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[Korva]

Nice one, Dust!

 

Hardly unique when there are other Spirits of Compassion in the fade. I guess, he is unique because he's not in the fade.

 

That's like saying the Inquisitor isn't unique because there are plenty more humans in the world. Also, Cole has done something that even mages didn't expect to be possible: he created a fully human body for himself.

 

Being human is better than being a spiri, The Maker's tail admits this

 

A religious text written by humans and for humans glorifies humanity over every other form of existence? Yes, of course it does. That is exactly what authorities, religious or otherwise, do to justify the status quo that elevates themselves over everyone else, and it is exactly what I meant earlier in the thread when I expressed my dislike for the "more like me = superior" narrative that we humans are so very, very fond of.

 

The Chant of Light is full of political propaganda and must be examined in that light to discover what remains of Andraste's true words and will. Mother Giselle, the closest thing the game has to our spiritual advisor, knows this and freely admits it. Cassandra pretty much implies the same in some of her conversations. And these two are as devoutly Andrastian as it gets.

 

Cole had every emotion, not just a main one, the Cole that feared someone would bind him, the Cole that took cheese for the mouse or crushed mint for cats, with Spirit Cole, he's gone.

 

Have you even talked to Cole? He shows happiness, gratitude, relief, sorrow, defiance. The thing with the mice and cats and all the other curious things he does around Skyhold? That was born from his compassion, his innermost nature that showed him a way to comfort the hurting and prevent harm.

 

Myopically judging the spirit-path for one moment you don't like makes no sense. It would be like saying the human-part leaves Cole forever reduced to a hurting, broken, needy, ignorant wreck because of all the agony and confusion it initially causes him.

[Master Warder Z_]

No.

[Dust]

okay, here is Cole with a little smile.

i didn't do much retouching of his skin, so he looks super real with all these roughy details XD.

 

 

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[Pasta]

okay, here is Cole with a little smile.

i didn't do much retouching of his skin, so he looks super real with all these roughy details XD.

 

 

 

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OH MY GOD IM DYING--

 

Thank you soooo much for the tutorial! I'm still trying to get my head around Blender... but this one, it's enough for my entire life     

[Dust]

OH MY GOD IM DYING--

 

Thank you soooo much for the tutorial! I'm still trying to get my head around Blender... but this one, it's enough for my entire life     

Please don't die, we can't lose a talented artist for a ghosty smile. 

You can massage me if you have any problems with Cycles, I can help.

[Addai]

I love that portrait!!!  Brings a little tear to my eye.

[Pasta]

Please don't die, we can't lose a talented artist for a ghosty smile. 

You can massage me if you have any problems with Cycles, I can help.

Aww you're too kind! His smile is soooooo pure... sigh 

 

Siiiigh I might be crazy but I can't stare at his eyes for too long. I get super nervous   and sweat alot--maybe why I'm not doing so well with Blender XD I probably should practice with a different model first. Painting him is killing me because of that.

 

OK that's enough fangirling from me ;__; Thank you again!

[Korva]

Good to see the little guy happy. A smile from him is a rare treat.

[Dust]

I love that portrait!!!  Brings a little tear to my eye.

That's my reaction when I get up and checked out the render result.

 

Aww you're too kind! His smile is soooooo pure... sigh 

 

Siiiigh I might be crazy but I can't stare at his eyes for too long. I get super nervous   and sweat alot--maybe why I'm not doing so well with Blender XD I probably should practice with a different model first. Painting him is killing me because of that.

 

OK that's enough fangirling from me ;__; Thank you again!

 

Oh I'm not kind, cuz I'm gonna make more blue orbs to suck your soul 

[Chenoah]

okay, here is Cole with a little smile.

i didn't do much retouching of his skin, so he looks super real with all these roughy details XD.

 

 

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That's amazing. Great job. Thank you for sharing these. 

[Liedeke]

I'm not much of a talker, but I love reading the discussions going on here.

 

I do draw a lot however, so here is more Cole.

[Liedeke]

okay, here is Cole with a little smile.

i didn't do much retouching of his skin, so he looks super real with all these roughy details XD.

 

 

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Looks great Dust!

[drake2511]

Hey guys! I love Cole, he's always in my party

I am doing a new playthrough but I can't get the cutscene where he helps the woman who's attending the wounded. I have high approval, but that scene won't trigger! It's so frustrating, I usuallly get it so early... did any of you have the same issue?

Anyway, here's a cute screenshot I took yesterday

[Jaison1986]

Looking for tips here. Does anyone know wich quests net approval from Cole? Just so I know were I should bring him. I know that saving the Inquisition soldiers from the avvar gives approval, and convincing the elven lady in Crestwood to join the Inquisiton ( doesn't need to be presente). Any others that I should know of? 

