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[Wolfen09]

 

 

iron bull tries to get cole laid... lol

[Milan92]

If it's the same video I just listened to, it might be datamined from the files. The Sound quality seems really clean, no background ambient noises. It might not be an option available to us in the game. But I'm not really sure...

 

It was datamined.

 

I guess its possible they cut that from the game itself, but that its still available in the files.

[Addai]

The thing is, benevolent Spirits are rare indeed, but a spirit like Cole who can physically and even mentally become a human is unique. I love Solas, but he is not perfect, his experience and knowledge formed a stereotype that made him forget that Cole is different, Cole is more than a common compassion. However this time, a child of stone like Varric viewing Cole as Cole himself, without any labels, is even more open minded than Solas. I could understand why Solas wanted to simplify Cole, why he worried that the suffering of being a human could led him to astray. But I also believe that Cole is much more stronger and determined than Solas believed, he can overcome this by growing and learning in a human way, not by simply forget and be numbed in a spirit way.

Cole is still unique even if he remains more spirit, and he doesn't really forget what happens- he resolves it. It's just a matter of how you resolve it. I don't consider one superior to the other, just different sides of the same being.

[Wheels]

Hello Cole Thread. I just came here to say that I love Cole. He *might* even be my favorite character in the whole franchise by now.

It's fascinating to listen to him... Amazing writing

[Xilizhra]

The thing is, benevolent Spirits are rare indeed, but a spirit like Cole who can physically and even mentally become a human is unique. I love Solas, but he is not perfect, his experience and knowledge formed a stereotype that made him forget that Cole is different, Cole is more than a common compassion. However this time, a child of stone like Varric viewing Cole as Cole himself, without any labels, is even more open minded than Solas. I could understand why Solas wanted to simplify Cole, why he worried that the suffering of being a human could led him to astray. But I also believe that Cole is much more stronger and determined than Solas believed, he can overcome this by growing and learning in a human way, not by simply forget and be numbed in a spirit way.

 

btw, i got banter between Cole and Sera today (my banter bugged in my first play through), i just know that she is not detest him, she's just a mundane girl who is not comfortable with the thing that is too complicated to understand. She even called him "him" in the end, and i think she was actually enjoy playing words game with Cole.

Why is being a human inherently superior to being a spirit?

[Yermogi]

Why is being a human inherently superior to being a spirit?

I don't believe it's superior personally... but Cole became a human to help others and ease their suffering. The issue is, that in order to help humans, you have to be able to understand them, to relate to what they're going through. A Spirit cannot do that. They are not human, nor do they think like humans. This is the main reason why Cole went around killing mages in the White Spire instead of trying to help them through their issues. He believed that he truly was helping them overcome their pain, i.e., being compassionate. Rhys had to explain to Cole why that was wrong before he understood. Cole is unique among spirits because, in his human form, he has the opportunity to help humans AS a human, to understand their minds so that they overcome their  problems in a way that doesn't make them forget, and instead encourages them to grow.

 

I do not have a problem going either way. Solas's thoughts on the matter make complete sense- Cole is a Spirit. No matter how much he may emulate a human, he isn't one. It would be wrong to change Cole's nature and cause him to be more human, because that goes against what he was created for. But Varric also has a point- Cole wanted to become a human, so let him BE one. Either way works very well for story purposes.

[Dust]

Why is being a human inherently superior to being a spirit?

I was not saying that one is superior to the other, I was saying that coming to this world and being a human is more like his choice, a choice that I will respect & support. If there is a way to follow his mind without denying anything he holds then I will take it. He is more than a human indeed, but his nature could be even more complex than a common spirit. Cole has this potential to grow and learn in a mundane world, then we should trust him and let him be. As for Spirit nature, they represent pure virtues of this world, I love them too. But I believe knowledge itself is pure, belief as well, so things like faith and wisdom are perfect containers for spirits. However resolving pain is never that unworldly, it might take time or even take risks, but the painstaking is why it will truly works, and why it worth the efforts.

