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[The Elder King]

Does the choice of making him more human affects His stealth mode? I really liked that he looks different in it from Varric and Sera.

[Addai]

I prefer the spirit side because what Varric says sounds like he wanted to possess someone. Not only is that an uncomfortable thought, according to Cole's own words it's not actually why he came at all. OTOH, in Val Royeux seeing him run around tending to the petty insecurities of spoiled rich folk was kind of depressing.

[SgtSteel91]

Really, there isn't a 'wrong' choice when it comes to this quest. Both still hit the beats of 'Cole deals with his issue, he is happier for it, he won't be in danger of being binded, and he still wants to help people' but are very different paths. It's all up to the player and what their beliefs are when making this decision.

 

I really like this dilemma.

[Liedeke]

I agree with SgtSteel91, there is no wrong choice. At least I think so.

I tried both now, and both are good. I just prefer the human path because, well, he seems more human and I'm human. I recognize more in Cole that way. But him being more of a spirit is good as well. loved both, preferred one.

[Clockwork_Wings]

The first time I did it, I was afraid if I made him more human, something bad would happen.  He's not human, he's a spirit, and Justice shows what happens when too much human emotion goes into an otherwise noble concept.  Not sure I broke even when I made him human, but maybe we'll get an answer in DA4.

[Liedeke]

With Justice an actual human has influenced him, an angry and vengeful human (I still love Anders though). Justice had possessed Anders.

Cole is just Cole, not sure what exactly he is but I'm sure he hasn't possessed anyone. He just is himself.

[Yermogi]

I think... I think this time I'll influence him to be a Spirit. In the next playthrough, he'll be more human.

 

I don't want to deprive a Spirit of being a Spirit. That wouldn't be right. As Solas says, there are so many evil spirits- demons- in the world. There is no shortage of them. The good ones- Faith, Hope, Peace, Joy, Love, Wisdom, Knowledge, Compassion, these are so much more rare. The world cannot afford to lose even one.

 

But Cole could do so much as a more human spirit... I just don't know. I love Cole as Cole, but I don't want to turn him into something that he isn't.

[Precursor Meta]

Cole reminds me of that scrawny weird kid I stood up for in highschool.

[Faerah]

I was trying to think of a good way to describe how I feel about Cole's human/spirit choice and I think I finally found a good analogy.

 

So spirit!Cole is all well and good. He seems like he's happier and you're returning him to his natural state. But on the other hand...

 

Human!Cole seems a lot like EDI in my opinion. Gaining sentience was a tumultuous and confusing time. EDI killed the soldier's in the training facility because she thought she was under attack and in serious harm. Cole came through the Veil to help real!Cole but was left behind. After that he was confused and going down the dark path of becoming a demon, thinking he needed to kill to stay alive.

 

After all is said and done though, would you return EDI to a simple training VI? That was her original function, that would be "her" in her pure state but it would pale in comparison to her potential as an AI. As an AI she can have her own opinions and learn, becoming more "human" along the way. It's basically the same scenario with Cole, to me at least. I think I simply prefer the idea that Cole can evolve when becoming more human.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I finally seem to be getting party banter, and I'm starting to love Cole even more now, haha.

 

Spoiler

 

Cole: I think I have it.

Varric: Alright kid, let's see what you've got.

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Who's there?

Cole: Cole.

Varric: ...Cole who?

Cole: It's me, Cole. That is my name.

Varric: No no, you're still not getting it. Sorry, kid.

 

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Okay, I'll bite. Who's there?

Cole: The Inquisition! 

Varric: The Inquisition who? 

Cole: That's who we are!

Varric: Yeah, that's not working either.

 

Varric: Alright, try it again, you'll get it.

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Who's there?

Cole: Me.

Varric: ...me who?

Cole: Me...and I'm telling a knock knock joke.

Varric: That was...closer. Keep trying.

 

 

I love these two so much. 

[Addai]

After all is said and done though, would you return EDI to a simple training VI? That was her original function, that would be "her" in her pure state but it would pale in comparison to her potential as an AI. As an AI she can have her own opinions and learn, becoming more "human" along the way. It's basically the same scenario with Cole, to me at least. I think I simply prefer the idea that Cole can evolve when becoming more human.

