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It's a bit silly, but I made this :D

 

Ha! Good one. Now I'm nostalgic, that's such a classic Baldur's Gate 2 moment. "NPCs start jabbering in the most inappropriate moments, like when you're about to engage a dragon" was a cause for much fun-poking on the forums back then. I think it was one reason why they switched to on-demand banters in later games.

I see you're a fan of the Team Awesome that is Cassandra-Cole-Solas, too.

 

I like Cole, and I have a hard time understanding how some people hate him. He's basically a child.

 

I don't see him as a child at all -- that'd make me dislike him, actually. :P Guileless, a bit literal-minded and confused about some mortal oddities, but mostly an alien being who found himself in a very strange and often hostile world with even stranger rules.

 

His oddities won me over tenfolds. I take him when ever I can.

 

Same. It feels strange to leave home without him now. I want to hear everything he has to say about places and people, not to mention simply enjoy his company.

 

I agree, it's pretty incredible! Especially because in the middle of that uncertainty, he'll go to Therinfal (despite being so emotionally connected to the original Cole's struggles) to make sure he won't hurt anyone again, and then to help the templars themselves. He has such a large amount of personal strength, I mean, he'd have to in order to deal with so many people's pain.

 

It's definitely an underappreciated kind of strength. And while it's his purpose and he is happy to live it, the first scene at Skyhold also suggests that feeling so much pain so close is not easy on him ... especially, I suppose, if people die all around him.

 

I think the trouble is that many people associate culture-shock and a unique world-view, with being a child.

 

True. Some of his mannerisms could be viewed as child-like, but one should never forget that he isn't really human -- and what exposure to the mortal world that he's had was pretty damn ugly and nasty as a whole, not the sort of experience conductive to learning how to "act normal".

 

If he's attuned to people's thoughts and emotions, I imagine he's even more likely to react strongly to people thinking 'demon' than other spirits (epsecially if someone like Rhys was one of those people :unsure: ). Plus, the Lord-Seeker at the time used a Litany of Adralla on him at the time to 'prove' he was a demon. I'm not sure exactly how the Litany works (or if Cole does), but that could influence his thinking.

 

Very likely. All those thoughts battering at him, including those of his only friends, combined with being twisted from his nature and having committed some gruesome acts ... it's impressive that he didn't go fully demon-mode as a result but recoiled from it.

 

It makes me really happy that Solas talks to him about being a spirit of compassion and emphasises just how precious such spirits are. Cole gets so little recognition for what he does, it's good to see! ^_^

 

Indeed. It's against his nature to seek recognition or gratitude, but I think it nonetheless does him good after all he's been through when people who know he's not human nonetheless not only don't see him as a monster, but let him help them in his unique way and thank him for it.

 

I felt the same way about when you ask Cassandra for advice. Prior to befriending Cole, she just says the Inquisitor should send him away because he's dangerous, but afterwards she doesn't say anything. It would've been a nice touch for her to comment on how she's changed her mind, especially after he helps her come to terms with her revelations about the Seekers.

 

I noticed that, too -- a curious oversight considering how well they get along later on.

 

No problem! His speech is so poetic on the spirit path (and sometimes before then). Hard to understand, but worth it if you piece it together. I didn't realise on my first PT, but when they return to Solas' study and Varric is concerned, Cole references the history with Bartrand.

 

Yes, though I thought it was weird because Cole really doesn't act remotely like a babbling madman. As I said somewhere else, I'd have liked to see Varric come around a bit to more-spirit-Cole, as Solas does to more-human-Cole. Between that scene and the one post-quest banter they share, it almost feels as if Varric doesn't know how to treat Cole anymore. I do hope they sort it out -- Varric really doesn't strike me as a guy who'd withdraw from a friend so easily.


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I wonder, what will happen when you take Cole in "Doom Upon All The World" and do not finish his companion quest? Can you do it at all?

Hmm. Never thought about that.
 

 

Ha! Good one. Now I'm nostalgic, that's such a classic Baldur's Gate 2 moment. "NPCs start jabbering in the most inappropriate moments, like when you're about to engage a dragon" was a cause for much fun-poking on the forums back then. I think it was one reason why they switched to on-demand banters in later games.

I see you're a fan of the Team Awesome that is Cassandra-Cole-Solas, too.

 

Haha yes, I remember that in BG2 xD

Team Awesome is the best team ever.



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True. Some of his mannerisms could be viewed as child-like, but one should never forget that he isn't really human -- and what exposure to the mortal world that he's had was pretty damn ugly and nasty as a whole, not the sort of experience conductive to learning how to "act normal".

 

Very likely. All those thoughts battering at him, including those of his only friends, combined with being twisted from his nature and having committed some gruesome acts ... it's impressive that he didn't go fully demon-mode as a result but recoiled from it.

 Yes, that's true. He's probably seen some of the worst the world has to offer, both through the original Cole's experiences and by seeing into people's guilt and regets (like Blackwall). It certainly is remarkable that he's managed to regain his pure nature all things considered! He seems to be unique even among spirits. I think his empathy definitely helps, because there's no way he'd want to inflict suffering on people and then feel that. It probably helped him even during his darkest period.