[Addai]

I was not saying that one is superior to the other, I was saying that coming to this world and being a human is more like his choice, a choice that I will respect & support. If there is a way to follow his mind without denying anything he holds then I will take it. He is more than a human indeed, but his nature could be even more complex than a common spirit. Cole has this potential to grow and learn in a mundane world, then we should trust him and let him be. As for Spirit nature, they represent pure virtues of this world, I love them too. But I believe knowledge itself is pure, belief as well, so things like faith and wisdom are perfect containers for spirits. However resolving pain is never that unworldly, it might take time or even take risks, but the painstaking is why it will truly works, and why it worth the efforts.

But he didn't come to be human. That's not what he says, it's what Varric says. To me it felt more like Varric's wish than Cole's.

[Sports72Xtrm]

But he didn't come to be human. That's not what he says, it's what Varric says. To me it felt more like Varric's wish than Cole's.

It's not all about Cole however. What of the templar who he made forget that he killed a young boy? That event changed him just as it did the spirit. With out that guilt, would the templar be as compassionate to mage boys in the future if he didn't learn from that event? He eased his pain, but he doesn't change if he's made to forget. Spirits I've been told are spirits because they seek something more than just instant gratification. Shouldn't spirits aspire to change lives instead of providing temporary comfort?

[Zyrxi]

So, I finished the game today and have a question

 

Spoiler

In the final fight against Corypheus, if you take Cole he says something like 'how dare you bring a demon before me, I will control it' etc, and then in the epilogue Cole says that he felt Corypheus trying but that it didn't work because of the amulet (I went with spirit, by the way), so I was wondering, if you don't do his personal quest but you do take him to the final fight, does Corypheus turn him against you? 

[Kisari]

So, I finished the game today and have a question

 

Spoiler

In the final fight against Corypheus, if you take Cole he says something like 'how dare you bring a demon before me, I will control it' etc, and then in the epilogue Cole says that he felt Corypheus trying but that it didn't work because of the amulet (I went with spirit, by the way), so I was wondering, if you don't do his personal quest but you do take him to the final fight, does Corypheus turn him against you? 

Spoiler

I think if you dont do his story quest he wont be available to pick at all. His card will get "x" over it and you wont be able to bring him.

[Addai]

It's not all about Cole however. What of the templar who he made forget that he killed a young boy? That event changed him just as it did the spirit. With out that guilt, would the templar be as compassionate to mage boys in the future if he didn't learn from that event? He eased his pain, but he doesn't change if he's made to forget. Spirits I've been told are spirits because they seek something more than just instant gratification. Shouldn't spirits aspire to change lives instead of providing temporary comfort?

The templar had already left the order because of his guilt. There was no point in living under that burden forever. Cole doesn't make people forget the events of their lives, just his intervention. He explains that he shakes loose the "pearl of pain," which I interpret to be the mental and emotional traps that people are caught in that lead them to fixate on useless agony. That does change them, at least in regards to that one trauma.

Spoiler for Clan Lavellan war table quest.

Spoiler

Since I got the result that the clan was wiped out, my explanation for why my Inquisitor didn't break into pieces is that she gave permission for Cole to help her. I like that so much that I'm going to keep it, despite the oddity that no one around her comments on the outcome.

[Sports72Xtrm]

The templar had already left the order because of his guilt. There was no point in living under that burden forever. Cole doesn't make people forget the events of their lives, just his intervention. He explains that he shakes loose the "pearl of pain," which I interpret to be the mental and emotional traps that people are caught in that lead them to fixate on useless agony. That does change them, at least in regards to that one trauma.

Spoiler for Clan Lavellan war table quest.

Spoiler

Since I got the result that the clan was wiped out, my explanation for why my Inquisitor didn't break into pieces is that she gave permission for Cole to help her. I like that so much that I'm going to keep it, despite the oddity that no one around her comments on the outcome.

Either Cole made him forget an integral part of his past that he could use to learn from or he made the templar numb to the death of the young boy he left to die as if to be callous to his accountability to the suffering of another. Either way, it seems wrong to me. Pain does have a purpose for mortals, to teach something- like being burned by fire teaches them not to touch fire. It isn't useless agony. Spirit Cole doesn't understand that, more human Cole would. If Isabela did not feel guilt about her past, would she have saved those slaves she was transporting? I don't think so. As Isabela says, "Are mistakes make us who we are."

