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#5476
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Thats really your stance? As I recall the decription of Anders before DA2 was not that he was a zealot but that he had a strong moral position on the treatment of mages. Why did they mislead people like this? (strong moral position is VERY different from Zealot, Its difference in degree not kind but it is a difference and VERY important one) Anything more would have ruined the shock of Anders blowing up the chantry. Most people did not see it coming. Offically describing anders a Zealot would not have served the game so they took "licence" in their descriptions. I think the words used to describe cole have been VERY calculated because of the fact we are trying to kill every demon we see in the game.

 

 

My comment had nothing to do with any stance. It was just clarifying the point that Cole's writer described him as wanting to help others, and not "invented" by anyone. Whether he turns into another Anders is something we will soon find out. As a player, I'm curious about who and what Cole is, and where his story will take him. As a character, I won't have any clue what he did in his past and can only judge based on what he does now -- just like the other companions. If he turns out to be the evil betraying brother of the Maker, fine. It's no shame for me to have been "tricked" by a character in a video game. Who cares in the end as long as the story was entertaining? :P


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#5477
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Cole is slightly sadistic, he isn't this I just want to help people persona you have invented.

 

Spoiler

 

This makes him a very intresting character but it doesn't make him a nice guy.

No, you the one who inventing Cole. Read Uirebhiril comments, they answer your posts well. Author is one who stated who is Cole, and what he up to. You should read more of Inquisition material, and should stop making your own Coles inventions. The final side from our (my) side is to refer to him how he looks in Inquisition, after his transformation. Because the whole complex could describe the entity/persona. What is matters who he/it is now, and what kind transformation it /he made. He did transformed himself from something malicious into something benevolent, while templars gone opposite. If you understood something else from that post, you understood utterly wrongly.

again, please read BioWare interview, Cole's profile on NEWS thingy on DA:I site, and different leaks from gameplay. Cole transformed, he is not one who you saw in Asunder, there new things to him, and only proper way to judge him is to consider his ending point at which we can see him as Inquisitors in DA:I. 

PS> And i am sure that if you will try to read/re-read OP post of this thread now, this will contribute to your next post contents. There some valuable information and  stuff coming from Authors/BioWare. You should check it and consider it in your judgements and in remarks to posts of other people. 

Cheers


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#5478
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*Snorts in contempt*

 

(I literally did that)

 

Gaider wrote Cole out to be an unsociable, malicious killer.

 

Weekes can pretty him up all he wishes, it doesn't change the past, it doesn't erase the wrong, it doesn't bring those people back to life.

 

Perhaps my Inquisitor won't judge him for past misdeeds, but as a person and a fan of the series, who knows what i do from additional content?

 

I will most certainly judge him for past deeds, people have no complaint for doing it with Anders, Adrian, Loghain or any dozens of other characters, cole is no exception to the rule.


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*Snorts in contempt*
 
(I literally did that)
 
Gaider wrote Cole out to be an unsociable, malicious killer.
 
Weekes can pretty him up all he wishes, it doesn't change the past, it doesn't erase the wrong, it doesn't bring those people back to life.
 
Perhaps my Inquisitor won't judge him for past misdeeds, but as a person and a fan of the series, who knows what i do from additional content?
 
I will most certainly judge him for past deeds, people have no complaint for doing it with Anders, Adrian, Loghain or any dozens of other characters, cole is no exception to the rule.

pretty reasonable lol

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*Snorts in contempt*

 

(I literally did that)

 

Gaider wrote Cole out to be an unsociable, malicious killer.

 

Weekes can pretty him up all he wishes, it doesn't change the past, it doesn't erase the wrong, it doesn't bring those people back to life.

 

 

Yes, it doesn't bring those make-believe people back to life.

 

:huh:

 

Chill dude, they have said you are not forced to recruit him.


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The entire point of Cole, as I've read him, is not that he's good or bad, spirit or demon, human or other. It's that he straddles all those things and complicates what those terms mean. You can argue him being just a murderer or just an innocent , but IMO, it's not really interesting to do so.

