I found a tiny Cole! Soo cute!
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Cole discussion, speculation, and fan thread: "How do you know?"
#6126
Posté 07 mars 2015 - 09:19
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#6127
Posté 07 mars 2015 - 09:42
I wanted that option too!
Just look at him, he NEEDS a hug!
You're so cruel!
I can't bear all of this at once.
Adaar: Cole, I'll always look out for you. Think of me as your own personal Qunari bodyguard.
Cole:No…. I couldn't even protect my parents. Teardrops fall onto their bodies. This time it will be different. Grow stronger to protect those unprotected.
Adaar: Yea, I wasn't always able to protect the people I've truly cared about, but things are different now.
Cole: We help the hurt. Mend the lost souls. Things seem much easier now that people are able to truly see the real me.
Adaar: Before, people thought I was just a... savage beast. They moved away from me as I'd walked through the streets. Wait… are we talking about me or you?
Cole: I… don't know.
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#6128
Posté 08 mars 2015 - 11:08
So... in my first five play throughs, I made Cole more human. For specific RP reasons in this play through, I made him more a spirit. Initially, I thought he was so much happier as a spirit, and regretted my previous choice, to a degree. Then he makes himself forget about the original, real Cole, and I was left very upset by that interaction. To forget why you became what you are potentially means to forget what you are (this is Blackwall's fear, as Cole reveals, and is completely separate from forgiveness of that becoming)-- and I think I've just answered my own issue, I guess. Cole didn't need the original Cole to be what he already was; a spirit of compassion. Forgetting the original Cole will likely make him MORE free to do what he does as a spirit. But I can't shake the feeling that you must always remember the good AND the bad, what brought you to where you are now. There again, I suppose spirits predisposed to a certain mindset (like compassion) don't need that knowledge. Still, it was very upsetting to hear him make himself forget. I suppose that's the human side of me?
sorry, this is a LOT of thought compressed into a paragraph post
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#6129
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 12:28
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#6130
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 06:55
So, all the Cole-huggers: any opinions on the issue of platonic physical affection/comfort? ![]()
I like the inquisitor, and he may just be my favorite protagonist in the series, but I feel sometimes he/she's too powerful, and anyone who crosses them will not be so lucky.
She's my favourite, too, and I really wish for more story content for her and her team. Between the Tevinter magisters, the long-expected qunari invasion, and hyped-up supermegaimba NPCs like Flemeth (RIP), Morrigan (ugh, die already) and the Dread Wolf (you better not f*ck up, buddy), I think there would still be plenty of challenges to go around, both on a personal and a political level.
It's just sad that some people write him off so quickly because they find him "weird," or have this view that all spirits are demons. Cole just wants to help everyone out, which is all he knows until being exposed to the Inquisition. I feel that as a human, he has more room to finally grow. The way you put the spirit path makes me kind of curious.
Yes, the "weirdness" and the way most of it is down to people simply refusing to open their minds just a little is sad, and a big reason for my preference. It's about clasping his shoulders, looking him in the eye and saying "You are right the way you are. You don't have to look, feel, think or act according to society's very narrow and dubious definition of 'normal' to be not only accepted, but also respected, welcome and treasured as a very dear friend." Sure, it may be more challenging for me to relate to him when he's not "acting normal" and even more when he's in full-on spirit of compassion mode, but it's fascinating too, and he is very much worth it. It also reflects a lot of real-world issues and some bitter life experience. People give each other so much crap for even minor differences, never mind all the horrible abuse and persecution over bigger differences.
Basically, I just really want people to be able to remember Cole after he has helped them.
Part of me wants that, too -- both because from a human POV he certainly deserves some gratitude for all his efforts, and because a little first-hand experience with a spirit could do a lot to convince people that not everything that comes from the Fade is a threat. Unfortunately, it's not really viable to explain that to all the people he helps. My Inquisitor will try to spread what she learned from him and Solas through the ranks of her people, try to gently convince him to extend his "comfort zone" of trusted people who know about him a little, and otherwise accept that it's Cole's own choice whether he reveals himself or not.
