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[Addai]

I could see compassion turning into vengeance. The reason I figured he'd become Despair is because that was his greatest fear according to the Fade "cemetery" stones. The despair demon codex also sounds a lot like what happened in the Spire with the mage murders.

[Korva]

Yes, and given how Cole talks about not becoming a demon "again", he probably was more despair than compassion then. Though he apparently never fully lost himself if he killed these poor sods as the only way he -- confused by shock over the real Cole's death, his own new part-mortality, and being fractured from his nature -- could perceive as helping them.

 

In extreme circumstances other than this murderous rage at his "killer", I'd definitely see him as most likely to break into despair, too. I don't really want to think too much about it.

[Pasta]

Have you read Asunder? It would help you understand his back story more. If you are interested, I could help you with simple editing. Don't worry so much about English not being your primary language. Personally, when I write, I write for myself. You don't have to please others if it makes you happy. 

Oh wow.. you rock! XD I haven't read Asunder in detail yet, and currently the fanfic is still in planning. I'm jotting down moments and plot in random before starting it. It will take a while though, as I'm still not finished drawing a fanart of my Inquisitor featuring Cole as Rogue Brothers

 

I planned the story to take place after Cole became more human, and the girl protagonist having a secret identity. I think it would be too much work to write a story with multiple choices (eg. if Cole became more spirit, if the Inquisitor asks them to break off their infatuation, and also depending on the Final Choice the Inky made, etc) but it has soooo much possibilities!

 

Phew x_x

[Chenoah]

Oh wow.. you rock! XD I haven't read Asunder in detail yet, and currently the fanfic is still in planning. I'm jotting down moments and plot in random before starting it. It will take a while though, as I'm still not finished drawing a fanart of my Inquisitor featuring Cole as Rogue Brothers

 

I planned the story to take place after Cole became more human, and the girl protagonist having a secret identity. I think it would be too much work to write a story with multiple choices (eg. if Cole became more spirit, if the Inquisitor asks them to break off their infatuation, and also depending on the Final Choice the Inky made, etc) but it has soooo much possibilities!

 

Phew x_x

I had considered doing the same thing myself but I usually start things and don't finish so I figured I wouldn't bother. A while back I started one for my Dragonborn and Rumarin ( a character introduced by the mod interesting npc's. He is fantastic!) But I never finished it. As is with most things I write unless it is a class assignment I am forced to finish haha. So I would love to read yours and offer advice if you'd be interested. Good luck!

[MisterJB]

"Get down from the War Table, Cole

You're right, I shouldn't be here. I'm not a war."

 

Stop being so precious, Cole. I can't properly dislike you for killing Lambert like this. We should have met you in the Marsh, this would nonsense could have been avoided.

[Korva]

I'll ask this question here, not the latest thread about the big choice during Cole's personal quest:

 

Solas and Varric have a rather odd relationship, occasionally rocky due to Solas' obsession with the past contrasted by Varric's contentment to live for each day and Blight take "tradition", occasionally almost cordial -- especially when poking fun at humans together. But the issue on what's best for Cole, there's obviously a deep divide. Varric is obviously dejected if you let Solas resolve the situation, while Solas at least tries to see something good in Cole's development if Varric gets his wish. Oddly, there's no banter between the two afterwards. How deep do you think the divide goes? Would they try to resolve it on their own accord or avoid the issue? I'd definitely expect Cole himself to get involved since he's very close to both. Poor little guy, friends arguing over you isn't fun, and that's without taking his hyperactive empathy into consideration.

[thats1evildude]

I actually think that Envy is the opposite of Compassion.

[Maria13]

Are there any theories on some of Coles most obscure words, in particular, to Solas "... but they shouldn't have made it human, it hurt her."

 

Seems to be describing an incarnation, but whose? Morrigan and OGB comes to mind, not that I ever thought of it like that...

[Addai]

Are there any theories on some of Coles most obscure words, in particular, to Solas "... but they shouldn't have made it human, it hurt her."

 

Seems to be describing an incarnation, but whose? Morrigan and OGB comes to mind, not that I ever thought of it like that...

