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[KirstyLionheart]

I don't find anything wrong with that, how you perceive him I mean. It's just all the descriptions we've been given contradict that....so yeah.
Platonic relationship sounds good to me....like baby steps training wheels etc for human contact. But the people who want to "teach cole how to love ;)" and etc.....feels
Like my mind has been bad touched.

Lol I really can't blame you for feeling that way after what was said by Gaider and you aren't wrong. But my perceptions of Cole and how I see him seem to override what was said.. and I honestly feel like a lot could have changed since he said that. Time will tell, I'm sure (:

[efd731]

Did we just have a civil discussion on the internet with opposing viewpoints? Yep! (Think step brothers)

[Former_Fiend]

I'm the first to argue Death of the Author in regards to perception and interpretation of a work(see any discussion I've ever had regarding The Calling and Alistair's parentage), but I'm not about to argue the sky is green when it's blue.

 

I've called Gaider out when he's missed the mark with characters before, but by my reading, he hit the nail on the head when it comes to portraying Cole as having the mentality of a child. 

[Frikipolleces]

I'm more curious about if the Cole we'll see in DA:I is the same we "saw" in Asunder. He seemed to have remember/recover in the epilogue, and the way he spoke is hardly that of a child.

[Former_Fiend]

The action is similar to a vindictive child who finally has power over his bully, though.

[KirstyLionheart]

The action is similar to a vindictive child who finally has power over his bully, though.

Or like any person of any age confronting a "bully".

I see no evidence of his actions being more child-like than not.

[phyreblade74]

He comes off more like the character of Blizz in SWTOR, at least to me.  Somewhat cute, rather innocent when dealing with experiences, places and people he doesn't know, terribly afraid of those he perceives as mean or cruel, and exceptionally clingy when it comes to his friends.  At least that's what I think of a "child-like" character who isn't necessarily a child, shrug.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm more curious about if the Cole we'll see in DA:I is the same we "saw" in Asunder. He seemed to have remember/recover in the epilogue, and the way he spoke is hardly that of a child.

 

Yeah, I agree completely. That final chapter is the reason I felt very confident that Cole would be in the game and would be a LI. Imagine my surprise when DG expressed such disgust for fans like me! If it HAD been "obvious" that Cole were a child, then no way would I have been into romancing him  But for many people, it clearly was not "obvious."

[efd731]

Yeah, I agree completely. That final chapter is the reason I felt very confident that Cole would be in the game and would be a LI. Imagine my surprise when DG expressed such disgust for fans like me! If it HAD been "obvious" that Cole were a child, then no way would I have been into romancing him But for many people, it clearly was not "obvious."

a complete lack of context and zero understanding of human norms. Literally has to be told that murder (along with other actions) is bad. If those aren't childlike traits I'll eat my hat. Sure he can walk and talk and feel, but that's so he is a functioning character. He looks at sex and has zero comprehension(he can see the actions, but understands nothing). Gaider wrote the character with a certain image in mind and I think he achieved that. And after he articulated that, how can you be shocked that he's a little disgusted?

[KirstyLionheart]

I kind of just want to backtrack a bit since I feel like this thread has attracted a lot of attention and opinions that are negative in regards to Cole - as a romance. I'd just like to say, that while platonic romance with Cole would be a beautiful thing to some of us (if his character was mentally ready for it), it's not the most important thing here. He is loved by some, including myself, because of his character... his mannerisms and for varying other reasons from person to person.

Yes it has been discussed how attractive they made him, and this has triggered lots of talk of romance and his appearance etc, but I don't want people to generalise and come here to air negative and hostile opinions because of it. I want it to be known that Cole is adored as a character, before anything else. If there was no romance with Cole, I wouldn't be gutted. Yeah I'd be delighted if his character was ready for that sort of thing. I'll just be happy to find out more about him as a person. Who he feels he is. What goes on in his head. Just felt like that needed to be said since that is the main negative vibe I'm picking up on and where most of the disgust and heated debates stem from .

