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i dont think the tarzan argument applies at all, tarzan was raised as a gorilla, not as a human.... cole continuously thought he was human, so to compare him to someone who has no sense of being human in the first place is a little unfair to tarzan

Then how about the romance between Dren and Clive in Splice?

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all kinds of ***** up!



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From First look: Halamshiral

 

 

 

"The civil war is now at an impasse," explains level designer Chris Corfe. "The faction leaders are at a peace talk at the Winter Palace in Halamshiral, a magnificent Orlesian structure built on ancient elven grounds. The Inquisition is here to find and stop an assassin."

 While I doubt the assassin is Cole, it's still possible. Especially if Lambert is still around and kicking and he's one of those faction leaders there for some reason.



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Completely random, but I've been trying to think who Asunder-Cole reminds me of..and I finally realised who. (duh).
Fillan Mccarthy aka The Robber from AC3.
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His shaggy, moody look. His dextrous and agile combat style. (: This is who I saw in my head during his little conflict with Lambert. :wub:


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It's being speculated that companions are in this concept art.

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If they are there, then Cole might be the one closest; on the bottom right.

 

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While I doubt the assassin is Cole, it's still possible. Especially if Lambert is still around and kicking and he's one of those faction leaders there for some reason.

It's hard for me to imagine that Cole failed to finish Lambert off. Cole had Lambert. I'm guessing that the Lord Seeker met far more gruesome fate than those poor mages. Maybe that's why his remains were never found.



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It's hard for me to imagine that Cole failed to finish Lambert off. Cole had Lambert. I'm guessing that the Lord Seeker met far more gruesome fate than those poor mages. Maybe that's why his remains were never found.

Or Lambert, as the Lord Seeker, has some tricks up his sleave and wouldn't be slain by a mere demon. Since he can recite the Litany to disorient Cole for the few moments he needs to grab his sword, and once that happens Cole is done. Cole wasn't shown to have dramatic fighting ability, he makes up for that by being invisible. I doubt Lambert will just disappear, he might be dead, but I would bet serious money that we will have a story arc involving him (or his corpse).



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(or his corpse).

Now that would be a twist. )) But you're right, maybe I've read too much into it. Cole caught Lambert with his pants down—literally—but it's totally possible that uncertainty was deliberate on the author's part. It's more dramatic that way, but it also provides possibilities.

 

It's just I like to think that Lambert is done, is all. ))



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Or Lambert, as the Lord Seeker, has some tricks up his sleave and wouldn't be slain by a mere demon. Since he can recite the Litany to disorient Cole for the few moments he needs to grab his sword, and once that happens Cole is done. Cole wasn't shown to have dramatic fighting ability, he makes up for that by being invisible. I doubt Lambert will just disappear, he might be dead, but I would bet serious money that we will have a story arc involving him (or his corpse).


While I don't disagree with you, I would like to point out that Cole had his dagger held right up against Lambert's throat.
It would take him about 0.5 seconds to simply slash his blade across Lambert's throat, thus killing him. I can't imagine anyone being able to even begin to recite the Litany of Adralla in 0.5 seconds. You might get the first word out, if you were lucky, but a slit throat would quickly damper your ability to continue the verse.
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it's nbd if lambert survived because I will kill that jerk in inquisition


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I liked Lambert, and really hope he returns. I just can't see why WOT would specifically say he's missing if he's been killed off for good.

 

For me the real villain of Asunder was Adrian.



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I liked Lambert, and really hope he returns. I just can't see why WOT would specifically say he's missing if he's been killed off for good.

 

For me the real villain of Asunder was Adrian.

That girl... *shakes fist*


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Cole had Lambert with his dagger to his throat, said the words he says before he kills people and had every opportunity and reason - and very well should have killed him, and then we hear that Lambert is missing. We didn't actually see the kill and normally in writing that means that he didn't kill him. However this is Dragon Age we're talking about, and considering the scene where Duncan is killed...

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There's a school of thought that less is more, sometimes. It's not always necessary to show the explicit outcome when it's the logical conclusion to draw.

 

In a lot of ways it's the same logic behind fade-to-black sex scenes. We all know what's going to happen, we don't need the gratuitous details. 


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Yeah, lambert was bad....Adrian was worse.

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The weirdest part about the Lambert thing is that his body is labled as missing in the new timeline map on the site. Why would his body be missing? He was in his room when Cole scooted in, Coles not the type to drag a persons body around in spite. I am still really suspicious of Lambert from that Cole description of him with the whole darkness in his eyes bit. Coles only done that type of description with Wynne and we all know what was going on with her...

 

I bet Lambert is still around, but not the same time of around as just being a person in the Seekers being the leader. Or if he is it's really baffling how he got away from Cole. No I will never get over it Lamberts too weird somethings weird with him I want to know what's up with him I don't think he's a normal thing ahhhh AHHHHHH

 

 

Oh is the Assassin thing a new information? That could be Cole actually, with his description of having to find his place in the world paragraph from the survey leak of him picking between hunting people or helping people. 