 

Most of the time, cole plays therapist by helping people rationalize and come to term with their pain. In this case, he just erases it like magic. People shouldn't deal with trauma like that.

[Faerah]

After choosing human, this is how Cole describes spirits.

 

Inquisitor: "What's the difference between you an a spirit now?"

 

Cole: "Spirits are...they just are. Most of them sense something that interests them and stick to it. They don't remember much. It keeps them pure, but it also keeps them from learning, from growing. I wanted to help people, but I only knew enough to do it in the simplest way. Now I can see more. I also want to hit people a lot. Varric is helping with that."

 

After choosing spirit, Cole forgets/"lets go" of what happened to the original Cole. He refers to that knowledge/experience as "shackles" and that he's free now. He also "washes clean" of current unsavory things he has to do, like killing venatori or bandits. He makes himself forget so he can be clean/free of the shackles.

 

Either way, he gains something that's good for him. Human side: he can comprehend and learn. Spirit side: he can let things go, be free of them to return to the Fade if he desired. One isn't better than the other if you think about them objectively. It's a difficult choice that he should technically be making about himself, not us. But since this is a game of choice, it would obviously fall to us. So it's all up to personal preferences and morals in the end. There's no right answer.

[Liedeke]

Did Cole's personal quest again in my second run, both ways to compare them again, now I'm sure why I prefer the human path.

It's that little smile when you talk to him after, so worth it (for me at least).

[Xilizhra]

I think that the ultimate reason I want to keep Cole as a spirit is that the world already has enough flawed humans; having a pure spirit around, willing and able to actually do good in the physical world is far, far rarer.

[Dust]

I got the full text document of DAI, I’ve been working on retrieving Cole’s banter, Cole & Blackwall comes first. Enjoy!

Spoiler

• Cole: So many masks. 
• Blackwall: At the ball? It's Orlesian culture, get used to it. 
• Cole: Not at the ball. Here. 

───────

• Cole: "Mockingbird, mockingbird, quiet and still, what do you see from the top of that hill? Can you see up? Can you see down? "
• Blackwall: Wait...
• Cole: Can you see the dead things all about town? 
• Blackwall: How do you know that song? 
• Cole: It just came to me. Everyone says everyone knows it. The children knew it. 

───────

• Cole: How do you get the hair on your face? 
• Blackwall: Look, ask Varric. He seems to have adopted you. 
• Cole: He doesn't have have hair on his face. Is it a mask? 
• Blackwall: No it's a beard. Look, if you were any other lad your age I'd tell that one day you'll probably grow one too, except I don't know if spirits that become boys get beards. 
• Cole: I could try. 
• Blackwall: Right. You go do that then. Good luck. Have fun. 

─────── 

• Cole: We played by the fire so she would be warm. No, it's summer, Liddy. 
• Blackwall: This thing you do? Maybe you should stop doing it. 
• Cole: Got her flower but they'd taken her. Left it on her bed. Next eight on the sill. 
• Cole: Tourney sands. A garden seat. Five to Chantry altars. One to a child with her hair. The sea? Too many to count. 
• Cole: And thirty-six. Tossed off the battlements today. 
• Blackwall: Go bother Solas. 
• Cole: You have many feelings. 
• Cole: I'm sorry she died. 

─────── 

• Cole: Your knife is big.
• Blackwall: [Snickers] It's a sword.
• Cole: It's bigger than mine. 
• Blackwall: And now you've made it awkward. 

─────── 

• Blackwall: How does a spirit become flesh anyway?
• Cole: I don't know. How does a Warden become Grey?

─────── 

• Blackwall: You know, Cole, you're not so bad. But I'll never get used to the things that come out of your mouth.
• Cole: There was once a man who had bees coming out of his mouth?
• Blackwall: A perfect example.

─────── 

• Blackwall: What are you staring at?
• Cole: Your head. So many tangles. Knots. And that's just on the inside.
• Cole: You need a hairbrush.

─────── 

• Blackwall: Hey, Cole. Say something interesting.
• Cole: "Something interesting"?
• Blackwall: Yes, I deserved that one.