[efd731]

^^^^hear hear. That's all we anyone can ask for.

[Wolfen09]

its a discussion and speculation thread, people can hate on him here if they wish.....  too bad the problem i have is with cullen and not cole...

[KirstyLionheart]

its a discussion and speculation thread, people can hate on him here if they wish.....  too bad the problem i have is with cullen and not cole...

Never said people can't post their own opinions and hate on him. I just said I didn't want the hate to stem from what his fans have spoken about (and been misconceived).

And hey. I'm guilty. I love Cullen.

[Frikipolleces]

a complete lack of context and zero understanding of human norms. Literally has to be told that murder (along with other actions) is bad. If those aren't childlike traits I'll eat my hat. Sure he can walk and talk and feel, but that's so he is a functioning character. He looks at sex and has zero comprehension(he can see the actions, but understands nothing). Gaider wrote the character with a certain image in mind and I think he achieved that. And after he articulated that, how can you be shocked that he's a little disgusted?

 

I never thought of Cole as a child, more like an adult (teen?) with mental problems.

 

He had amnesia, that's the first thing you learn about him. He can't remember who he is or how he ended in the tower. But an adult with amnesia is not a child. Not knowing or understanding laws or morals doesn't make you a child either. If you pick any adult and send him to a foreign country, he will most certainly not understand some of their customs. Hell, look at Morrigan in Origins, she finds ridiculous half the things you take for granted (maternal love, good manners, sympathy...). Is she any less of an adult for that?

 

I don't think he doesn't undestand sex either. He may not be interested in it, but that's a different matter. I can't remember, but, doesn't he  feel embarrassed when Evangeline finds out he saw her nude? Which means that, even if it wasn't a sexual act for him, he knows it could be considered sexual.

[KirstyLionheart]

I never thought of Cole as a child, more like an adult (teen?) with mental problems.

 

He had amnesia, that's the first thing you learn about him. He can't remember who he is or how he ended in the tower. But an adult with amnesia is not a child. Not knowing or understanding laws or morals doesn't make you a child either. If you pick any adult and send him to a foreign country, he will most certainly not understand some of their customs. Hell, look at Morrigan in Origins, she finds ridiculous half the things you take for granted (maternal love, good manners, sympathy...). Is she any less of an adult for that?

 

I don't think he doesn't undestand sex either. He may not be interested in it, but that's a different matter. I can't remember, but, doesn't he  feel embarrassed when Evangeline finds out he saw her nude? Which means that, even if it wasn't a sexual act for him, he knows it could be considered sexual.

Exactly.

And while we're on the subject, I feel he acts how any confused, socially inexperienced and isolated person would. Another thing that occurred to me.. if he WAS/became Cole (a young man), and he harboured his memories, wouldn't he feel the emotions and urges that a man of Cole's age would? (not being rude.. just pointing out the obvious). It's like someone with a mental illness.. depression, anxiety or something of the like, where they become numb to certain emotions and feelings, including sexual ones. Saying that, I think I'd be happier with a pure platonic romance that didn't involve anything sexual, unless his character was emotionally/mentally prepared and ready for that,

But, we could argue this point forever because the character was clearly written to divide opinions and provoke debate. (:

[Faerah]

Fan art by Aimo

[Solas]

^ OHHHH

ohhh

ohh my gooooood that is so CUUUUUUUUUUTE

 

that's it

i'm done

i'm exiting this world happy

[XMissWooX]

Ultimately, I don't think it really matters whether you perceived Cole to be 'childlike' or not. If Gaider says he is functionally a child, then he is functionally a child. Nobody knows a character better than their writer.

If you want a platonic romance with a mature Cole, then good for you, but bear in mind that right now that character doesn't actually seem to exist.



On a related note, I'm rather hoping Cole does mature mentally for DAI. I would feel a little uncomfortable watching someone with a child-like understanding of the world slitting people's throats. It was one thing to read it in the books, but another to be the one to give the command.