Though as I said before, I'm convinced that having some people who do think of him fondly and thank him for his aid must have done him a lot of good after he first joined us.
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#6131
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 07:25
Then he makes himself forget about the original, real Cole, and I was left very upset by that interaction. To forget why you became what you are potentially means to forget what you are (this is Blackwall's fear, as Cole reveals, and is completely separate from forgiveness of that becoming)-- and I think I've just answered my own issue, I guess. Cole didn't need the original Cole to be what he already was; a spirit of compassion. Forgetting the original Cole will likely make him MORE free to do what he does as a spirit. But I can't shake the feeling that you must always remember the good AND the bad, what brought you to where you are now. There again, I suppose spirits predisposed to a certain mindset (like compassion) don't need that knowledge. Still, it was very upsetting to hear him make himself forget. I suppose that's the human side of me?
sorry, this is a LOT of thought compressed into a paragraph post
Hey, we folks who like Cole should have no issues with a little stream-of-consciousness rambling, seeing how much the little guy does it too. ![]()
It is sad that he has to make himself forget, I agree. Both because of the real Cole's memory, and because our Cole is hurting so much that he can't bear it. Still, it is an act of kindness ... one directed, for once, at himself. That is what I actually find a bit touching. This is the same being who once said "I don't matter", and boy did I want my character to object loudly to that! Yet even though he always puts others first, he still allows himself that release, that moment of self-care. What upsets me -- a lot -- is how the Inquisitor just walks out on him. They dropped the ball there in a big way.
#6132
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 08:11
So, all the Cole-huggers: any opinions on the issue of platonic physical affection/comfort?
I say more hugs for everyone, especially Cole! ![]()
I think they absolutely should put more platonic physical affections in the game. A hug, a pat on the shoulder, a nudge when sitting beside a friend or kiss on the cheek would do a lot of good towards bonding and creating friendships with the characters. It would also allow us to flesh out the quizzy's personality.
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Hey, we folks who like Cole should have no issues with a little stream-of-consciousness rambling, seeing how much the little guy does it too.
It is sad that he has to make himself forget, I agree. Both because of the real Cole's memory, and because our Cole is hurting so much that he can't bear it. Still, it is an act of kindness ... one directed, for once, at himself. That is what I actually find a bit touching. This is the same being who once said "I don't matter", and boy did I want my character to object loudly to that! Yet even though he always puts others first, he still allows himself that release, that moment of self-care. What upsets me -- a lot -- is how the Inquisitor just walks out on him. They dropped the ball there in a big way.
This is also one of the reasons I prefer the human path for Cole, here she sits down with him and he thanks her for staying
(this should be available for both paths tho). Also this would have been the perfect time for a hug! ![]()
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#6133
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 09:11
I say more hugs for everyone, especially Cole!
If he wants them, definitely. Not everyone is a hugger or even big on lighter touching, so I'm curious how folks imagine him reacting to physical affection and support, maybe depending on which step of his journey he's currently on (shortly after joining/after he's really come to trust someone/more spirit/more human). And does he use it on his own accord, to comfort and help people (like he did with the real Cole) or not at all?
That rather adorable picture you linked definitely reflects how I'd imagine him reacting if someone offered him affection. He does have that old "people will fear/hate/abandon me if they know what I am" hurt, combined with a touch of bewilderment when someone tries to comfort him since it "should" be the other way around.
I think they absolutely should put more platonic physical affections in the game. A hug, a pat on the shoulder, a nudge when sitting beside a friend or kiss on the cheek would do a lot of good towards bonding and creating friendships with the characters. It would also allow us to flesh out the quizzy's personality.
I'd really love that, yes. Even just a hand on the shoulder can convey a lot of meaning. Varric is an okay character, but it's just wrong that he's the only one whom you can show some physical support/comfort way when you may be so much closer to others. While Hawke's death no doubt hits him hard, he's not the only one who suffers.
