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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd like Solas to bug Cole with questions about things like the Fade or him being a spirit. 

[illymiel]

I was trying to draw ugly Cole and failed.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I've been thinking why are there so many Cullen fans and so few Cole fans?.. I mean, Cole is pretty handsome too. Or is it because Gaider said he wouldn't be romanceable?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've been thinking why are there so many Cullen fans and so few Cole fans?.. I mean, Cole is pretty handsome too. Or is it because Gaider said he wouldn't be romanceable?

Cullen has been in two games so everyone has experienced him in at least DA2.

Cole has been in a novel which not nearly as many have read and we have yet to experience him ingame. 

 

Just my guess as to why.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

So, theoretically, we may see a whole new lot of Cole fans after DAI has been released?

[XMissWooX]

I've been thinking why are there so many Cullen fans and so few Cole fans?.. I mean, Cole is pretty handsome too. Or is it because Gaider said he wouldn't be romanceable?

Possibly because a lot of fans judge a character by more than their physical appearance or their LI potential?



I'm just saying that people won't necessarily like a character just because they're 'handsome' (and even that is subjective, since I don't find him so).

[Omikuji]

Like others have said, Cullen has had two games to appear in and has been out of reach fruit with scenes that show him being complex and interesting, yet never got the chance to actually know him.

 

My friend who had adored him since the first game said because he was sweet and she wanted to know more about him since he was also rather pretty. Different too. 

 

I can see it, Cole is going to be a love or hate character while Cullen has the ability to be a middle of the road with how people latch onto him. You can already see just from the book, Cole has this really thick line of love or hate. There are people who cannot stand Coles type of 'moody'. While Cole may be handsome, we have no images of him in reality. Just the one screenshot of him at the table. No concept, no in game shots, not even a confirmation that it's even him from the developers. There is no info on him other then the book and no physical images of him.

 

I know I'm not going to be all that thrilled if there are the rabid fans. I like just being able to talk about him and theorize, not a big fan of 'squeeing' over him. Then the complaints of him not being an LI if that's still a thing... he's more then a pretty face you guys comon D:

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Like others have said, Cullen has had two games to appear in and has been out of reach fruit with scenes that show him being complex and interesting, yet never got the chance to actually know him.

 

My friend who had adored him since the first game said because he was sweet and she wanted to know more about him since he was also rather pretty. Different too. 

 

I can see it, Cole is going to be a love or hate character while Cullen has the ability to be a middle of the road with how people latch onto him. You can already see just from the book, Cole has this really thick line of love or hate. There are people who cannot stand Coles type of 'moody'. While Cole may be handsome, we have no images of him in reality. Just the one screenshot of him at the table. No concept, no in game shots, not even a confirmation that it's even him from the developers. There is no info on him other then the book and no physical images of him.

 

I know I'm not going to be all that thrilled if there are the rabid fans. I like just being able to talk about him and theorize, not a big fan of 'squeeing' over him. Then the complaints of him not being an LI if that's still a thing... he's more then a pretty face you guys comon D:

I'd say Cullen has quite a bunch of love or hate going on as well. 

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I'm not saying that being pretty or ugly is all that matters. Maybe you guys got me wrong here.

Anyway, I love Cole not just for his looks. And honestly, before the screenshot, I imagined him to be less... hm... handsome. Still, it's not why I love him. It's his personality in the book that astonished me.

As for Cullen, I think his looks and being a romance in DAI made him so popular. But I may be wrong.

[byeshoe]

guh..I don't know whether to say that cole deserves more fans or to just keep...my big mouth shut xD cuz, I've never even read Asunder. i've seen small snippets of it but screw that. Cole interests me because he is a fade spirit inside of a human body. how is this background not intriguing?? XD

you darling Cole fans, you guys know a glimpse of his personality and how and why he is the way that he is. for an outsider like myself, I just know that he kills people who were already prepared to die, and that he is very innocent.

xD I honestly visit/lurk in this thread because i know that I would be a cole fan if I've ever read Asunder. cole is cute, and is handsome, but dat solas...  

[Leoroc]

Like others have said, Cullen has had two games to appear in and has been out of reach fruit with scenes that show him being complex and interesting, yet never got the chance to actually know him.

 

My friend who had adored him since the first game said because he was sweet and she wanted to know more about him since he was also rather pretty. Different too. 

 

I can see it, Cole is going to be a love or hate character while Cullen has the ability to be a middle of the road with how people latch onto him. You can already see just from the book, Cole has this really thick line of love or hate. There are people who cannot stand Coles type of 'moody'. While Cole may be handsome, we have no images of him in reality. Just the one screenshot of him at the table. No concept, no in game shots, not even a confirmation that it's even him from the developers. There is no info on him other then the book and no physical images of him.