Who says being human is preferable? I know it's sort of the conventional, mermaid wanting to be human kind of story- but I think that's one reason I prefer the other.

About Cole's banters: The ones with Vivienne are kind of hard to listen to, but he deflects her barbs every time. It's kind of awesome.

[Faerah]

Who says being human is preferable? I know it's sort of the conventional, mermaid wanting to be human kind of story- but I think that's one reason I prefer the other.

About Cole's banters: The ones with Vivienne are kind of hard to listen to, but he deflects her barbs every time. It's kind of awesome.

If it were up to Cole's preference, he'd probably end up a demon if left to his own devices. He did want to actually kill the templar after all, which I assume if that was an option it'd lead to demon!Cole. He's happy and grateful for your decision either way, so it ends up being your personal preference I guess. There's nothing wrong with spirit!Cole, it just kind of feels like the saying "ignorance is bliss" to me. Happiness, but at what cost? If you play through the human side, he gets excited about finally being able to understand and learn new things. It just feels like it has more potential this way to me is all.

[Milan92]

I finally seem to be getting party banter, and I'm starting to love Cole even more now, haha.

 

Spoiler

 

Cole: I think I have it.

Varric: Alright kid, let's see what you've got.

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Who's there?

Cole: Cole.

Varric: ...Cole who?

Cole: It's me, Cole. That is my name.

Varric: No no, you're still not getting it. Sorry, kid.

 

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Okay, I'll bite. Who's there?

Cole: The Inquisition! 

Varric: The Inquisition who? 

Cole: That's who we are!

Varric: Yeah, that's not working either.

 

Varric: Alright, try it again, you'll get it.

Cole: Knock knock.

Varric: Who's there?

Cole: Me.

Varric: ...me who?

Cole: Me...and I'm telling a knock knock joke.

Varric: That was...closer. Keep trying.

 

 

I love these two so much. 

 

Team Varric/Solas/Cole is one of my favorites.

[Milan92]

I was trying to think of a good way to describe how I feel about Cole's human/spirit choice and I think I finally found a good analogy.

 

So spirit!Cole is all well and good. He seems like he's happier and you're returning him to his natural state. But on the other hand...

 

Human!Cole seems a lot like EDI in my opinion. Gaining sentience was a tumultuous and confusing time. EDI killed the soldier's in the training facility because she thought she was under attack and in serious harm. Cole came through the Veil to help real!Cole but was left behind. After that he was confused and going down the dark path of becoming a demon, thinking he needed to kill to stay alive.

 

After all is said and done though, would you return EDI to a simple training VI? That was her original function, that would be "her" in her pure state but it would pale in comparison to her potential as an AI. As an AI she can have her own opinions and learn, becoming more "human" along the way. It's basically the same scenario with Cole, to me at least. I think I simply prefer the idea that Cole can evolve when becoming more human.

 

I've made Cole more human twice now in my playthroughs, so I'll choose the other option in my next.

 

It really does sound like there is no right choice here, just what you personally prefer and how you view things.

[Aisynia]

"An old name burns inside armor that shouldn't fit, lit by faces of children he couldn't save."

 

^What's he talking about?

[Mikka-chan]

"An old name burns inside armor that shouldn't fit, lit by faces of children he couldn't save."

 

^What's he talking about?

 

Some people theorized it could be Blackwall.

 

Other people theorized it's a reference to the anime Full Metal Alchemist.

[Aisynia]

Some people theorized it could be Blackwall.

 

Other people theorized it's a reference to the anime Full Metal Alchemist.

 

Knowing both, I would go with Blackwall, I think it fits better.

[Cerulione]

Hullo, does anyone know who Cole refers to when he said "Old Pains. Shadows forgotten from dreams too real. This side is slow and heavy. But here is what can change." ???

[Milan92]

Maybe some of you could explain something for me.

 

I was listening to Cole/Blackwall banter on YT and I came across a scenario of where Cole actually kills the templar when you allow him to have revenge.