(Not to mention a little reverse care from the NPC towards our PC for a change, too.)
This is also one of the reasons I prefer the human path for Cole, here she sits down with him and he thanks her for staying
(this should be available for both paths tho). Also this would have been the perfect time for a hug!
Staying should definitely should have been possible on both paths, yes. Leaving him like that is a huge kick in the teeth and makes no sense at all.
#6134
Posté 09 mars 2015 - 09:50
If he wants them, definitely. Not everyone is a hugger or even big on lighter touching, so I'm curious how folks imagine him reacting to physical affection and support, maybe depending on which step of his journey he's currently on (shortly after joining/after he's really come to trust someone/more spirit/more human). And does he use it on his own accord, to comfort and help people (like he did with the real Cole) or not at all?
I think he will use it if he feels the other person needs it. Sometimes words are not enough after all.
That rather adorable picture you linked definitely reflects how I'd imagine him reacting if someone offered him affection. He does have that old "people will fear/hate/abandon me if they know what I am" hurt, combined with a touch of bewilderment when someone tries to comfort him since it "should" be the other way around.
Yes, that would probably be how he reacts the first time but I think he would hug back after the initial shock. You might have to explain why you hugged him tho.
I also think that, especially for more human Cole, it's important that he experiences the good sides of humanity as well. (Considering the real Cole didn't get much of that either)
I'd really love that, yes. Even just a hand on the shoulder can convey a lot of meaning. Varric is an okay character, but it's just wrong that he's the only one whom you can show some physical support/comfort way when you may be so much closer to others. While Hawke's death no doubt hits him hard, he's not the only one who suffers.
I loved the Varric hug but you're right, we should have been able to hug/show affection for the others as well. I really wanted to hug Cole and Dorian.
#6135
Posté 10 mars 2015 - 05:08
If he wants them, definitely. Not everyone is a hugger or even big on lighter touching, so I'm curious how folks imagine him reacting to physical affection and support, maybe depending on which step of his journey he's currently on (shortly after joining/after he's really come to trust someone/more spirit/more human). And does he use it on his own accord, to comfort and help people (like he did with the real Cole) or not at all?
That rather adorable picture you linked definitely reflects how I'd imagine him reacting if someone offered him affection. He does have that old "people will fear/hate/abandon me if they know what I am" hurt, combined with a touch of bewilderment when someone tries to comfort him since it "should" be the other way around.
I'd really love that, yes. Even just a hand on the shoulder can convey a lot of meaning. Varric is an okay character, but it's just wrong that he's the only one whom you can show some physical support/comfort way when you may be so much closer to others. While Hawke's death no doubt hits him hard, he's not the only one who suffers.
(Not to mention a little reverse care from the NPC towards our PC for a change, too.)
Staying should definitely should have been possible on both paths, yes. Leaving him like that is a huge kick in the teeth and makes no sense at all.
Asunder depicted couple of times about people touch him and show they kindness, you mit get an idea on how that would be from these little pieces.
It’s a bit long to share the entire scene below, but to avoid confusing, the first part I skipped is Eve finds out his eagerness to talk with Rhys, the second part is main plot spoiler, the third part is how Cole knows about the Chant of Light. (remember his banter with Cassandra? She must reminds him a lot about Evangeline so his is so sweet to her.)
There are more hugs between him and Rhys, I won’t type them all for the copyright concern, well, I can’t handle the feels of rereading them anyway. I extract these parts to share with you cause I think he isn't really so detest to these gestures like how he appears to be. He seems pretty uncomfortable and nerves when people trying to get closer, but he flinch away and even push them away aren't really what he meant to, he was just so afraid of losing them. These is hard to imagine living in a world forever oblivious to your passing, but his mental state is actually pretty accurate for many people who suffered from past trauma or social anxiety, these well written inner thoughts are really believable and might proven to be useful to decipher such quiet and complex character, or maybe give you more in depth understanding about Cole, I hope.