What will be interesting to see is how he defines himself in the middle of all those contradictions and uncertainties and how characters react to that...as well as how you as the Inquisitor deal with him.

I mean, my approach is not really one that favors either/or arguments, but this is especially a case where it seems lacking.
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#5482
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Yes, it doesn't bring those make-believe people back to life.

 

:huh:

 

Chill dude, they have said you are not forced to recruit him.

 

Oh i probably will end up taking him into the fold at least on the first few runs strictly from curiosity.

 

But beyond that? It's a two way street, people can not clamor to defend a character by citing past deeds aren't valid because of a "transformation". While at the same time claiming that because of the transformation only positive aspects remain.


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#5483
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I was going to not recruit cole for the whole "Murder" thing.

However.....he is not anywhere that beyond what we normally have in the party.

 

Zevran was a contract killer.

Isabela was a pirate

Leliana was a bard

Sten killed an entire family

 

Some of our followers are not exactly saints, so I will be giving Cole a chance.


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No, you the one who inventing Cole. Read Uirebhiril comments, they answer your posts well. Author is one who stated who is Cole, and what he up to. You should read more of Inquisition material, and should stop making your own Coles inventions. The final side from our (my) side is to refer to him how he looks in Inquisition, after his transformation. Because the whole complex could describe the entity/persona. What is matters who he/it is now, and what kind transformation it /he made. He did transformed himself from something malicious into something benevolent, while templars gone opposite. If you understood something else from that post, you understood utterly wrongly.

again, please read BioWare interview, Cole's profile on NEWS thingy on DA:I site, and different leaks from gameplay. Cole transformed, he is not one who you saw in Asunder, there new things to him, and only proper way to judge him is to consider his ending point at which we can see him as Inquisitors in DA:I. 

PS> And i am sure that if you will try to read/re-read OP post of this thread now, this will contribute to your next post contents. There some valuable information and  stuff coming from Authors/BioWare. You should check it and consider it in your judgements and in remarks to posts of other people. 

Cheers

 

And now I am even more confussed about why you people can't accept why people don't like him. I have ALWAYS said he's an intresting character but give what we learn about him in Asunder i can't view him as a nice guy. EVEN the bloody writer accepts this is a perfectly reasonable reaction.

 

[PW]: Cole remains a work in progress, yes. Anyone who allows him to join the Inquisition (and because there are people whose response to him in Asunder was, "Demon? LOL NOPE," allowing him to join is optional)

 

Even Weekes understands why people just don't trust or like the guy and he doesn't cage it as closed minded or uninformed. He Clearly acknowledges that reading asunder is going to put cole in a VERY negative light with some readers.

 

Some of us are going to come to a very logical conclusion of not seeing cole in a sympathetic light. It simply amazes me that somehow we have to like him to think he is an intresting or valuable character to DA:I. Valueable as in adds to the experience. I am going to destroy or send him back to the fade (if possible) on my first play through. Later as I explore other aspects of the game and want new content i'll delve into the intresting twists and turns of his story. This isn't Cole hate this is I know what demons did in the past games of DA and i am not allowing a demon into the walls of the inquisition when we are fighting a demon invasion.

 

I have zero problem with people wanting cole as their go to guy, I'm just amazed at the backlash at people who don't like the most controversial companion in DA:I. I always let loghain join the Wardens because that was what wardens do they take criminals and give them a chance at redemption. I NEVER once got upset at someone who said NOPE not on my Watch he is dead. Yet I  don't think cole is a nice guy and I am being closed minded? Come on.

 

People could have engages the conversation by asking if we planned to explore his story in the future, people could have asked what aspects of cole we did find intresting, but NOPE people had to defend their position of liking the guy because someone how us not "liking" the guy was a threat. And its was presented in such a manner that no rational, open minded person could actually think cole was an untrustworthy demon.