[Liedeke]

Looking for tips here. Does anyone know wich quests net approval from Cole? Just so I know were I should bring him. I know that saving the Inquisition soldiers from the avvar gives approval, and convincing the elven lady in Crestwood to join the Inquisiton ( doesn't need to be presente). Any others that I should know of? 

 

I know fetch-quests and helping refugees in the Hinterlands nets a lot of approval from Cole. Helping people in general works very well.

[Korva]

Cole is very easy to gain approval with if you're a completionist, yes. Judgments can help, too, depending on how far along you are. Avoid any humiliating sentences as well as imprisonment and Tranquility -- if you don't want to spare a prisoner, a clean death is preferable. If you know his background, it's understandable why he has ... issues with locking people away.

[SpiritMuse]

I read Asunder recently and now I want to give Cole hugs. Poor boy. And the other Cole, too. Maybe even more. That bit in the house, with the cupboard... T_T

But I loved him before that. I've had him and Solas together in my party for most of the game now and their banter is.... interesting. On the one hand it's fun to hear them bonding and discussing stuff, but on the other hand a lot of their conversations are like "what in the world are they even talking about?!" XD

Also, I think it's an interesting detail gameplay wise that his stealth mode is green like a Fade spirit, instead of blue/transparent like the rest.

Also, hi. *waves*

[Korva]

Hello back! More fans of this amazing character are always a welcome sight.

 

Yes, Solas and Cole are pure poetry together. Solas having been there to help Cole make sense of himself and the world, someone who not only does not fear him but actually treasures the same otherwordlly nature that upsets and scares so many others, must have been a tremendous relief. "You exist to help others. You are kindness, compassion, caring." -- "Never forget your purpose. It is a noble one, even if this world does not understand." That banter is really touching.

[BraveVesperia]

Looking for tips here. Does anyone know wich quests net approval from Cole? Just so I know were I should bring him. I know that saving the Inquisition soldiers from the avvar gives approval, and convincing the elven lady in Crestwood to join the Inquisiton ( doesn't need to be presente). Any others that I should know of? 

There's also the quest for the spirit of Command in Crestwood. Cole Greatly Approves if you complete that one. It always makes me happy because it shows the Inquisitor isn't just about about helping mortal people, they consider spirits worthy of help too. I like to think that's why Cole gives such a large amount of approval for it.

 

I always bring him to meet Command for that reason. And also on Solas' personal quest.

[Korva]

It's too bad they didn't let Cole comment on Solas' quest during the mission itself, but the banter that can fire afterwards is one of their most touching ones. Cole's solemn "I'll try not to die" and Solas' urgent "Do that, please" just make me want to bear-hug them both and not let go for a while.

 

And I like the quest with Command too, though at the same time I want to get in its face for being an ass to Cole. Compassion is what helps where making demands failed, and all that.

[BraveVesperia]

It's too bad they didn't let Cole comment on Solas' quest during the mission itself, but the banter that can fire afterwards is one of their most touching ones. Cole's solemn "I'll try not to die" and Solas' urgent "Do that, please" just make me want to bear-hug them both and not let go for a while.

 

And I like the quest with Command too, though at the same time I want to get in its face for being an ass to Cole. Compassion is what helps where making demands failed, and all that.

I felt bad for Cole getting shut down so harshly when he just wants to help. There are quite a few times when I'd like to confront other characters about that (like Sera and Vivienne, though I like them both). Plus when you take him to the temple of Mythal, and Morrigan condescendingly calls him 'little man'. That seemed pointlessly rude.

I do think it's fascinating watching the different spirits interact, even if Command was harsh. It's too bad Cole and Imshael don't have more to say to each other either, I'm sure that would be interesting. I wonder how far Cole's abilities could work on a spirit/demon. 

 

Yeah, it was definitely a missed opportunity not letting companions comment on each other's quest, because Cole would've been perfect for Solas'. I think he makes a comment when you're approaching the summoning site, but nothing during any of the cutscenes. His friendship with Solas is a delight, especially when Cole starts talking in that poetic-but-confusing way, and Solas just understands it perfectly. It's tough for me to work out what they're actually talking about, but it's sweet that Cole doesn't have to try and make himself clearer for Solas, the elf can just get his meaning.

[Korva]

I felt bad for Cole getting shut down so harshly when he just wants to help.

 

He sounds so taken aback and confused. When he accidentally "tears someone's tangles", he's upset with himself for upsetting them -- but this is utterly out of the blue and unwarranted. Yet he still apologizes. If the Inquisitor would get in Command's face for it, and they'd end up arguing, Cole would probably just try to stop it because arguing doesn't help.