Cole appears to sometimes talk about movie and TV plots and this one is supposed to be the movie The Prophecy. Though I think it could also refer to Andraste being the OGB of Dumat.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Thought I'd stop by to let all the Cole fans know, he is beating Josephine, Varric, Blackwall, Iron Bull and I think  few others in the  "who is the best looking companion/adviser poll.

 

It's a good day for Cole.

[RobRam10]

Thought I'd stop by to let all the Cole fans know, he is beating Josephine, Varric, Blackwall, Iron Bull and I think  few others in the  "who is the best looking companion/adviser poll.

 

It's a good day for Cole.

Was there ever any doubt?

[Ieldra]

I just got the banter where Cole says "Erimond is an assh*le". LOL, coming from him, that has weight.

And.....how does it happen this thread gets hidden on page 8? Cole's far too fascinating a character for that!

[Cespar]

I just got the banter where Cole says "Erimond is an assh*le". LOL, coming from him, that has weight.

And.....how does it happen this thread gets hidden on page 8? Cole's far too fascinating a character for that!

He makes people forget. Cole banter with everyone is really fascinating, especially Cole/Cassandra or Cole/Dorian. 

[Ieldra]

He makes people forget.

Perfect answer!

[Korva]

I just got the banter where Cole says "Erimond is an assh*le". LOL, coming from him, that has weight.

 

It does, doesn't it? And it makes Cassandra chuckle, which is a rare feat.

 

There are definite moments where his line is crossed. When I took him to the elven tomb in Emerald Graves and we found the first group of enemies, he said, "Venatori. Hungry, hateful, ready to hurt people. And they're afraid. They should be." I hear he also reacts very badly when you discover what the oculara are ... but I have been unable to find the spot in Redcliffe, maybe it goes away after In Your Heart Shall Burn?

 

Speaking of Cass and Cole, the person who made the banter collection videos for youtube has a neat screenshot of them here:

 

http://danaduchy.tum...st/109319495379

 

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The sight of these two dearest friends of hers makes my Inquisitor smile like nothing else.

[robertmarilyn]

It does, doesn't it? And it makes Cassandra chuckle, which is a rare feat.

 

There are definite moments where his line is crossed. When I took him to the elven tomb in Emerald Graves and we found the first group of enemies, he said, "Venatori. Hungry, hateful, ready to hurt people. And they're afraid. They should be." I hear he also reacts very badly when you discover what the oculara are ... but I have been unable to find the spot in Redcliffe, maybe it goes away after In Your Heart Shall Burn?

 

You can still enter that building after Your Heart Shall Burn.  When you enter Redcliff, keep walking straight, along the dock, until you get to the building with the locked door. It will be to the right of where you spoke with Conner (if you spoke to him). It's past and to the left of the Dwaven merchant. 

[Addai]

I just got the banter where Cole says "Erimond is an assh*le". LOL, coming from him, that has weight.

And.....how does it happen this thread gets hidden on page 8? Cole's far too fascinating a character for that!

We fangirl about him regularly in the Solas thread. It's sort of post economy, I guess.

 

Like I posted this shot over there. Cole backstabbing the backstabber, while my poor girl is an ice block.

 

[Korva]

Oi, you folks should post that sort of thing here. Solas and his thread get enough attention as it is.

 

Poor Cole looks pretty "chill" in that shot, too, but I see that's not stopping him.

[MWImexico]

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This dialogue in the Fade always makes me think to Cole. I suppose that his "more spirit" version is well aware of that and that he can adjust his behaviour toward the people he tries to help but it's still feel uncomfortable somehow.

[Korva]

If you make him more of a spirit, he has something to say about that during the "dinner" in Val Royeaux -- and his confidence in that scene was a welcome contrast and conclusion to his post-Adamant panic about being like the Nightmare and becoming a demon again, as well as his earlier insecurity about not always "doing it right". The Nightmare steals pain to make itself stronger at the expense of others, Cole soothes pain without wanting anything in return.

 

Though given his unfortunate past, I do think it must do him (all three "aspects" of him) a world of good to have at least some people who truly know him, remember him, treasure him and are grateful for what he is and does. Compassion does not expect much less demand gratitude, and probably worries about it being a burden or shackle to people (as in "I owe you a debt for helping me"), but this particular embodiment of compassion has been confused and hurt enough that a warm, relieved, heartfelt "Thank you!" likely gives him a much-deserved measure of peace and confidence in himself.