 

Yes, though I thought it was weird because Cole really doesn't act remotely like a babbling madman. As I said somewhere else, I'd have liked to see Varric come around a bit to more-spirit-Cole, as Solas does to more-human-Cole. Between that scene and the one post-quest banter they share, it almost feels as if Varric doesn't know how to treat Cole anymore. I do hope they sort it out -- Varric really doesn't strike me as a guy who'd withdraw from a friend so easily.

Me too. I assume that everything that happened with Anders coloured his opinion about it a little. Varric doesn't have any experience with spirits outside of that, and his friendship with Anders went really bad. I wonder if that's why he seems to find it easier seeing Cole as being like a quirky human than a spirit. It's a good sign that he still invites Cole to Wicked Grace, regardless of whether he's on the human or spirit path. Varric definitely still wants him around, I think he just needs some time to understand Cole a little better, and his spirit PoV. I think the fact that Cole is clearly all about compassion and helping will go a long way towards that.

 

Found another gem! I love the friendship between Dorian and Cole <3

*snip*

Cole: "Dorian, am I handsome?"
Dorian: "Are you what?"
Cole: "You say you're handsome all the time. Am I? I can't tell."
Dorian: "You're all right. Might want to rethink the hat."
Cole: "But I LIKE my hat!"


Source: http://www.deviantar...anter-515138170

This is lovely! ^_^ I've yet to take Dorian and Cole together, but I hear they develop a lovely friendship. Cass looking on in the background with a little smile is definitely a nice touch.


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Made a thing and am sharing it c:

 

AU Cole, if the templars in the Spire had actually treated him well and he became a spirit healer with the same spirit of Compassion :3

 

Based the (spirit dmg) staff from Bleeder of Souls, my fave dagger model.

 

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Original here


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Aww. *cry* The thought of the real Cole in the closet on the bad day just... I can't. And that the closet turned out to be safer than where he ended up.
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*cries too* T___T that's a wonderful concept and art there, snackrat! Loving it :)

 

That plaideweave scarf tho :P


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I wonder, what will happen when you take Cole in "Doom Upon All The World" and do not finish his companion quest? Can you do it at all?

  

Hmm. Never thought about that.


You can't take him at all. His character card will be crossed out unavailable for that mission, I've had it happen.
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You can't take him at all. His character card will be crossed out unavailable for that mission, I've had it happen.

 

...afterwards, turns out he's cool with staying as Colepassion, because he thinks only Cory was strong enough to bind him. He reckons he's cool now.

It saves the him the pain of emotions, and you the pain of watching him forget, but you don't hang out with him at all from that point. Still sad :c



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 Yes, that's true. He's probably seen some of the worst the world has to offer, both through the original Cole's experiences and by seeing into people's guilt and regets (like Blackwall). It certainly is remarkable that he's managed to regain his pure nature all things considered!

 

Yes, he may be made for it, but it's still admirable and my Inquisitor is determined to never take him for granted.

 

Me too. I assume that everything that happened with Anders coloured his opinion about it a little. Varric doesn't have any experience with spirits outside of that, and his friendship with Anders went really bad.

 

Very likely. Plus, this happens right after Adamant ... meaning right after Varric potentially lost his closest friend, like he did in my game. So his home went to hell, one friend became a terrorist and died for it, his brother may be dead too, the red lyrium menace AND the big bad currently threatening the world are partly his responsibility (or so he thinks), and then he loses Hawke on top of it all. It's probably no surprise that he tries to cling so hard to what's familiar about Cole.

 

I wonder if that's why he seems to find it easier seeing Cole as being like a quirky human than a spirit. It's a good sign that he still invites Cole to Wicked Grace, regardless of whether he's on the human or spirit path. Varric definitely still wants him around, I think he just needs some time to understand Cole a little better, and his spirit PoV. I think the fact that Cole is clearly all about compassion and helping will go a long way towards that.

 

Hopefully. And hopefully the fact that Cole is calmer and happier afterwards, if noticeably more "otherworldly", will register with Varric before long. And of course if Varric frets about it, Cole will feel it and want to find a way to make it better.

 

On a related note, if you don't bring more-spirit Cole to the final battle, the conversation with him at the victory party apparently includes a dialog choice which results in him making a joke. I nearly fell out of my chair! Varric would burst with pride if he heard that, given all his attempts to teach Cole about humor. It's touching and fitting that when he finally shows a glimpse of it, despite being so much less human himself, it's through his compassion that he realizes humor can be helpful, too.

 

This is lovely! ^_^ I've yet to take Dorian and Cole together, but I hear they develop a lovely friendship. Cass looking on in the background with a little smile is definitely a nice touch.

 

They all look like they jumped right out of the game. :) And Cole-Dorian is another highly recommended banter combination! My third favourite banter buddy for Cole, after Solas and Cassandra.

 

...afterwards, turns out he's cool with staying as Colepassion, because he thinks only Cory was strong enough to bind him. He reckons he's cool now.