[BubbleDncr]

I kind of just want to backtrack a bit since I feel like this thread has attracted a lot of attention and opinions that are negative in regards to Cole - as a romance. I'd just like to say, that while platonic romance with Cole would be a beautiful thing to some of us (if his character was mentally ready for it), it's not the most important thing here. He is loved by some, including myself, because of his character... his mannerisms and for varying other reasons from person to person.

Yes it has been discussed how attractive they made him, and this has triggered lots of talk of romance and his appearance etc, but I don't want people to generalise and come here to air negative and hostile opinions because of it. I want it to be known that Cole is adored as a character, before anything else. If there was no romance with Cole, I wouldn't be gutted. Yeah I'd be delighted if his character was ready for that sort of thing. I'll just be happy to find out more about him as a person. Who he feels he is. What goes on in his head. Just felt like that needed to be said since that is the main negative vibe I'm picking up on and where most of the disgust and heated debates stem from .

 

"In short, with genuine platonic love, the beautiful or lovely other person inspires the mind and the soul and directs one's attention to spiritual things."

http://en.wikipedia....i/Platonic_love

 

There's nothing that Cole would need to be mentally ready for in a true platonic love. It would entirely be on the Inquisitor. Unless Cole decides to take the Inquisitor as his role model or something. But I don't think that needs to be anything for than the full friendship path with Cole, plus whatever emotions you experience as the player.

 

Sticking the word "romance" in there implies that you want something more than platonic love - which I doubt you're going to get.

[KirstyLionheart]

"In short, with genuine platonic love, the beautiful or lovely other person inspires the mind and the soul and directs one's attention to spiritual things."

http://en.wikipedia....i/Platonic_love

 

There's nothing that Cole would need to be mentally ready for in a true platonic love. It would entirely be on the Inquisitor. Unless Cole decides to take the Inquisitor as his role model or something. But I don't think that needs to be anything for than the full friendship path with Cole, plus whatever emotions you experience as the player.

 

Sticking the word "romance" in there implies that you want something more than platonic love - which I doubt you're going to get.

Been using romance as a loose DA term. And if you want to get all factual, "Platonic - (of love or friendship) intimate and affectionate but not sexual." And that is EXACTLY what I mean, and have meant the last 100 times I used the word.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't think he doesn't undestand sex either. He may not be interested in it, but that's a different matter. I can't remember, but, doesn't he  feel embarrassed when Evangeline finds out he saw her nude? Which means that, even if it wasn't a sexual act for him, he knows it could be considered sexual.

 

People always point to this scene as proof that Cole is a child with no sex drive (I think even DG mentions it), but me in all my nutty inclusiveness first read this scene and simply immediately assumed that he was gay. 

 

I mean if I were invisible and stuck in a woman's room while she was getting dressed it would have like 0% impact on me, except I'd feel a little guilty for invading her privacy without her knowing. But otherwise I'd just be like, sh!t I'm trapped lol

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think he doesn't undestand sex either. He may not be interested in it, but that's a different matter. I can't remember, but, doesn't he  feel embarrassed when Evangeline finds out he saw her nude? Which means that, even if it wasn't a sexual act for him, he knows it could be considered sexual.

I always saw it as he was more embarrassed that he invaded her personal space and found out. He watched mages have sex and felt neither urges or embarrassed by that. 

[illymiel]

All our hopes and speculations in DG hands.

 

For now, seeing in that screenshot a full grown mature man without bald head or mustache, only words I can say " Wow, such a nice boy we have in our party, can we romance him?"

 

If I will see Cole in game, act like a kid, do stupid things, and his personality will be so different from his looks, I will probably looks like this.

[CuriousArtemis]

For now, seeing in that screenshot a full grown mature man without bald head or mustache, only words I can say " Wow, such a nice boy we have in our party, can we romance him?"

 

LOL I know, right? What did they expect?

[illymiel]

LOL I know, right? What did they expect?

 

I was looking for that answer for 3 weeks now. I hope game release or some more info about characters will answer that.