 

I know I'm not going to be all that thrilled if there are the rabid fans. I like just being able to talk about him and theorize, not a big fan of 'squeeing' over him. Then the complaints of him not being an LI if that's still a thing... he's more then a pretty face you guys comon D:

Amazing how many people hate Cole's "moodiness" when Fenris was 100x worse.

[Omikuji]

Amazing how many people hate Cole's "moodiness" when Fenris was 100x worse.

Oh my goodness I remember people having such a fit over Fenris and even to this day he's a very split in the love or hate situation. I really adored Fenris' character but can see why people can really not like him at all. Cole I can see as well, I think I talked about it earlier in the thread but the short version is that there are people who don't have the patients for his depiction in the book being weak willed... and also people seem very against demons in the DA fandom. Like, wont tolerate even a second of them, or at least the ones I have seen when they talk about Cole.  

 

I'd say Cullen has quite a bunch of love or hate going on as well. 

Is there? I generally only seen a lot of love for him. I can barely remember him at all and only recently did the Dragon Age Origins mage tower event with a female mage to see his event. I thought it was interesting, but beyond that...

[SnakeCode]

Spoiler

I'm guessing being a serial killer also makes your popularity take a bit of a hit.

[Omikuji]

Spoiler

I'm guessing being a serial killer also makes your popularity take a bit of a hit.

Not true, after all, Anders is still popular last I checked. 

 

Oh and Zevran. 

 

And the other characters that kill which is everyone in the parties. 

[Gwydden]

Spoiler

I'm guessing being a serial killer also makes your popularity take a bit of a hit.

I guess. But it seems strange to me considering a lot if not most of our companions in previous game could qualify as killers. Cole's kill count by the end of Asunder only reaches a grand total of ten people, and I find his killings far more justifiable than some others we have seen. I can't help shake the feeling people have some strange double standard when they want to burn him at the stake for it.

God I'm so going to hell.

I think Cole would approve.

[Faerah]

Spoiler

I'm guessing being a serial killer also makes your popularity take a bit of a hit.

 

I guess. But it seems strange to me considering a lot if not most of our companions in previous game could qualify as killers. Cole's kill count by the end of Asunder only reaches a grand total of ten people, and I find his killings far more justifiable than some others we have seen. I can't help shake the feeling people have some strange double standard when they want to burn him in the stake for it.

I think Cole would approve.

Hm, lets see. Isabela killed at least one boatful of slaves to save herself from Orlesian authority. Sten killed villagers, including Bethany's friend. Zevran was an assassin. Anders killed whatever clergy was in the chantry. All these characters killed innocents, and I'm probably forgetting a few companions that also killed innocents. In my opinion Cole isn't that bad in the scale of very morally questionable acts companions have done. lol

[Gwydden]

Hm, lets see. Isabela killed at least one boatful of slaves to save herself from Orlesian authority. Sten killed villagers, including Bethany's friend. Zevran was an assassin. Anders killed whatever clergy was in the chantry. All these characters killed innocents, and I'm probably forgetting a few companions that also killed innocents. In my opinion Cole isn't that bad in the scale of very morally questionable acts companions have done. lol

Just so. Even characters you wouldn't expect commit very questionable acts. Oghren just killed a guy in plain sight for no good reason, and Fenris butchered the ones who took him in when he first escaped Danarius.

[Faerah]

I just want to point out for all the people that think Cole is a no-go just because he's possibly a demon: not all "monsters" are evil, just as not all humans are good. Flemeth has a pretty good quote about something along these lines...

"Men's hearts hold shadows darker than any tainted creature."

 

 

[SnakeCode]

I agree that there is somewhat of a double standard. I don't think that any previous party members are in quite the same situation.

 

Zevran- Is an assassin, killing is his line of work, he isn't going around killing people out of a twisted notion of mercy or because he thinks he's going to disappear otherwise. He doesn't seem to be all to emotional about the loss of life, save his own. He seems to get away with it more than he arguably should, likely due to his humour.

 

Sten- Closest comparison we have to Cole imo, murdered a family in cold blood. Many leave him in the cage where they found him, and he doesn't exactly have the cult following Cole does either.

 

Anders- Murders innocents inside the chantry, as well as that mage girl if you don't stop him. He is adored and vilified in equal measure.

 

I think most of our party (though leaving a huge body count in their wake) mostly kill in self defence. They tend to be more reactive rather than proactive as far as killing goes.

 

I think Cole will have a large number of the fan base who will grow to love him, and a portion of the fanbase who won't. I doubt you will find any character that we've met in the games OR novels that is universally liked. Cole is just like any other character in this regard.

 

You can't deny that Cole will divide people just as a result of what he is, and the things he has done. I for one don't see a problem with that.

