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[KirstyLionheart]

I think in his case, he's unique.  So he may not be the leader of a faction or acclaimed, but even he isn't quite sure of his precise nature.

Yes, true. He's definitely unique.

I guess I'm just comparing his "position" to that of Vivienne, Grey Warden and Cassandra (maybe Dorian?), not to mention our NPCs (Cullen, Leliana.) and it gets me thinking that every one of our followers that we know of so far are pretty important people. Just makes me question.. why Cole? And I cannot wait to find out.

Still. I love Cole regardless and will look forward to bumping into him and recruiting him (:

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Cole was directly involved in the events leading up to the rebellion of the seekers/templars and he possibly killed Lambert. He's pretty plot intensive. I'm not sure many of our other companions have anything bigger to add, really. Just because people don't know he's important doesn't necessarily mean his contribution hasn't greatly changed the world as we know it.  

[dragondreamer]

Cole's a spirit powerful enough to manifest a physical human body; despite the childlike personality, I don't think he's small stuff where Fade entities are concerned.

 

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Imshael reminded me a little of Cole where his abilities were concerned.  He could manifest physically as a human, but he could also be non-corporeal.  He also uses the same stealth ability on Michel that Cole uses, calling it a Fade trick.  And as one of the Forbidden Ones, Imshael is among the most powerful demons.

[Bond]

What can i say about Cole.....I will kill his ass.

[BubbleDncr]

Only just read the last couple pages of this thread...but it's made me more interested in him, and I was otherwise not very interested in him beforehand. So, good job, you people.

[Faerah]

Fan art by Rustcastle

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

Cole's a spirit powerful enough to manifest a physical human body; despite the childlike personality, I don't think he's small stuff where Fade entities are concerned.
 
Masked Empire spoilers:
 

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Imshael reminded me a little of Cole where his abilities were concerned.  He could manifest physically as a human, but he could also be non-corporeal.  He also uses the same stealth ability on Michel that Cole uses, calling it a Fade trick.  And as one of the Forbidden Ones, Imshael is among the most powerful demons.

F*CK!!!

I think I just figured out what Cole is.

"Every companion is elite in their field"

And with that bit you just provided...

SUDDENLY IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[Faerah]

Cole's a spirit powerful enough to manifest a physical human body; despite the childlike personality, I don't think he's small stuff where Fade entities are concerned.

 

Masked Empire spoilers:

 

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Imshael reminded me a little of Cole where his abilities were concerned.  He could manifest physically as a human, but he could also be non-corporeal.  He also uses the same stealth ability on Michel that Cole uses, calling it a Fade trick.  And as one of the Forbidden Ones, Imshael is among the most powerful demons.

 

F*CK!!!

I think I just figured out what Cole is.

"Every companion is elite in their field"

And with that bit you just provided...

SUDDENLY IT ALL MAKES SENSE

I was intrigued with how similar Imshael's abilities and Cole's were too. Although if Cole is similar to Imshael, Cole had -no- idea how to control it as if he's a novice or something.

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

I was intrigued with how similar Imshael's abilities and Cole's were too. Although if Cole is similar to Imshael, Cole had -no- idea how to control it as if he's a novice or something.

I am thinking Cole may be

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The Formless One

I'll have to look for more evidence, but here is what I have so far...

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- We learn that The Forbidden Ones taught the Magisters Blood Magic. The Litany of Adralla works against Cole, as seen in Asunder when used by Lambert.
- So the next question is, why does Cole seem so "weak" then? If we are to judge anything by his title, The Formless One has no form of his own, and adopted that of Cole the Mage. It has been doing this so long it seems to have forgotten his identity up until the Epilogue.
- As stated by Cameron Lee, all the Companions are among the Elite. Which would leave to wonder where Cole fits among them. As the Unknown Factor in a group of Demons more ancient than the Darkspawn? Yes. I'll take him.
-Cole and Imshael's abilities seem remarkably similar, though that could simply be because they are Fade Entities.
- The Formless One has yet to be encountered, and very little has been mentioned compared to Gaxkang, Xenbenkek and Imshael.

I could be completely wrong, if anyone can debunk I'd be interested in reading it.

