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[Shaen Mac Tir]

I can only assume that it would be Orlesian

 

Oh geez. I just imagined in my head Cole yelling to my Inquisitor: "YOU FERELDEN TURNIP!"

It's hilarious xD

[LazyNinjaArtist]

I'm sure we'll be hearing that little slur plenty of times throughout the game (if our Inquisitors are even from Fereldan)

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a familiar actor from Bioware' s history, although someone new to squeal over would be nice too   

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Bah! Everytime I think of romancing Cole I cannot help but remember this one

Spoiler

https://www.youtube....34E2EC1547A933E

sorry if I ruined you romantic mood =)

[ladyofpayne]

Cole is orlesian- he lived in Orlais.

[CENIC]

Evan Peters with a French accent?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't see Cole's targeting Lambert as vindictive or childish. It makes absolute sense that he would kill Lambert. Cole sides with the mages, that's where all his alliances are. Any adult on the mage side would take Lambert out given the slightest chance. It's the best way to delay the attack he was planning on Andoral's Reach and halt the plans he'd laid out to depose the Divine and bring the circles back in order. Lambert is also the only one that can sense Cole, which makes him a real threat. Maybe the only real threat in the White Spire.

 

Although, honestly, I think him covering up the original Cole's death, which Cole at least believes to be true, and being responsible for Cole's best friend's mother's death is enough to make it personal, even without childlike reasoning. 

 

To be honest, though, I didn't see much childish about Cole. He had a very alien sort of reasoning. His social anxiety was not really that child like. Most children don't have the self awareness to worry that they're going to bug the adults with too many dumb questions. Most don't feel reluctant to insert themselves in conversations, especially if they're feral kids that weren't taught not to. Cole is also way too selfless for me to see him as a childlike mind. I can't imagine a child having the level of self-sacrificial idealism that Cole has. A child that saw Rhys as a father, or older brother, would hide behind him in intense situations. They would expect protection. Cole is always the first to throw himself in danger to protect Rhys. 

 

Cole clearly has very little knowledge of how the world works and how to operate in social situations, but that's a lot different than actually being a child. Cole read to me as something inhuman trying to learn to be human. He didn't read as a human child to me, at all. 

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I totally agree with you here Mort. That's why I see it as unfair to not let us at least try to romance him...

[CENIC]

He had a very alien sort of reasoning.

Cole clearly has very little knowledge of how the world works and how to operate in social situations, but that's a lot different than actually being a child. Cole read to me as something inhuman trying to learn to be human. He didn't read as a human child to me, at all.

I wish I could give a post more than one Like.
"Inhuman" is just as valid an interpretation of Cole's behavior as "child."

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

When I read the book, I got the feeling he was more socially awkward than childlike. His reactions (or lack thereof) to sexual situations were as such because he was uneducated.

IE: If a child is never disciplined they will grow never knowing shame.

[Former_Fiend]

When I read the book, I got the feeling he was more socially awkward than childlike. His reactions (or lack thereof) to sexual situations were as such because he was uneducated.

IE: If a child is never disciplined they will grow never knowing shame.

 

http://forum.bioware...ons/?p=15819327

 

http://forum.bioware...ons/?p=15819456

 

Physically, Cole is an adult. Mentally, he is not. He does not understand sex, much as a child would not, and this is explicitly stated in the book.

 

Yeah, one should not really equate naiveté (or whatever other personality characteristics you consider immature) with Cole. It's explicitly stated that Cole sees people in the tower having sex, and doesn't understand it--there's no concept of arousal, not to mention the social under-development he otherwise displays.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

We weren't talking about having sex, we were talking about feelings like love.

They should be distinguished.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The issue of Cole's sexuality is a lot more complicated than just maybe having a childlike mind. An adult human with a functioning body and mental impairment would still experience sexual arousal. Kids don't hit puberty when they understand it. Even at the 12 years the original Cole was, he probably would have had some vague concept of sex and romantic inclinations. Cole's mental state and his sexuality are two different issues. I'm inclined to think his lack of sexual arousal is tied to the fact that he's not human or even a race that typically has corporeal form.    

[Former_Fiend]

Given that Cole experiences everything as a child does, I have to imagine that any feelings of love he'd feel would be those a child feels; love for a parent, or a sibling.

[Former_Fiend]

The issue of Cole's sexuality is a lot more complicated than just maybe having a childlike mind. An adult human with a functioning body and mental impairment would still experience sexual arousal. Kids don't hit puberty when they understand it. Even at the 12 years the original Cole was, he probably would have had some vague concept of sex and romantic inclinations. Cole's mental state and his sexuality are two different issues. I'm inclined to think his lack of sexual arousal is tied to the fact that he's not human or even a race that typically has corporeal form.    