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It's interesting, I hadn't thought of Cole being part of this, mainly because I imagine he's more involved in the mage/templar pile of what Inquisition might be (I sorta expect it to be at least: Mages versus Templar's ~ Orlesian Civil War ~ whatever's going on with the Wardens).

 

But it's something I have been thinking of for a while, I mean where exactly will we be meeting Cole? He was last shown to be back in the White Spire, so I guess it is possible he's still there and we might investigate the Spire, but if not there I'm not sure.

 

I'd had the idea we might meet Cole at Skyhold or some other camp that he slips in to.  If Rhys and Evangeline die in the Breach opening during the summit at the Temple of Sacred Ashes, Cole's going to be looking to kill someone, and if he hear's about the Inquisitor, he may try and kill them (he might think they're responsible, similar to Cassandra in the trailer).

 

Meh, dunno.



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It's hard at the moment to figure out what sort of situation we would be finding Cole or the other companions in because they could be changing up how we actually recruite them. We only know a handful of areas and very little about the characters, what their personal goals are before meeting the Inquisitor (the only one I can actually think of who has a 'goal' persay is Dorian, because he is said to be wanting to end the corruption in Tiventer and we hardly have that much on the others. Oh and Cassandra but it's kinda clear she's one of the first who gets to you because she goes right to the explosion and finds you there dragging Varric possibly with her) 

 

Cole is obviously out of the Tower, he has no reason to be there and he said at the end of the book he doesn't want to be helpless anymore wanting to be more active. Which is why he went to Lambert. He could have been trying to find other bad people like Lambert to off since he has nothing else to do, will certainly be interested in the Inquisitor if Rhys and Eva do die in the Breach like Chaos is saying.

 

That's a possibility surely, but we don't have much world info as of yet D:



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Wait, wasn't it that we get only one character from Asunder in DAI? If so, they wouldn't dare to pick Lambert over Cole.

 

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Would they?



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I remember them saying that at least one is going to be a companion, it was ages ago when they said that and I'm not sure where it was actually said but it was listed on the wiki for a while before, then it was retconed at the Pax (or at least said differently) that at least one character from Asunder would be there. 

 

I'm sure they would use many elements from Asunder, since it seems to touch on many important things that the Inquisition is going to be about. It'd be like saying there would be very little from Masked Empire will be there in game. There's plenty of plot threads that haven't been tied up from the books which would be considered cannon since they where written by the main team/leads.

 

I always saw books like Asunder and Masked Empire to be sort of like bits of hype in a way, advertisement for the next game since they have such open ended endings that would make the reader go "Oh what's next?!" and the what's next answer would be Inquisition. 


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Wait, wasn't it that we get only one character from Asunder in DAI? If so, they wouldn't dare to pick Lambert over Cole.

 

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Would they?

 

I believe that was a mis-communication; what was said was we were getting at least one character from Asunder. 


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Maybe that's how we'll meet up with Cole for the first time? At the Winter Palace.

 

Provided he is there for an assasination mission. Maybe it will be Zevran style :P

 

Cole: "Wait, Inquisitor! It seems I misjudged you!"

 

Inquisitor: "Yeah? Join the club, we got jackets."


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Maybe that's how we'll meet up with Cole for the first time?

I'm actually plenty curious about how exactly we'll meet him. I mean, the man is invisible. Does the Inquisitor acquire some sort of "Fade vision" along with glowy hand? Or Cole becomes visible somehow?



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I'm actually plenty curious about how exactly we'll meet him. I mean, the man is invisible. Does the Inquisitor acquire some sort of "Fade vision" along with glowy hand? Or Cole becomes visible somehow?

I think because of the Veil being such a mess and the Fade is spilling everywhere, Coles going to be visible to the party/the world. Like how he was visible to the group in Asunder when he was dragged into the Fade along with them, and everyone was able to see and remember him (for much longer then before but still). I have a feeling the world is getting effected hard core by the Fade much more then normal, making supernatural things become more physical.

 

Either that or he's figured out a way to control it to the point he's able to flip it on and off whenever he pleases, since at the end of the book he seems clear to what he is, and even before that in the Lambert fight/killing the templars he's got a small handle on how to even do it to mask others.


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Either that or he's figured out a way to control it to the point he's able to flip it on and off whenever he pleases, since at the end of the book he seems clear to what he is, and even before that in the Lambert fight/killing the templars he's got a small handle on how to even do it to mask others.

Interesting thought, thank you. His increasing control over his ability somehow slipped my mind. While "the Breach changed everything" reasoning seems like a valid point, I like the idea of Cole being master-infiltrator disappearing into thin air on a whim better. He's an ideal rogue, how come I didn't think of it myself? ))