─────── 

• Cole: When you charge at them, you make them hit you.
• Blackwall: Ideally. That's why my armor's heavier than yours.

─────── 

• Cole: Golden, graceful, glittering but not gaudy. Voice delicate and delectable. 
• Blackwall: What are you talking about, Cole? 
• Cole: Sweet, soft, silky. Her dress, and also under her dress. Are you going to talk to Josephine? 
• Blackwall: Maker's balls, get out of my mind, would you? You make me sound like a dirty, old bastard!
• Cole: Do you want to hear what she thinks of you?
• Blackwall: No.
• Cole: You should.

─────── 

• Blackwall: They say you're a demon.
• Cole: Yes. Or spirit. I want it to be spirit.
• Blackwall: Either way, I know you're dangerous.
• Cole: Yes. Like you.
• Blackwall: What?
• Cole: A sack on the side of the road, struggling. The boy runs from it, crying.
• Blackwall: Fine, so you're dangerous and insane.

─────── 

[If not romance Blackwall.]

• Cole: You would stop it if you could. That is enough. But don't do it again.
• Blackwall: Why are you here? Do you even understand what's happening in the world?
• Cole: I heal the helpless, give hope where there is hurt.
• Blackwall: But you've killed before.
• Cole: Yes. Before I knew what I was.
• Blackwall: Why should we believe you can help now?
• Cole: It hurts too much, I can't be me, have to be someone who never killed.
• Cole: Help enough and I'm different, I'm not me. Believe it to become it.
• Blackwall: Maker's balls！
• Cole: We can change, if we want it enough.

─────── 

• Blackwall: Tell me, Cole, how do you make them forget you?
• Cole: I'm not really real. They already want to forget me.
• Cole: I find the part that doesn't fit and set it free. Their mind makes a shape that makes sense without me.
• Blackwall: That's not right.

[After Blackwall's inner circle quest.]
─────── 

• Cole: I'm sorry you have to stay. It wouldn't work for them. You were trying to fix it. It isn't your fault.
• Blackwall: What isn't my fault?
• Cole: They wanted Blackwall, not Rainier. That's why the others are angry.
• Blackwall: Angry? Really? I thought I was just imagining all the frowning faces. Care to tear into me as well, now that you know?

─────── 

• Blackwall: You, who heal the helpless... you're not angry about what I was hiding?
• Cole: You never hid from me.
• Cole: "Mockingbird, mockingbird." Too many voices in the carriage. Maker, they're young.
• Cole: If I tell my men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie. Cold, trapped, heart hammering like axes on a carriage door.
• Blackwall: Stop. Please.

─────── 

• Blackwall: Cole, if you knew what I am, what I'd done, why didn't you tell the others?
• Cole: Everyone hides dead things. Everyone pretends. You wanted to fix it.
• Blackwall: I'm a murderer.
• Cole: You don't want to be. You made a new you. You are Blackwall. You killed Rainier.
• Blackwall: If only that were possible.
• Cole: You would stand between Rainier and the carriage. But you can't. It doesn't work like that.
• Cole: So you carry the bodies to remember.
• Blackwall: I suppose I do.

[After Cole's inner circle quest. -Spirit Cole]
─────── 

• Blackwall: I hear you found the templar that killed you.
• Cole: Yes. His hurt is healed. So is mine.
• Blackwall: Just like that? How do you forgive someone who does that to you? 
• Cole: He was frightened. The other templars were older. He didn't know what to do.
• Cole: Afraid of them, afraid of me, can't face it, lock it away and pretend it wasn't real.
• Cole: He fled far away, tried to forget, to be someone new.
• Blackwall: He deserved to be punished.
• Cole: He was.

─────── 

• Blackwall: This templar who hurt you... you made him forget?
• Cole: Yes. He knows he left the templars, but I'm not there. He just knows they made him someone he didn't want to be.
• Blackwall: Why did you do that? You shouldn't have taken that from him.
• Cole: Why?
• Blackwall: Taking away a bad memory is one thing. Taking away guilt is another. Without that guilt, it's as though he never killed you.
• Cole: Isn't the world better that way?
• Blackwall: I... I don't know.