It saves the him the pain of emotions, and you the pain of watching him forget, but you don't hang out with him at all from that point. Still sad :c

 

I was sad about having to choose between Cole's two "sides" at first, too, and wished there was a way to keep him ... but not at the cost of letting him down by denying him the one time this almost painfully selfless friend ever asks for anything. Now I think the sadness is intentional, part of his character concept. He will heal from the old hurt either way, but it comes at a cost. Bittersweet. As much as I like the character as we first meet him, I've also grown very fond of the more-spirit-version of him.

 

Touching picture, by the way, and the plaidweave made me chuckle. ;)


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This always makes me laugh! It's good to be a mindreader sometimes. :D

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"Think of the mayhem Sera...THE MAYHEM!" :lol:

Source: http://kelgrid.tumbl...1366703/mayhem8


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This always makes me laugh! It's good to be a mindreader sometimes. biggrin.png

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"Think of the mayhem Sera...THE MAYHEM!" laugh.png

Source: http://kelgrid.tumbl...1366703/mayhem8

 

HAHAHAHA OMG I LOVE THIS, I NEED THIS TO BE A CUT SCENE IN THE GAME PLZ BIO-WARE 


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dragon_age___the_cook_by_kelgrid-d7q9fmq

LOL! Guess they got their distraction...  :lol:
 
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Sera and Cole does not get along...understatement of the year! Luckily there is the nerd jail! LOL! :D

Source: http://kelgrid.devia...shame-467375110


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#6089
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Oh my, Hamster Cullen is killing me <3


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Oh my, Hamster Cullen is killing me <3

lol, yes...I wonder what he did to land himself in nerd jail? :D



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lol, yes...I wonder what he did to land himself in nerd jail? :D

 

He mentioned calibrations, one time too many.  :lol:


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Ohhhhhhh my god Cole's smile!



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Ohhhhhhh my god Cole's smile!

 

Yes, it makes him shine and shows how truly beautiful he is.  <3


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Yes, it makes him shine and shows how truly beautiful he is.  <3

I'm pretty sure I have yet to see a fan art where Cole has those stupid bug-eyes that Bioware gave him.


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^ That's why I draw his hair covering them. Every time I try to draw his actual eyes, they look weird as hell.

 

I think in-game the reason his eyes look so weird is his eyelids. They're both up (lower closed, upper wide open). That makes sense, because he usually has his head titled forward. But whenever the camera pans under his hat, it makes him look

weird

as

hell.

 

People normally lower their uppper lid to just above the pupil to protect as much of the eye as possible at all times. Go ahead. Look in the mirror. Open up your upper lid, draw up your lower one. Either burst into laughter or tears from the result.

 

 

On another note, it was nice to play the game and see the unique ways he helps people. When the Bioware blog mentioned him collecting daggers, burning turnips, and throwing bread on the battlements, I thought it was just because he was completely dotty. :3


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I know I commented on the pictures Nette linked before, but I gotta say love Cole's "glow" even more than that rare hint of a smile -- soft sunlight-gold is definitely the colour I'd associate with him due to all that bright and warm compassion. Still, Cassandra's picture is even better. She looks so damn strong and awesome and knows it too, like a victorious warrior fresh off the battlefield, wreath-crowned and all.

 

Or put them side by side and they're kind of smiling at each other, a lovely reflection of their growing friendship.



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[bias] I think everything about him is perfect :wub:  [/bias]

 

TBH, the trait that makes me fall for him, his eyes. The shape, dark lines under his eyes, lids, his iris, call me crazy but I did experience a "window" to my soul by his eyes. Then his teeth. Look at them, it's uneven, BW put so much detail into his character design. When he grins with those uneven teeth...  :wub:

 

He looks real. I did imagine what he would look like if he had not been a victim of starvation and I can't even survive thinking about it  :blush:

 

I sound like an obsessed psychopath. I think Cole himself would be freaked out by me. *Sits by a cliff, rethinking her life*  :(



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I'm pretty sure I have yet to see a fan art where Cole has those stupid bug-eyes that Bioware gave him.

He's supposed to be unsettling. He constructed his appearance while he was half spirit, half demon, and while the real Cole was dying. The art softens him a bit but his appearance in game is realistic- or rather, fantastic in believable ways.
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[bias] I think everything about him is perfect :wub:  [/bias]

 

TBH, the trait that makes me fall for him, his eyes. The shape, dark lines under his eyes, lids, his iris, call me crazy but I did experience a "window" to my soul by his eyes. Then his teeth. Look at them, it's uneven, BW put so much detail into his character design. When he grins with those uneven teeth...  :wub:

 

He looks real. I did imagine what he would look like if he had not been a victim of starvation and I can't even survive thinking about it  :blush:

 

I sound like an obsessed psychopath. I think Cole himself would be freaked out by me. *Sits by a cliff, rethinking her life*  :(

 

I love his crooked teeth. With the stupid foppish hat and the mop of hair he is so goofy it's cute <3


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I found this and started hiccupping from laughing so hard!


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