 

When I told Cole he could have his revenge he couldn't kill him in the end.

 

Does anybody know what made that happen? Does it depend on approval?

[Mikka-chan]

Cole just gave me a horrible line, though I didn't write it down.

 

Spoiler

He described blood, 'Dalish' dead beside him, 'he has to come', and finished with Horn's Up.

 

This was after I'd taken the Qun route in Iron's Bull's quest.

 

Is Cole digging in to the memories of one of the dead of IB's band, or is IB having nightmares where he's Krem (probably) waiting to be saved and it never happened?  Either way, it's horrible.

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

Hullo, does anyone know who Cole refers to when he said "Old Pains. Shadows forgotten from dreams too real. This side is slow and heavy. But here is what can change." ???

Have you completed Cole's personal quest yet? I got this line after I did, and my theory is that it might refer to

Spoiler

Cole himself if he becomes more human. "This side" would refer to this side of the Veil, the real world, which is painful but lets Cole learn and grow.

But it could be something else. You never know wiith Cole's cryptic remarks.

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

Maybe some of you could explain something for me.

 

I was listening to Cole/Blackwall banter on YT and I came across a scenario of where Cole actually kills the templar when you allow him to have revenge.

 

When I told Cole he could have his revenge he couldn't kill him in the end.

 

Does anybody know what made that happen? Does it depend on approval?

I've heard that too. There's another reference to it in a banter with Cole and Solas where Cole says "I will help the hurting and kill the killers." It seems like a much darker path, and as far as I know it's not actually a possible scenario. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that.) Perhaps it's just some dialogue left in the files for an alternate end to the quest that doesn't appear in-game?

[Faerah]

Maybe some of you could explain something for me.

 

I was listening to Cole/Blackwall banter on YT and I came across a scenario of where Cole actually kills the templar when you allow him to have revenge.

 

When I told Cole he could have his revenge he couldn't kill him in the end.

 

Does anybody know what made that happen? Does it depend on approval?

If it's the same video I just listened to, it might be datamined from the files. The Sound quality seems really clean, no background ambient noises. It might not be an option available to us in the game. But I'm not really sure...

[Xilizhra]

I was trying to think of a good way to describe how I feel about Cole's human/spirit choice and I think I finally found a good analogy.

 

So spirit!Cole is all well and good. He seems like he's happier and you're returning him to his natural state. But on the other hand...

 

Human!Cole seems a lot like EDI in my opinion. Gaining sentience was a tumultuous and confusing time. EDI killed the soldier's in the training facility because she thought she was under attack and in serious harm. Cole came through the Veil to help real!Cole but was left behind. After that he was confused and going down the dark path of becoming a demon, thinking he needed to kill to stay alive.

 

After all is said and done though, would you return EDI to a simple training VI? That was her original function, that would be "her" in her pure state but it would pale in comparison to her potential as an AI. As an AI she can have her own opinions and learn, becoming more "human" along the way. It's basically the same scenario with Cole, to me at least. I think I simply prefer the idea that Cole can evolve when becoming more human.

That'd imply that spirits were somehow less than human, as opposed to just different. Spirits adapt as well, just in different ways. The whole "turning Cole human" thing strikes me as anthropocentrism.

[Dust]

The thing is, benevolent Spirits are rare indeed, but a spirit like Cole who can physically and even mentally become a human is unique. I love Solas, but he is not perfect, his experience and knowledge formed a stereotype that made him forget that Cole is different, Cole is more than a common compassion. However this time, a child of stone like Varric viewing Cole as Cole himself, without any labels, is even more open minded than Solas. I could understand why Solas wanted to simplify Cole, why he worried that the suffering of being a human could led him to astray. But I also believe that Cole is much more stronger and determined than Solas believed, he can overcome this by growing and learning in a human way, not by simply forget and be numbed in a spirit way.

 

btw, i got banter between Cole and Sera today (my banter bugged in my first play through), i just know that she is not detest him, she's just a mundane girl who is not comfortable with the thing that is too complicated to understand. She even called him "him" in the end, and i think she was actually enjoy playing words game with Cole.