─────── 

• Cole: I understand. Making the templar forget what he did to me is like making you forget Rainier.
• Blackwall: I... Yes. Perhaps.
• Cole: My pain was his pain. It made the amulet not work. We both had to let it go.
• Blackwall: But now he doesn't remember what he did. 
• Cole: Isn't me not hurting more important than him being punished?
• Blackwall: [Sighs.] We are a pair, you and I. The victim and the murderer. If it helps you, lad, then I am glad you forgave him.

─────── 

• Cole: You think that if you forget, you will become like that again. But you're not him. You have other things to carry. You can put the bodies down.
• Blackwall: Thankyou.

[After Cole's inner circle quest. -Human Cole]
─────── 

• Blackwall: I hear you found the templar that hurt you. 
• Cole: Yes. I tried to kill him. I thought it would fix it, fix me. 
• Blackwall: Did it? 
• Cole: No. But I'm more real now. I'll remember. 
• Blackwall: Good. Remembering is the only way you learn. 
• Cole: It hurts. 
• Blackwall: It does. 

─────── 

• Blackwall: So now that you've dealt with the templar, you're a real boy?
• Cole: Realer.
• Blackwall: Good enough. I suppose you'll stop looking into people's heads soon? And you might want to look into, I don't know, eating.
• Cole: Blech.
• Blackwall: Oh, are we at that stage? Spitting everything up? At least you've mastered walking.
• Blackwall: Soon you'll be eating properly. Then drinking. Then drinking for real. Then girls.
• Cole: You know a lot about girls.
• Blackwall: You're supposed to stop looking in my head.

─────── 

• Blackwall: What do you think your templar is doing now? Trying to make a new life for himself?
• Cole: Stop. It isn't about you.
• Blackwall: What?
• Cole: Callier. His family. His children. You wonder if some part of them watches you still. 
• Cole: You wonder if they want you to feel guilty, if they want you to make up for what you did... but they don't.
• Cole: If they're watching, all they want is not to have died. It isn't about you.
• Blackwall: [Sighs.] We are a pair, you and I. The victim and the murderer.

 

Well, despite how I agree with Cole should be a human. I have to admit spirit Cole did a great job on giving solace to Blackwall. Human Cole did it in a much harder and colder way, though.

[Faerah]

So I just noticed there is a third part of the Cheese and mint thing of "Odd Things". Starts in the kitchen, then by the bar in the tavern, and the third part is back in the kitchen. OP updated. Not really sure how I didn't find that until now.

[Dust]

 

Spoiler

• Cassandra: If you are to fight alongside us, Cole, I expect you to follow orders.
• Cassandra: The Inquisitor believes you wish to help, but I will not allow you to threaten innocents.
• Cole: Yes. Help the hurt, save the small. If I become a demon, cut me down.
• Cassandra: Do not doubt me. I will do it.
• Cole: Good.
• Cassandra: You're... serious, aren't you?
• Cole: Yes. I hope you are, too.

 

───────

• Cole: You're a better Seeker than Lambert. You care about everyone.
• Cassandra: You knew Lord Seeker Lambert?
• Cole: I killed him. He cared more about stopping mages than protecting people.
• Cassandra: You killed the Lord Seeker.
• Cole: Pathetic mages. Crush them at Andoral's Reach or starve them out. Doesn't matter which.
• Cole: I need an example, Seekers succeeding, seizing power. Overthrow the Divine, triumphant in the eyes of the Maker.
• Cassandra: I... am uncertain whether to believe you.
• Cole: You believe I killed him.

 

───────

• Cassandra: Cole, do you have any proof about what you claim Lord Seeker Lambert did?
• Cole: I was there. I didn't need proof.
• Cassandra: But he could have been brought to justice. There are rules...
• Cole: He used rules to hurt people. He always found a way to be right, even when he killed my friend.
• Cassandra: You had a friend?
• Cole: A pretty templar. She died protecting Rhys and me, but she got better.
• Cassandra: I... don't even want to know what that means.