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#5485
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I will call it PARTIALLY good intention, he was deluded, no excuse, but I kinda understand why. This ghost psychologic condition is quite extreme and alienated, some people just won’t get it, that’s fine. But don’t mess up the REAL FACTS and REASONABLE LOGIC with your biased prejudgment, it’s merely irrational speech without actual debate-able values.

 

The fact is, so far, that we still have no conclusion about who he is or what he is, this level of zeal is pointless.


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The fact is, so far, that we still have no conclusion about who he is or what he is, this level of zeal is pointless.


So far only Cole defenders have offered any level of zeal.

So unless if your speaking to them your sort of basically admitting to the above argument.
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No, there was just a reason, calm posts w/o caps from defenders which all say that's Cole should be judged as it appears in inquisition, combined with his current transformation. He is complex. And he shows great deal of improvement. That's all.
You ones who try to flame blame and post biased views., and try to convince people that he is worst demon character in inquisition with utter zeal, even when lots of people stated that Cole is not just Cole from Asunder.
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#5488
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Cole seems interesting and I want to get to know him in Inquisition. Plus Varric is using Bianca and Sera is using Bows so I need someone who can use the daggers I'm sure to pick up.

 

Or I can have Cole and Sera switch weapons. How weird would that be, Cole using a bow and arrow in combat?



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Cole seems interesting and I want to get to know him in Inquisition. Plus Varric is using Bianca and Sera is using Bows so I need someone who can use the daggers I'm sure to pick up.

 

Or I can have Cole and Sera switch weapons. How weird would that be, Cole using a bow and arrow in combat?

 

Finally, a change of topic. I was wondering at what point between Asunder and Inquisition did Cole learn to fight using dual daggers and bows?



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No, there was just a reason, calm posts w/o caps


Dust just used caps.

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Dust just used caps.

He was just mimicking Gothfather. :)

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He was just mimicking Gothfather. :)


Right.

They both used caps on one word.

Doesn't seem much of a base anyway.

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He was just mimicking Gothfather. :)

 

Right.

They both used caps on one word.

Doesn't seem much of a base anyway.

I LOVE CAPS, THEY LOOK SO CLASSY. ;)



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I LOVE CAPS, THEY LOOK SO CLASSY. ;)

 

It also gives off the feeling you're yelling at people. It's why some forums actually have rules against it. 


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It also gives off the feeling you're yelling at people. It's why some forums actually have rules against it. 

Then here are my sincere apologies. 


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Then here are my sincere apologies.

THAT WAS VERY POLITE OF YOU :P

#5497
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*pops in, hoping to find a bunch of new opinions on Cole*

*Sees same old argument*

*Leaves*


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Well I'm having a bit of a dilemma.
I want my Inquisitor to be a rogue, and I'm thinking that she and Sera might make a good couple. However, I'm really interested in Cole's character, so I want to have him in the party a lot too.
But that means that I have *three* rogues in the party - I can always play on easy, but the issue is when I need to use a warrior to bash or a Mage to energise.
*sulks*

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Well I'm having a bit of a dilemma.
I want my Inquisitor to be a rogue, and I'm thinking that she and Sera might make a good couple. However, I'm really interested in Cole's character, so I want to have him in the party a lot too.
But that means that I have *three* rogues in the party - I can always play on easy, but the issue is when I need to use a warrior to bash or a Mage to energise.
*sulks*

They do not go well together. Just have 2 rogues which is great setup. For all things mages/ fade/demons take Cole, for thugs/urban stuff take Sera. For two rogues in party you will need support mage and main tank_ where 2 rogues are DPS. This means Cole or Sera/Solas/Cassy or Blackwall setup. Viv will conflict with both Cole and Sera, they are three members of Team talking, but not with each other.
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Finally, a change of topic. I was wondering at what point between Asunder and Inquisition did Cole learn to fight using dual daggers and bows?

 

Also confuses me. Shouldn't he still be a Mage since the original was a Mage? I mean being a Spirit-type Rogue sounds way more badass, but I guess it has something to do with when he started killing people and just decided to stick to daggers.

 

Edit: Ah I forgot, Cole was never trained as a Mage, duh.