[MWImexico]

...The Nightmare steals pain to make itself stronger at the expense of others, Cole soothes pain without wanting anything in return.

It's complicated, I'm more interested in the result of his actions on the long run than in his momentaneous intent. But I understand that, since his intent is not selfish/evil,etc. he will logically seek to create a positive outcome for the people he tries to help.
But I still wonder if it's true : if without fear, pain and failure people cannot grow and learn? I suppose that it's a generalite and that concretely the practice of relieving the pain of people could also provide "good" results, like for the people for whom the alternative could mean "be and stay broken the rest of your life". But what about the persons around this person? Sometimes when observing a tragedy, people wishes to react, they learn and try to correct the origin of the problem (instead of the symptom). I suppose that everything will depend on Cole's ability to analyze the situation and on his faculties of judgment.

[Addai]

It's complicated, I'm more interested in the result of his actions on the long run than in his momentaneous intent. But I understand that, since his intent is not selfish/evil,etc. he will logically seek to create a positive outcome for the people he tries to help.
But I still wonder if it's true : if without fear, pain and failure people cannot grow and learn? I suppose that it's a generalite and that concretely the practice of relieving the pain of people could also provide "good" results, like for the people for whom the alternative could mean "be and stay broken the rest of your life". But what about the persons around this person? Sometimes when observing a tragedy, people wishes to react, they learn and try to correct the origin of the problem (instead of the symptom). I suppose that everything will depend on Cole's ability to analyze the situation and on his faculties of judgment.

Cole doesn't remove people's memories, except of himself. He accelerates the natural healing process in situations where it otherwise would fester uselessly. It's like physical healing. The body always heals itself, but you can give it conditions that help or hinder that process. That's how I understand Cole's descriptions of what he does, anyway.

I don't think it's fair to say someone should consider to suffer so that others can profit from it. Others may, but to unnecessarily prolong that when there's something you could do to alleviate it is just cruel.

[Korva]

Addai explained it before I could, yes. The physical healing analogy is very apt. Cole is like an EMT who scrapes you off the street, sets your broken bone and puts a cast on it, gives you a painkiller and maybe something for the shock, all the while reassuring you that you'll feel better soon and heal up cleanly.

 

On a related note, this analogy made me think ... if spirits of compassion are among the ones who aid "spirit healer" mages, could Cole -- especially as more-a-spirit -- possibly bolster healing magic too? Maybe, on his own, help people with physical pain or falling asleep? Aside from the first scene at Skyhold with the dying soldiers, we see him take care of mental/emotional wounds, but he can feel what's physically wrong with people, too.

[MWImexico]

...I don't think it's fair to say someone should consider to suffer so that others can profit from it. Others may, but to unnecessarily prolong that when there's something you could do to alleviate it is just cruel.

Really I didn't meant it like that It's more that I wonder about the causes and consequences in that type of scenarii. I'm not saying that "people should consider to suffer so that others can profit from it", and I'm also pretty sure that wasn't what the spirit of Justinian was implying.

[Addai]

Addai explained it before I could, yes. The physical healing analogy is very apt. Cole is like an EMT who scrapes you off the street, sets your broken bone and puts a cast on it, gives you a painkiller and maybe something for the shock, all the while reassuring you that you'll feel better soon and heal up cleanly.

 

On a related note, this analogy made me think ... if spirits of compassion are among the ones who aid "spirit healer" mages, could Cole -- especially as more-a-spirit -- possibly bolster healing magic too? Maybe, on his own, help people with physical pain or falling asleep? Aside from the first scene at Skyhold with the dying soldiers, we see him take care of mental/emotional wounds, but he can feel what's physically wrong with people, too.

He does talk about giving people food, a blanket or sleep, and you see him give a soldier water.

 

Really I didn't meant it like that It's more that I wonder about the causes and consequences in that type of scenarii. I'm not saying that "people should consider to suffer so that others can profit from it", and I'm also pretty sure that wasn't what the spirit of Justinian was implying.

Fair enough, sorry if I misconstrued what you were saying. I imagine it's been part of Cole's learning process that he's figured out when he can help and when his intervention does more harm than good.