 

───────

• Cassandra: Cole, you killed Lord Seeker Lambert so he wouldn't hurt people.
• Cole: Yes. Thank you for remembering. Sometimes people forget me.
• Cassandra: Is that why you went to Therinfal?
• Cole: Most sounded the same, but the leaders they listened to were hurt, hollowed, sick with a new song.
• Cole: They swallowed lies until they sang with darker music. The sound hollowed them.
• Cole: I wanted them to stop me if I harmed people, but I had to stop them instead.
• Cole: Oh, wait. You had a question.
• Cassandra: Perhaps we should think of something more... pleasant.
• Cole: Like helping people?
• Cassandra: Yes, like that.

 

───────

• Cole: Oh. That makes more sense.
• Cassandra: Why do you look at me when you say that?
• Cole: You found faith, not just a feeling. It was a spirit.
• Cassandra: We do not need to speak of this further.
• Cole: I'm a spirit that touched a body, you're a body that touched a spirit. We're the same but backwards!
• Cassandra: Please, stop.

 

───────

• Cole: It's you, Cassandra.
• Cole: Breathing from the belly, cold air warmed, stones beneath me, candle before me, Maker all around.
• Cole: Then nothing, empty, I'm cut, cauterized, then caught, cleansed by a light that carries me home.
• Cole: You're thinking backwards. You don't have faith because of the spirit. The spirit came because of your faith.
• Cole: It's you.
• Cassandra: Thank you, Cole. I appreciate that.

 

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[After Cole's inner circle qusest -Spirit Cole]

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• Cassandra: So, Cole, I understand you are safe from binding now.
• Cole: Yes. I am unbound, unbowed, old wounds unbroken.
• Cole: I can be me, no fear of falling.
• Cassandra: Fear of falling?
• Cole: Anthony falls, blood spraying, not the blood they wanted. If a scream were a blade, revenge would be easy.
• Cole: You didn't fall, but you faltered. Anger makes you other. You understand.
• Cassandra: Perhaps I do at that.

 

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• Cassandra: What the templars did to you, to the real Cole... I knew the treatment was harsh, but...
• Cole: Yes. Beatings, worse. "Do you remember telling me no? You can't do that now. The Tranquil don't say no to anything."
• Cassandra: Maker's breath!
• Cole: Not all, but enough. The good templars were too afraid to stop the others.
• Cassandra: Whatever happens in the future, there will be changes to how templars and mages govern themselves.
• Cassandra: The Inquisition may have a say in such changes. I... would appreciate any insight you might have.
• Cole: Compassion and faith. Not all, but a start. I can help. I can try.

 

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• Cole: You're sad about the Seekers.
• Cassandra: That takes no magical gift to understand, Cole.
• Cole: The room with the candle. It wasn't a lie. Your faith was real.
• Cassandra: The same could be said for Lambert or Lucius. A single moment of perfect faith does not make one immune to fault.
• Cole: Belly knotted, the candle burns like the sun. No voice but my own for months. "Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter."
• Cassandra: "Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just."
• It will be enough.

[After Cole's inner circle qusest -Human Cole]

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• Cassandra: So, Cole, you've forgiven the templar who... killed you?
• Cole: I don't know if I'll ever forgive him. But I can live with him.
• Cole: Killing him won't make anything better. It's more complicated than that.
• Cassandra: I think that's the first time I've heard you admit <i>anything</i> is complicated.
• Cole: I don't understand all of it. I'm trying.

 

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• Cassandra: What the templars did to you, to the real Cole... I knew the treatment was harsh, but...
• Cole: There were beatings, worse than beatings. "If you tell anyone, I'll say you used blood magic."
• Cole: Not all templars were like that. But not enough could stand up to the ones who were.
• Cassandra: Whatever happens in the future, there will be changes to how templars and mages govern themselves.
• Cassandra: The Inquisition may have a say in such changes. I... would appreciate any insight you might have.
• Cole: You'd take advice from a demon?
• Cassandra: I'll take it. I'm not promising to follow it.