[dragondreamer]

I've thought about Cole potentially being the Formless One, but I don't think he was originally a demon from the way he described his meeting with the original Cole.  I like the theory he was originally a Hope spirit that corrupted into a Despair demon.  And WoT describes Hope spirits as being among the most powerful Fade entities.

 

As for Cole being a novice, I'd say so, but still not your average spirit.  He seemed to be getting the hang of his powers towards the end of Asunder.  He was even able to extend his stealth ability to cover Rhys as well as himself.  And that was when he still believed he was human...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

We mostly assume that the despair and hopelessness the real Cole faced corrupted the spirit we know as Cole, but it would be really interesting if Cole was a demon and the compassion he felt for Cole actually worked in the other direction, bringing him to a more humanized state. I do think it's more likely that he started as a spirit, though. 

[Divine Justinia V]

We mostly assume that the despair and hopelessness the real Cole faced corrupted the spirit we know as Cole, but it would be really interesting if Cole was a demon and the compassion he felt for Cole actually worked in the other direction, bringing him to a more humanized state. I do think it's more likely that he started as a spirit, though. 

 

Almost like Justice transitioning into Vengeance.

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

I've thought about Cole potentially being the Formless One, but I don't think he was originally a demon from the way he described his meeting with the original Cole.  I like the theory he was originally a Hope spirit that corrupted into a Despair demon.  And WoT describes Hope spirits as being among the most powerful Fade entities.
 
As for Cole being a novice, I'd say so, but still not your average spirit.  He seemed to be getting the hang of his powers towards the end of Asunder.  He was even able to extend his stealth ability to cover Rhys as well as himself.  And that was when he still believed he was human...

This was what I had been thinking (about a Spirit of Hope transitioning to a Despair Demon for awhile. Luckily I finally ordered a copy of WoT so I can read up on a lot of that (As nice as the Wiki is, it's nothing like having a hard copy. Just hadn't been able to afford it until now.)

You bring up a good point I didn't consider in my Formless One evaluation and that was the Spirit/Boy Cole inital meeting. I do get the feeling Cole may be an unreliable narrator given his memory lapses, but it is a section I will have to reread as I haven't read it since it was first released.

[Omikuji]

Oh it sounds like Masked Empire has some more interesting things then I thought it would have (I was having issues getting through the first chapter, it didn't exactly pull me in the same way Asunder did) I'll have to give it another shot now that I have the free time. That and I couldn't find a nice summary of it compared to Asunders.

 

I've heard mention that it talks a lot more about some other demon/spirit classes in there, and this Formless one thing sounds really nifty theory. Though if it's supposed to be some super demon thing, why would it hang out in the White Spire..? Probably need to look more up into these demons being mentioned, but I can't seem to find anything on them since the book isn't as old.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh it sounds like Masked Empire has some more interesting things then I thought it would have (I was having issues getting through the first chapter, it didn't exactly pull me in the same way Asunder did) I'll have to give it another shot now that I have the free time. That and I couldn't find a nice summary of it compared to Asunders.

 

I've heard mention that it talks a lot more about some other demon/spirit classes in there, and this Formless one thing sounds really nifty theory. Though if it's supposed to be some super demon thing, why would it hang out in the White Spire..? Probably need to look more up into these demons being mentioned, but I can't seem to find anything on them since the book isn't as old.

Hold up, which demon were you referring to?

 

And yes, definitely read up on the Forbidden Ones once you have finished the Masked Empire. I actually like TME a bit more than Asunder.

[Dragonborn]

How do you think Cole will act when we meet him? Will he still be child-like like he was with Rhys or how he was at the end of the book?

 

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[Faerah]

How do you think Cole will act when we meet him? Will he still be child-like like he was with Rhys or how he was at the end of the book?

 

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source: http://danaduchy.tumblr.com/

I'm willing to bet on his recruitment mission, he'll be quiet, mysterious, aloof, out of reach, what have you. And we're probably going to be pursuing him, or pursuing the same people he's going after. (I could be 100% wrong but yeah...)

 

Edit: I can almost imagine it being a lot like Legion's recruitment.

 

Edit edit: as to if he's like before or the end of the book or a mix of the two, my best guess would be on a mix.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Now that I think of it, the theory of Cole being the Formless one is quite nice.