 

As a side note, it's interesting how Command tells companions to be silent and let the Inquisitor speak. I guess it recognizes us as being in charge and thus the closest to its own nature, as far as silly mortals can be -- but I bet it isn't an everyday occurance for Solas (in my case) to be so rudely brushed off by a spirit. Props to him for taking it in stride.

 

I do think it's fascinating watching the different spirits interact, even if Command was harsh. It's too bad Cole and Imshael don't have more to say to each other either, I'm sure that would be interesting. I wonder how far Cole's abilities could work on a spirit/demon.

 

Apparently Cole gets quite worked up about Imshael, by his soft-spoken standards. I'd be curious to hear Imshael's (likely very unflattering) take on him, but I think for Cole it's dagger time, not talking time. It takes quite a bit to cross that line, but when he does get worked up like that, you know you're up against someone who's really beyond the pale. Interestingly, the sequence with Envy doesn't trigger the same reaction. He stays calm and soft-spoken all the way during that, and even tries, briefly, to reach Envy.

 

I would like to see Cole helping another spirit, or aiding in redeeming a spirit-turned-demon. He can feel their confusion and hurt, and he does express concern to Solas about saving more spirits. Saving another spirit from having its nature perverted like his own was would likely be very meaningful for Cole (though all help is meaningful of course).

 

Yeah, it was definitely a missed opportunity not letting companions comment on each other's quest, because Cole would've been perfect for Solas'. I think he makes a comment when you're approaching the summoning site, but nothing during any of the cutscenes.

 

I forgot about that, yes. His remark definitely made me expect trouble, but the pride demon was still a nasty shock. Since the Inquisitor can -- surprisingly easily -- keep Solas from killing the mages, Cole probably could as well ... and offer comfort better than a mortal could. I'm very glad that Solas, who usually gently tells Cole not to worry about his pains, ends up accepting Cole's help remembering his friend as she used to be.

 

His friendship with Solas is a delight, especially when Cole starts talking in that poetic-but-confusing way, and Solas just understands it perfectly. It's tough for me to work out what they're actually talking about, but it's sweet that Cole doesn't have to try and make himself clearer for Solas, the elf can just get his meaning.

 

Yes, and sadly no one can replace that aspect of Solas' friendship and support, since no one else knows the Fade like he does. Cole will very likely miss that. Even an Inquisitor who does their best to learn about understand spirits, give Cole room to flourish, and let him know how much he is cared for and valued, will never be able to fill that particular "hole".

[BraveVesperia]

He sounds so taken aback and confused. When he accidentally "tears someone's tangles", he's upset with himself for upsetting them -- but this is utterly out of the blue and unwarranted. Yet he still apologizes. If the Inquisitor would get in Command's face for it, and they'd end up arguing, Cole would probably just try to stop it because arguing doesn't help.

 

As a side note, it's interesting how Command tells companions to be silent and let the Inquisitor speak. I guess it recognizes us as being in charge and thus the closest to its own nature, as far as silly mortals can be -- but I bet it isn't an everyday occurance for Solas (in my case) to be so rudely brushed off by a spirit. Props to him for taking it in stride.

True enough, I certainly wouldn't want to cause him more distress. I guess that's one of those occasions where the Inquisitor's more mortal attempts at compassion would come into conflict with Cole's spirit version. I notice there are a few occasions like that, if the Inquisitor tries to coddle him instead of treating him as an equal (especially when he worries about 'becoming a demon' again). His level of compassion is just on a completely different level to any mortal we've seen. I mean, people like Bethany and Leliana (at least in DAO) were full of compassion, but even they were selfish, rude, etc sometimes. Cole's compassion is just really pure.

 

Hah, I particularly like Solas' 'maybe you're a spirit of Pomposity' comment.

Apparently Cole gets quite worked up about Imshael, by his soft-spoken standards. I'd be curious to hear Imshael's (likely very unflattering) take on him, but I think for Cole it's dagger time, not talking time. It takes quite a bit to cross that line, but when he does get worked up like that, you know you're up against someone who's really beyond the pale. Interestingly, the sequence with Envy doesn't trigger the same reaction. He stays calm and soft-spoken all the way during that, and even tries, briefly, to reach Envy.

 

I would like to see Cole helping another spirit, or aiding in redeeming a spirit-turned-demon. He can feel their confusion and hurt, and he does express concern to Solas about saving more spirits. Saving another spirit from having its nature perverted like his own was would likely be very meaningful for Cole (though all help is meaningful of course).

I haven't heard him say anything to Imshael, I'll have to try again with a different party (tends to just be Solas and Cass commenting in mine). Considering how much evil Imshael has done, I guess it's not surprising that compassion here would be applied through simply ridding the world of it. Hmm, I hadn't thought about Envy. Perhaps it wasn't motivated specifically by the joy of hurting people, so Cole thought there was still hope for it?