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#6136
Posté 10 mars 2015 - 10:47
I think he will use it if he feels the other person needs it. Sometimes words are not enough after all.
True, especially if the other person is shut in, delirious or dying. I definitely see him touching to comfort much more easily than touching as an expression of "you're my friend".
I suppose the spirit-side Cole's ability to give people "a little of me, what I am, to make the happiness stronger" is also kind of a spiritual equivalent of a hug that leaves the person he helped feeling lighter and warmer inside even though they don't know why.
Yes, that would probably be how he reacts the first time but I think he would hug back after the initial shock. You might have to explain why you hugged him tho.
I want to tell him, "Because you're you." It would add to the shock value at first, but hopefully also reassure him that there's nothing wrong with being what he is.
I loved the Varric hug but you're right, we should have been able to hug/show affection for the others as well. I really wanted to hug Cole and Dorian.
These two plus Cassandra. She's less in need of support and affirmation that she's great as she is, but I really want some warrior-bonding, sisters-in-arms affection with her.
Asunder depicted couple of times about people touch him and show they kindness, you mit get an idea on how that would be from these little pieces.
Cheers! He's clearly changed a lot since then, but it helps understand where he came from.
Cole reached out and awkwardly patted her on the shoulder. It seemed like a useless, impotent gesture. He had no idea how to comfort someone, nor was he certain why he felt the need to.
... ouch. That, more than any amount of tears or angst, hammers home how completely lost and broken he was.
And also how far he had already come when we first meet him, mostly through his own strength and will.
I extract these parts to share with you cause I think he isn't really so detest to these gestures like how he appears to be. He seems pretty uncomfortable and nerves when people trying to get closer, but he flinch away and even push them away aren't really what he meant to, he was just so afraid of losing them. These is hard to imagine living in a world forever oblivious to your passing, but his mental state is actually pretty accurate for many people who suffered from past trauma or social anxiety, these well written inner thoughts are really believable and might proven to be useful to decipher such quiet and complex character, or maybe give you more in depth understanding about Cole, I hope.
It does help, yes. Trauma and social phobia are issues I have experience with, so his reactions do make sense even without considering the unique angle of his true nature. Being invisible and quickly forgotten no longer worries him, but physical affection as a sign of being wanted by his new friends and having found a place to belong could likely still be quite reassuring to him.
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#6137
Posté 11 mars 2015 - 12:27
Cole art time!
(Spoiler for size)
Rhys and Cole. Beautiful! ![]()
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#6138
Posté 11 mars 2015 - 03:23
... ouch. That, more than any amount of tears or angst, hammers home how completely lost and broken he was.
And also how far he had already come when we first meet him, mostly through his own strength and will.
You have no idea how happy and proud I am after I know he dosen't live in the dungeon but a warm and comfortable tavern.
It does help, yes. Trauma and social phobia are issues I have experience with, so his reactions do make sense even without considering the unique angle of his true nature. Being invisible and quickly forgotten no longer worries him, but physical affection as a sign of being wanted by his new friends and having found a place to belong could likely still be quite reassuring to him.
He conquered a lot by himself indeed, that's part of reason why I no longer object to the notion of people wants to romance him now. I know it wasn’t my original opinion, not because of those hilarious child or corpus reasons but more of an overprotective worry. I was simply afraid.
Afraid that he will get hurt again in a complex relationship. Since this is a game of choice, they offered you a chance to develop a deep relationship with a character, at the same time, offer you even more chances to end it. If you make him feel, make him know, just so you can destroy him? Oh my, I can’t imagine what that will do to this very pure soul, can't even bear the existence of those options. But now I’ve played the game, to be able to see his growth, know he isn’t that wretched young man who’s world is nothing but protect his only friend now. He meet so many new friends, found his new meaning of life, the most pure and noble one. He is much stronger, much qualified than I thought before. So if their is a special one who can offer him the happiness he deserves, then why I have to say no?
