes him, and while it might be accurate to say it's a persona he invented it's also then correct to say it's an accurate description of it.

Thats really your stance? As I recall the decription of Anders before DA2 was not that he was a zealot but that he had a strong moral position on the treatment of mages. Why did they mislead people like this? (strong moral position is VERY different from Zealot, Its difference in degree not kind but it is a difference and VERY important one) Anything more would have ruined the shock of Anders blowing up the chantry. Most people did not see it coming. Offically describing anders a Zealot would not have served the game so they took "licence" in their descriptions. I think the words used to describe cole have been VERY calculated because of the fact we are trying to kill every demon we see in the game.

 

[Speculation]

Cole is very much more than they are describing. I would be VERY surprised if cole was nothing more than a spirit posessing a young boy become man. I could be wrong but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't know why people think the evidence in Asunder is trumped by material that is designed as promotional material to get people to buy the game.

[heretica]

INB4 COLE IS JUST AN AGENT OF THE ELDER ONE.

 

You heard it here first. 

[WazzuMan]

You know I'm seeing a lot of people draw to conclusions about Cole that I don't share, so I went back to the last few pages of Asunder to see how much room for interpretation there is and I found the answer to be quite simple. It is in fact one I've pointed out in other books as well. Perspective.

The book is written from the view points from multiple characters in the book, people trying to classify what Cole is based on their existing knowledge of mages, spirits and demons and what they have observed of Cole. But none of them had the full story, even Rhys' final thoughts were coloured by Lambert telling him there was no Cole, which Cole claims wasn't true. Most of the assumptions drawn here are by characters in the book itself to keep people guessing but as Evangeline and Rhys said themselves at the end is we should abandon assumptions about what we know and what established lore tells us.

Anyway, I don't think Cole was purposefully deceiving anyone, it was mentioned at one point the spirits entering the world tend to be confused. I think Cole merely adopted the young Mage Cole's identity to help him deal with the new reality of his existence and eventually convinced himself he was. I don't know that but that is my interpretation.

Ultimately, I say it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter he's killed people before, I'd take issue with half the companions if that were the case. It doesn't matter he may be a demon. If Shepard can work with Cerberus and Geth and the Warden can work with Zevran and Loghain, then the Inquisitor can set aside their assumptions and personal feelings to find an unexpected friend. Generally though, I work by a simple rule that can work in real life as well as games like this to everyone's benefit: you come to me with a clean slate. I don't care who you were five minutes ago or what everyone thinks of you, what matters is what we do now. Whether you wrong me and my people or you help us accomplish our goals, you will be treated accordingly, based on your actions, not who you are.