 

It would definitely be wonderful to see! To be honest, part of me would really love Cole to meet Justice. I liked that spirit too, though not to the same extent, and I feel like Cole could really get to the heart of what happened to twist Justice's original nature. If anyone could help save a spirit that's been corrupted, it's got to be Cole. And considering the breach and all the rifts, there must be so many in that situation now.

 

I forgot about that, yes. His remark definitely made me expect trouble, but the pride demon was still a nasty shock. Since the Inquisitor can -- surprisingly easily -- keep Solas from killing the mages, Cole probably could as well ... and offer comfort better than a mortal could. I'm very glad that Solas, who usually gently tells Cole not to worry about his pains, ends up accepting Cole's help remembering his friend as she used to be.

 

 

Yes, and sadly no one can replace that aspect of Solas' friendship and support, since no one else knows the Fade like he does. Cole will very likely miss that. Even an Inquisitor who does their best to learn about understand spirits, give Cole room to flourish, and let him know how much he is cared for and valued, will never be able to fill that particular "hole".

It's rather sweet that they both have a special insight into each other, Cole with the empathy and Solas with his Fade-knowledge. It really makes for a unique friendship. I guess Cole would be the best person to comfort Solas in that situation.

Yep, it definitely seems like Cole will be more lonely with Solas' absence, especially on the spirit path. That makes me even more eager to bring him along when we eventually get a dlc to track down Solas. Cole is bound to have unique dialogue and insight into the whole thing.

 

On a side note, I find it really sweet how Cole goes from being the most mistrusted member of the party to being one of the most well-liked, even if some of them don't really get him. You just can't hate such a friendly and caring person!

[Korva]

True enough, I certainly wouldn't want to cause him more distress. I guess that's one of those occasions where the Inquisitor's more mortal attempts at compassion would come into conflict with Cole's spirit version.

 

Yes, I think that this early on my Inquisitor wouldn't have absorbed the "spirits and how to deal with them" lessons well enough to avoid getting into an argument with Command, and would require a bit of mediation from Solas and Cole to accept that the only good way to handle this spirit is to obey it, as much as it rankles her to do so after it insulted her companions.

 

I notice there are a few occasions like that, if the Inquisitor tries to coddle him instead of treating him as an equal (especially when he worries about 'becoming a demon' again). His level of compassion is just on a completely different level to any mortal we've seen. I mean, people like Bethany and Leliana (at least in DAO) were full of compassion, but even they were selfish, rude, etc sometimes. Cole's compassion is just really pure.

 

Ugh, and did I ever feel like crap after picking either option to his post-Adamant demon-panic. Who wants to coldly tell such a kind and dear friend that you'll kill him? But that is what he needs to hear, or he just becomes more afraid and upset. Caring for him and understanding him means respecting that request, not "coddling" him as you said. It really shows his priorities in a rather heartbreaking manner. As does the "I don't matter" line during his quest. I admittedly snarled something impolite at the screen in reply to that.

 

Hah, I particularly like Solas' 'maybe you're a spirit of Pomposity' comment.

 

I never heard that! Do you remember how to trigger it?

 

I haven't heard him say anything to Imshael, I'll have to try again with a different party (tends to just be Solas and Cass commenting in mine).

 

Those three are my default team, too. In this situation it seems Cole's reaction always has lower priority than the lines of the the other two so it baffled me that he didn't say anything. I only learned about this from one of DanaDuchy's party comments videos (though I don't recall which one).

 

Hmm, I hadn't thought about Envy. Perhaps it wasn't motivated specifically by the joy of hurting people, so Cole thought there was still hope for it?

 

He does say, "Dark and desperate, death to make yourself alive. I used to be like you." Chilling, really. Not having read Asunder, I don't know just how nasty Cole was during that time, but it looks like he does feel something in Envy that might grow into a chance for change. If Envy wanted to, which it doesn't. (Good. Sorry, Cole. I was eager to kick some demon ass at last.)

 

It's rather sweet that they both have a special insight into each other, Cole with the empathy and Solas with his Fade-knowledge. It really makes for a unique friendship.

 

Definitely some of Bioware's best work ever. Cole, Solas, and both of them together.

 

On a side note, I find it really sweet how Cole goes from being the most mistrusted member of the party to being one of the most well-liked, even if some of them don't really get him. You just can't hate such a friendly and caring person!

 

It made me extremely happy for him, yes. All of the companions I use get along with him eventually, even Blackwall's suspicion and fear fade with time. Post-Revelations Blackwall and (spirit-)Cole have some really touching banters, which helped me forgive Blackwall, too. Cassandra was the most pleasant surprise, though. "Faith seeks a friend in compassion, cautious, careful, too much grey but growing." Since these two are my uncontested favourites, I'm delighted that they end up growing close to each other as well as to the Inquisitor.