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#6139
Posté 11 mars 2015 - 11:04
God, why I’m so late for the news? Just been told that David Gaider have decided to leave leader writer’s job to Patrick and move on to another Bio series. These two amazing Cole creators, I don’t even know which feeling should come first now, happy or sad. The world is changing too fast.
#6140
Posté 11 mars 2015 - 11:22
Perhaps the revelation of his true nature by lambert in asunder leads him to realize he doesn't need to eat as he is not of this world
#6141
Posté 11 mars 2015 - 12:06
Cole eats in asunder iirc and in Dai says he doesn't eat. Which is it?
Perhaps the revelation of his true nature by lambert in asunder leads him to realize he doesn't need to eat as he is not of this world
He needs to eat and sleep and… probably everything else in Asunder, he even doubt his own death for that. Besides, it would be very weird if he acted completely non-human when he travelled with Rhys across Thedas and Rhys still believed Cole is, even convinced Evangeline to think so. Cole said he was always fully human, so I guess your assumption is right, he was evidently influenced by the truth and Lambert’s accusations.
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#6142
Posté 12 mars 2015 - 06:06
A new Cole’s art from me ![]()

“Everyone remembers me now,
I can only make them miss me for a few heartbeats.”
Closer
Full resolution 2600x3000
Software
Next step I’m going to make his hair animated, maybe a badass Cole fighting under the moon light
?
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#6143
Posté 12 mars 2015 - 06:28
So, all the Cole-huggers: any opinions on the issue of platonic physical affection/comfort?
She's my favourite, too, and I really wish for more story content for her and her team. Between the Tevinter magisters, the long-expected qunari invasion, and hyped-up supermegaimba NPCs like Flemeth (RIP), Morrigan (ugh, die already) and the Dread Wolf (you better not f*ck up, buddy), I think there would still be plenty of challenges to go around, both on a personal and a political level.
Yes, the "weirdness" and the way most of it is down to people simply refusing to open their minds just a little is sad, and a big reason for my preference. It's about clasping his shoulders, looking him in the eye and saying "You are right the way you are. You don't have to look, feel, think or act according to society's very narrow and dubious definition of 'normal' to be not only accepted, but also respected, welcome and treasured as a very dear friend." Sure, it may be more challenging for me to relate to him when he's not "acting normal" and even more when he's in full-on spirit of compassion mode, but it's fascinating too, and he is very much worth it. It also reflects a lot of real-world issues and some bitter life experience. People give each other so much crap for even minor differences, never mind all the horrible abuse and persecution over bigger differences.
Part of me wants that, too -- both because from a human POV he certainly deserves some gratitude for all his efforts, and because a little first-hand experience with a spirit could do a lot to convince people that not everything that comes from the Fade is a threat. Unfortunately, it's not really viable to explain that to all the people he helps. My Inquisitor will try to spread what she learned from him and Solas through the ranks of her people, try to gently convince him to extend his "comfort zone" of trusted people who know about him a little, and otherwise accept that it's Cole's own choice whether he reveals himself or not.
Though as I said before, I'm convinced that having some people who do think of him fondly and thank him for his aid must have done him a lot of good after he first joined us.
A nice personal story for the inquisitor would be welcomed. I think it would be really nice to have a DLC where the enemy is targeting everyone close to the Inquisitor, like family and friends. That enemy doesn't care about the inquisition as a whole, but only causing pain directly to the Inquisitor. I would jump in joy and shout all the way to Heaven for a personal inquisitor's story.
I wish we could had said that to Cole, he is helping everyone else, but no seems to be looking out for him, well except Solas, Cassandra, and Varric, but they try to be under the table about it. We don't always have to relate to how someone presents themselves, but the goals they're striving to achieve, and how they walk that path to get to the finish line. Yea if you don't fully agree with someone these days, they tend to write you off. People see demons and spirits as the same being, but they really aren't. Cole deserves more than that, because he's trying to do the best he can. Ugh, I'm such a sucker for Cole.