 

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• Cole: I was wrong to kill Lambert, wasn't I, Cassandra?
• Cassandra: What made you change your mind?
• Cole: I can see more. I could have helped the rebel mages. I could have warned someone.
• Cole: Things are connected, tied in a tangle. Fixing one thing might break something else.
• Cole: How do you do it?
• Cassandra: I try, but don't always succeed. You do your best, and have faith it will turn out as it should.
• Cole: I was never a spirit of faith, but thank you. I will try to be more like you.
• Cassandra: You may regret that notion, but I wish you well.

 

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• Cassandra: So, Cole, Varric tells me you were a spirit of compassion.
• Cole: Yes.
• Cassandra: How does compassion become such a deadly killer?
• Cole: Templars.
• Cassandra: Ah. I'm truly sorry.
• Cole: Don't be. You and Cullen care. That's more than most.

 

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• Cole: Voices sing, but the hawk has flown away and cannot hear them. Standing by the door, legs stuck. I shouldn't be here.
• Cole: Where is his sister? Is she crying? Can she breathe? I couldn't breathe. Pain twists, but for which one?
• Cassandra: I knew the story more than I knew the woman.
• Cole: It isn't your fault he died. 
• Cassandra: Perhaps not. Sometimes knowing that isn't enough.
• Cole: Can you know it more?
• Cassandra: Be easy, Cole. I will be fine.

 

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• Cole: The frame holds, hand at the waist gently moves as body and thought spiral.
• Cassandra: Cole!
• Cole: Notes drip through the air. (Hums.)
• Cassandra: That's... not the song they were playing.
• Cole: Yes, but that's your favorite song.

 

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• Cole: Where would the Inquisition go?
• Cassandra: What do you mean?
• Cole: The Wardens wanted to help, but they hurt people instead. You would have sent them away, Cassandra.
• Cassandra: I believe it may have been safer, but we cannot know for certain.
• Cole: If the Inquisition stops helping, where would we go to keep people safe from us?
• Cassandra: We must pray that it never comes to that.
• Cole: Prayer isn't a place. It would not save them from us.
• Cassandra: The Wardens fell. The Inquisition need not follow suit.
• Cole: The Wardens thought the same. So did the templars.
• Cassandra: Then we must be vigilant.

 

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• Cole: Warden-Commander Clarel wasn't like you, Cassandra.
• Cassandra: Thank you, Cole... I think. I never met Clarel, but I will take that as a compliment.
• Cole: She fell because she fell. That's how Erimond convinced her to hurt people. He made it look like bravery.
• Cole: She called it a choice, but it was a lie. She was afraid.
• Cole: You aren't afraid. You won't fall.
• Cassandra: Thank, you, Cole. I appreciate that.

 

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• Cassandra: What of Magister Erimond? Do you sense a secret pain in him?
• Cole: No. Erimond is an *******.
• Cassandra: (Laughs.) Well said.

 

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• Cole: Shield catches the blow, blade comes down, shiver through the hilt as it cuts. Another bandit falls.
• Cole: A good strike, Lucius would have been proud. The bandit's eyes meet mine as he falls, so afraid. Such a waste.
• Cassandra: Please leave my mind, Cole.
• Cole: You don't need to feel bad.
• Cassandra: I do not feel bad. The bandits needed to die.
• Cole: Not that. You feel bad for being proud of it.
• Cole: You couldn't help the bandits. Some people have to die. Being happy for your skill doesn't make you cruel.
• Cassandra: Thank you... I suppose.

 

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• Cole: Do you ever take off your armor and talk to it?
• Cassandra: No.
• Cole: It might say something nice.

 

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• Cassandra: What is it, Cole? Why the odd looks?
• Cole: Light pastry with blueberries, sticky on your fingers. Small hands reaching as Anthony tears his in half. 
• Cole: But when you got to the kitchen, they were all gone.
• Cassandra: Ah, yes. They are delicious, but do not last long.
• [Human Cole]
• Cole: I would get you one, but they see me in the kitchen now. They ask if I want a glass of water, a piece of bread. They want to help me. It should be the other way'round.
• Cassandra: Sometimes it's difficult to accept the kindness of others, but it can be worth the effort.
• [Spirit Cole]
• Cole: I could get you one. The cooks don't see me.
• Cassandra: Just because they don't see you doesn't mean it isn't theft.