Still, it doesn't make him  a child though;)

[Oasis_JS]

Now that I think of it, the theory of Cole being the Formless one is quite nice.

Still, it doesn't make him  a child though;)

yeah..formeless one..or some other type of spirit...  but also.. i keep thinking it's not Cole anymore right? isn't the spirit using the body now?  kind of lost..


but yeah, he is not child^^ Just a  very ambitions men..after what he went through in the jail cells and spirit saving him,

 By the way Shaen Mac Tir, ^^ Cool drawing of your qunari inquisitor.

[Former_Fiend]

So, completely unrelated to whatever discussion is going on at the moment, here are my thoughts on Cole;

 

I always got a very child like vibe from Cole. The way he experiences almost all of his emotions were the way a child experienced them; the shame, the fear, the determination. Everything he felt was felt as a child feels it, everything he did was done as a child would do it; both his honesty at admitting things he probably shouldn't, and the way he out and out threw tantrums out of fear of the templars, and how he tracked down Rhys to warn him of something that he would have been able to handle, anyway.

 

Even

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at the end of the book where he's apparently grown some backbone, realized what he is, and apparently kills Lambert, his actions struck me as those of a vindictive child striking back at their tormentor.

 

That being said, I had actually seen David Gaider refer to Cole as having the mentality of a child before I read the book, so I suppose I was looking at it through that lens.

 

I've been rather vocal about my opinion that Cole shouldn't be a companion. I think he's a very interesting character and I very much wanted him in the game, but I think too much needs to be changed in regards to his concept to make him work as a companion. I think he would have been a brilliant NPC, though.

[Isaidlunch]

I can't shake the feeling that book Cole really was the original Cole. People keep saying that Cole seemed much more mature in the epilogue and maybe there's more to it than him simply realising he's a spirit - maybe that wasn't the Cole from the rest of the book and it was the spirit temporarily taking control over him. There are a lot of issues with that theory, but the other possibilities raise some serious questions as well. Mainly, how was the body still growing if the spirit was just possessing a corpse? And if he wasn't using Cole's body, then how does he have his personality and memories? I also find it hard to believe that the spirit could sustain itself for so long in either scenario, since none of the murders happened until after meeting Rhys.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

That being said, I had actually seen David Gaider refer to Cole as having the mentality of a child before I read the book, so I suppose I was looking at it through that lens.

 

Maybe so, b/c I haven't had that vibe at all. He seemed pretty young to me, as 16-18 years old, and under-socialized due to known reasons, but a child? No, not really.

And in the end of the book, he seemed to regain his memories and become something else than a lost human.

By the way Shaen Mac Tir, ^^ Cool drawing of your qunari inquisitor.

 

It's not mine specifically, but thanks nonetheless

[Former_Fiend]

Still, just because going into the book aware of the author's intention made that intention stand out all the more clearly to me, doesn't change the fact that it was the author's intention for Cole to "functionally", as he put it, be a child. 

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I'm not arguing with the author's intention, I'm just saying that Cole didn't and doesn't seem a child to me. If he did, I wouldn't love him so much, I guess. But I awlays was interested in Fade creatures, so it was one of the reasons I became a bit obsessed

 

By the way, who you think will be voicing our One and Only Cole? My guess that Raphael Sbarge's voice would be quite fitting, since the book described his voice to be rather "rusty", as I recall. Your opinions?

[LazyNinjaArtist]

I'm not arguing with the author's intention, I'm just saying that Cole didn't and doesn't seem a child to me. If he did, I wouldn't love him so much, I guess. But I awlays was interested in Fade creatures, so it was one of the reasons I became a bit obsessed

 

By the way, who you think will be voicing our One and Only Cole? My guess that Raphael Sbarge's voice would be quite fitting, since the book described his voice to be rather "rusty", as I recall. Your opinions?

 

I think that would depend on his accent. I can only assume that it would be Orlesian, given that he had been in the White Spire for most of his "life". But then again, we don't know where Cole came from prior to going to the tower, and I could be completely wrong.

 

(Trying to imagine Sbarge with a French accent, and it's all very silly xD)