 

I honestly think the twelve year old number, which I haven't seen officially stated, is an overestimation. Cole doesn't behave like a twelve year old. He behaves more like a five or six year old.  

[Grieving Natashina]

Trust me Fiend, that's been linked a few times, and folks have their headcannon.  You know how it is.

 

On topic: First, I have always liked Cole since before I read Asunder.  I liked him even more so after, so while he's not my first or second character choice from Asunder, he's at least interesting.  Also, as others have pointed out, he fills the role of "other" that Dog/Shale/Kristoff(Justice)/Anders did.  He brings out maternal feelings in me and a desire to help him.  I look forward to checking out the dialogue options with him.

 

I've always had mixed feelings about Cole coming into Inquisition.  I'm just wondering how they are going to handle his story.  It took a great deal of Asunder to explain most of what/who/why Cole is, and while I trust the writers, that seems like a mess to have in game.  Still, he's interesting and seems to be a nice person with noble goals, so I do look forward to his inclusion.

 

It's really the gameplay mechanics that will determine how often I use him.  Since I generally play rogues, I'm unlikely using Cole the first time around, unless I go archer.  Even then, I'd have to see the state of dual wielding rogues in the game before I can say whether or not he'd be on Team Benchwarmer.  If dual wielding rogues are as solid in this game as they were in others, then I'd have no problem running around Thedas with Cole.  I'll just wait and see.  

[Milan92]

 

It's really the gameplay mechanics that will determine how often I use him.  Since I generally play rogues, I'm unlikely using Cole the first time around, unless I go archer.  Even then, I'd have to see the state of dual wielding rogues in the game before I can say whether or not he'd be on Team Benchwarmer.  If dual wielding rogues are as solid in this game as they were in others, then I'd have no problem running around Thedas with Cole.  I'll just wait and see.  

 

I can already see him with a huge sign that says "Go Inquisitor!" and cheering, while watching from the sidelines

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I honestly think the twelve year old number, which I haven't seen officially stated, is an overestimation. Cole doesn't behave like a twelve year old. He behaves more like a five or six year old.  

Rhys and Evangeline see the "real" Cole as a memory in the fade and they say he looks around 12. 

 

But my point is, Cole's mentally resembling a child wouldn't effect how his body would react. I'm not saying it would be right to romance a mentally handicapped person if he could get an erection. What I'm saying is that his mental capacity for reason is not what would control his physical response. It has to be something more complicated than that.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I can already see him with a huge sign that says "Go Inquisitor!" and cheering, while watching from the sidelines

I picture him in Invisible Mode, only with huge pom-poms.  

 

 

"We've got spirit, yes we do!"

"We've got spirit, how 'bout you?"

 

In any case, I'm curious about how they are going to handle his story and I look forward to my Lady Cadash meeting him when the time comes.  

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I honestly think the twelve year old number, which I haven't seen officially stated, is an overestimation. Cole doesn't behave like a twelve year old. He behaves more like a five or six year old.  

 

Ehm... Wasn't he 12 when he died? I guess this was the personality the other "Cole" copied into itself.

But then again, I think Mort is right - he doesn't seem childlike, he seems... alien.

It has to be something more complicated than that.  

 

That's right. Either he is asexual (which I totally agree with), or he is something completely non-human, which I approve even more. Either way, I'm excited to learn it.

[Former_Fiend]

I must have missed that line; I no longer have a copy of Asunder so I couldn't go back and check.

[dragondreamer]

I think that would depend on his accent. I can only assume that it would be Orlesian, given that he had been in the White Spire for most of his "life". But then again, we don't know where Cole came from prior to going to the tower, and I could be completely wrong.

 

(Trying to imagine Sbarge with a French accent, and it's all very silly xD)

 

The original Cole's mother was a Wilder (Chasind, I assume), so it might be whatever a Chasind accent is.

[XMissWooX]

Assuming that the real Cole died around age 12, and it was at that point which the spirit/demon/entity took on the identity of 'Cole', I find it interesting that he is described as looking around 20 at the end of the book.
It suggests that he has (subconsciously?) aged his physical appearance as the years went by, trying to make it correspond to his believed age. It seems like he was trying to emulate a real human's growth pattern, without realising he was doing it.

[Faerah]

Fan art by Rustcastle

[Lady Sif]

I don't know if this has been posted yet sorry if it has. Fan art by orisoni:

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's one of my favorite pieces so far. It really looks like how I'd have imagined him in Asunder, even the clothes.