 

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• Cole: Your elbow made him smile.
• Cassandra: Who are you talking about?
• Cole: The blacksmith's apprentice. He repaired the armor. He was too shy to ask if you were satisfied.
• Cole: He saw you smile as you tested the joint. It made him happy.
• Cassandra: It was fine work. I will remember to thank him when we are back at Skyhold.
• Cole: My elbows don't make anyone smile.

 

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• Cole: You don't like dead people, Cassandra.
• Cassandra: Was that a question? Am I supposed to?
• Cole: The ones in the dark city. Wrapped in cloths that smell like sunflowers. You hated the singing.
• Cassandra: Ah, the Grand Necropolis. Yes, I never saw the point.
• Cole: Maybe dead people like the singing.
• Cassandra: I would rather not think about that.

 

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• Cole: Your uncle misses you, Cassandra.
• Cassandra: No. He wrote you a letter. There was pain on the page.
• Cole: Stop going into my quarters. How many times must I tell you?
• Cole: No. He wrote you a letter. There was pain in the page.
• Cassandra: Stop going into my quarters. How many times must I tell you?

 

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• Cassandra: Cole, I found a locket on my pillow earlier...
• Cole: It was Anthony's.
• Cassandra: It was my grandmother's, actually, but it had Anthony's portrait inside. I thought I'd lost it.
• Cole: You did lose it. I had to fight a rat for it.
• Cassandra: Oh? Thank you.
• Cole: He wasn't a very big rat.

 

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• Cole: Cassandra, who's... Regalyan?
• Cassandra: No one to concern yourself with.
• Cole: You were thinking about the time you—
• Cassandra: Now I'm thinking about something else. Can you guess?
• Cole: My hat wouldn't fit there...

[Hobbes]

So, I finished the game today and have a question

 

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In the final fight against Corypheus, if you take Cole he says something like 'how dare you bring a demon before me, I will control it' etc, and then in the epilogue Cole says that he felt Corypheus trying but that it didn't work because of the amulet (I went with spirit, by the way), so I was wondering, if you don't do his personal quest but you do take him to the final fight, does Corypheus turn him against you? 

I've been wondering that myself, it was definitely an interesting outcome, I'm curious how else it can turn out.

 

I have to say though, after finally finishing game, that I really enjoyed Coles character.  I loved watching him grow and change and the guidance you could offer him along the way, it was great.  His character really does have a lot of heart.

Lots of hugs for Cole.

[Kisari]

I've been wondering that myself, it was definitely an interesting outcome, I'm curious how else it can turn out.

 

I have to say though, after finally finishing game, that I really enjoyed Coles character.  I loved watching him grow and change and the guidance you could offer him along the way, it was great.  His character really does have a lot of heart.

Lots of hugs for Cole.

I already answered this exact quote, but if you don't do his personal quest Cole will not go to the final battle. His card get's an "x" over it. At least I'm like 80% sure of this.

[Hobbes]

Ahh, yeah I did read that, but I thought it was perhaps speculation.

It would makes sense at the very least, otherwise Cole could get in a lot of trouble lol.

[Kisari]

Ahh, yeah I did read that, but I thought it was perhaps speculation.

It would makes sense at the very least, otherwise Cole could get in a lot of trouble lol.

Oh I guess it's mostly an educated guess as people in other parts of the forum have mentioned they ignored Cole and couldn't bring him to the final battle. My game crashes too much for me to make a new playthrough to test this out honestly though.

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I've noticed there aren't as many options to off party members this time(I think Blackwall is the only one?) so I'm wondering if they are trying to lessen complications in future games/cameos?

[Faerah]

Not sure how often this happens to other people...but it happens to me all of the time. Cole is too powerful with his Shadow Strike.

[Liedeke]

Not sure how often this happens to other people...but it happens to me all of the time. Cole is too powerful with his Shadow Strike.

He is obviously helping it.

 

This hasn't happened here. Other strange things, yeah, plenty. Like Cole pushing my inquisitor off cliffs and killing goats for no apparent reason.

But the strange things do seem to happen with Cole more than with the others...