Most of the time I was agreeing with Solas about spirits walking among everyone else on Thedas, especially the good kind, and I feel if more people knew about Cole and his deeds, they would give spirits a chance. But then there would also be demons walking among humans, so there's that. Yea I really wish there was a chance to ask Cole's opinion on how he felt about the human and spirit path…. ![]()
#6144
Posté 12 mars 2015 - 06:29
A new Cole’s art from me
“Everyone remembers me now,
I can only make them miss me for a few heartbeats.”
Closer
Spoiler
Full resolution 2600x3000
Software
Spoiler
Next step I’m going to make his hair animated, maybe a badass Cole fighting under the moon light
?
I love this! Are you taking requests? ![]()
#6145
Posté 14 mars 2015 - 08:09
A nice personal story for the inquisitor would be welcomed. I think it would be really nice to have a DLC where the enemy is targeting everyone close to the Inquisitor, like family and friends. That enemy doesn't care about the inquisition as a whole, but only causing pain directly to the Inquisitor. I would jump in joy and shout all the way to Heaven for a personal inquisitor's story.
It would be very expensive to do well because of the different backgrounds, but I agree -- in fact, it's extremely weird that this doesn't happen at some point in the game, once we're strong enough to register as a credible threat. But, yes, as much as I love the companions, I regret that Bioware puts essentially zero effort into allowing us to flesh out our characters.
We don't always have to relate to how someone presents themselves, but the goals they're striving to achieve, and how they walk that path to get to the finish line.
Well said.
Cole deserves more than that, because he's trying to do the best he can. Ugh, I'm such a sucker for Cole.
Same here. I always tend to like the kind and gentle ones, but he's in a league of his own.
Yea I really wish there was a chance to ask Cole's opinion on how he felt about the human and spirit path…. [
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We kind of get his opinion when he says "I don't matter". As I said before, that made me want to yell at the screen because bloody hell, Cole, you do matter. Granted, at that point he's already quite distressed and likely not in a position to really think about what he wants to be, aside from not being a risk to people. Maybe it's something that could have come up before his quest.
Actually, I think it's interesting that this character with his painful, confusing background and torn dual nature is nonetheless the one who so frequently and firmly states "I'm me". Before his quest, as more of a spirit, as more of a human ... he has that sense of self, and it's rather impressive and heartening. It may not always be easy for him to grasp "what" he is, but at the end of the day, beyond any labels, he's himself. Being able to say "I'm me" despite all the inside or outside pressures can take a tremendous amount of strength and courage, so it makes me happy when he does it.
@Dust: I think his hair could be a bit paler, but otherwise well done.
Poor little guy.
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#6147
Posté 18 mars 2015 - 01:33
These are soo adorable!! The little Cole!
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#6148
Guest_Marion_*
Posté 19 mars 2015 - 08:46
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Lovely! Speaking of Pokemon, I think part of the reason I like Cole is because he reminds me of N.
As for the debate on spirit/human, I just have fun with it!
If I choose the Templars and meet him where he shows his good intentions and sort of forms a bond of trust with my Inquisitor, I make him human because of what she saw of him that others didn't. All my dialogue options teach him to be human too.
If I choose the Mages, I make him a spirit due to not knowing much about him or have any proof of him being of good intentions. All of my dialogue options let him use his powers and kill that man suffering in Skyhold (if you tell him not to kill the guy, his reply is so cute! He whisper "try" to him, encouraging him to survive, already showing signs he wants to learn to be human).
As for Cole himself, I have been a fan since meeting him in DAI, and he's my fav out of every character in all the DA games!
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#6149
Posté 24 mars 2015 - 02:49

The Hat!
#6150
Posté 27 mars 2015 - 10:01
I can't say I have any real interest in the DLC, especially at this price, but I listened to DanaDuchy's party comments video, and this one from Cole made me feel all warm and fuzzy:
"Yes. I am Compassion. I know that now. I want to be here."
Just hearing him state it so frankly, after his early demon-or-spirit worries, brings a big smile to my face ... and likewise with him wanting to be here.
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