[Gwydden]

I just want to point out for all the people that think Cole is a no-go just because he's possibly a demon: not all "monsters" are evil, just as not all humans are good. Flemeth has a pretty good quote about something along these lines...

This quote was made in reference to Loghain and the darkspawn, but I think it's just as easily applicable to Lambert and Cole in Asunder. What a gigantic jerk.

[Ammonite]

Just so. Even characters you wouldn't expect commit very questionable acts. Oghren just killed a guy in plain sight for no good reason, and Fenris butchered the ones who took him in when he first escaped Danarius.

While I both agree and rather like Cole, my guess is people find Cole's killings less predictable or controllable? Might also be our desensitization to mass murderers (many dead simultaneously), while serial killers still hold some creepiness factor? Just spitballing here.

Edit: Also, what SnakeCode said.

[Gwydden]

I think Cole will have a large number of the fan base who will grow to love him, and a portion of the fanbase who won't. I doubt you will find any character that we've met in the games OR novels that is universally liked. Cole is just like any other character in this regard.

 

You can't deny that Cole will divide people just as a result of what he is, and the things he has done. I for one don't see a problem with that.

Oh, I know. It is inevitable that some people are going to dislike a character, as much as it is inevitable that some are going to like him/her. That doesn't bother me. What I find somewhat baffling is that many are willing to bring up attenuating circumstances in the cases of Sten and Zevran, which if they weren't fictional I would find completely unjustifiable, and ignore the ones in Cole's. He kills only people who want to die, arguably for self-preservation (or so he believes).

 

And what I find most important, as an outsider he doesn't really have any references when it comes to morality. He's trying to be human but has no way to know what that means. For that very same reason he eavesdrops private conversation or spies on people while they're undressing and doesn't even think that could possibly be wrong... until someone points it out. Then he feels guilty and, apparently, stops doing it, just as he stopped killing when he was called out on it.

[SnakeCode]

Oh, I know. It is inevitable that some people are going to dislike a character, as much as it is inevitable that some are going to like him/her. That doesn't bother me. What I find somewhat baffling is that many are willing to bring up attenuating circumstances in the cases of Sten and Zevran, which if they weren't fictional I would find completely unjustifiable, and ignore the ones in Cole's. He kills only people who want to die, arguably for self-preservation (or so he believes).

 

And what I find most important, as an outsider he doesn't really have any references when it comes to morality. He's trying to be human but has no way to know what that means. For that very same reason he eavesdrops private conversation or spies on people while they're undressing and doesn't even think that could possibly be wrong... until someone points it out. Then he feels guilty and, apparently, stops doing it, just as he stopped killing when he was called out on it.

I think the fact that Cole IS some form of fade entity is why so many are willing to cut him some slack and give him the benefit of the doubt. 

 

I think if if he turned out to just be a regular human (mage) by the end of Asunder. Then killing people because he thought he might otherwise disappear becomes very creepy, and almost Quentin-like (though killing for different reasons.) Oh, don't get me wrong, he'd still have his defenders though. I think the fact that he doesn't really have any understanding of morality is a big reason why so many are willing to forgive.

 

On him stopping the killing though, I talked a bit about this in the other Cole thread. I do believe a big part of him stopping was because it was Rhys who told him to stop. I don't think he'd do it for just anyone. I think he did it more because he didn't want to lose Rhys (who he's practically living for at that point) and end up all alone again. I don't think he stopped murdering people because he learned it was wrong. Iirc, he even goes on to murder again, slitting templars throats to break Rhys out of his cell.

[XMissWooX]

Amazing how many people hate Cole's "moodiness" when Fenris was 100x worse.

I think perhaps a part of it is that some men and women think that men should be masculine. They should never cry or be sad or scared, they should only ever be aggressive and stoic. Any male who doesn't fit this ideal is a 'Wuss'. Others are strongly drawn towards sympathetic characters, and the former don't like popular characters for some reason.

 

Just so. Even characters you wouldn't expect commit very questionable acts. Oghren just killed a guy in plain sight for no good reason, and Fenris butchered the ones who took him in when he first escaped Danarius.

I wonder if it has something to do with the platform - DAO, DAA, DA2 and DAI are games, so we usually *see* people getting killed, in a context where people are getting killed all the time (in combat). Whereas Asunder is a novel, so we *read* (in far more detail) about people getting killed, in a context where people don't really get killed all that often (and when they are, it's usually glossed over with sentences like "cutting through the swathes" to mean killing 10 people).

E.g. Cole's first killing is described in vivid detail, from the thrust of the knife into her chest to the light leaving her eyes. Animations and cinematics in the games can't show this level of detail.

So killing may *seem* worse when Cole does it in a novel than when Fenris does it in a game.