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[Solas]

it was my impression that by the end of asunder he's gained control over his abilities.

 

control over them a la Fenris's control over his phasing/magic fist/lyrium stuff I'd think is a pretty essential pre-requisite for Cole being in gameplay (as opposed to book) combat. mechanics-wise my guess is it will function much like Fenris.

 

my first thought on realizing we're going to visit adamant at some point during the game was that we'd meet cole there, but then on thinking about it I couldn't think why he'd journey back there after being away from it.

[Omikuji]

Interesting thought, thank you. His increasing control over his ability somehow slipped my mind. While "the Breach changed everything" reasoning seems like a valid point, I like the idea of Cole being master-infiltrator disappearing into thin air on a whim better. He's an ideal rogue, how come I didn't think of it myself? ))

No problem c: 

 

I always have forseen Coles abilities to look kinda like how thief characters go into stealth, just sort of losing their opasity and being a grey shadowy thing. Then something flashy when he appears to the enemies for the flare. I remember sneak being something like that in Origins, then in DAII the rouges can practically fly and warp around (It's been a while since I played DAII and the rouges there) when attacking someone.

 

So Coles skills aren't impossible to think of in the realms of gameplay functionality, some people have said that and I never understood why to be honest XD. He's stolen from guards, stolen food since it seems like he eats (Rhys mentioned it in the book at one point about worrying over Cole finding food in the desert). He makes a great magical like rouge character.

 

Hrnn...  Adamant was shown recently in a preview shot they have been spilling about over in the Twitter area right? But I don't think Cole would go back there. Not really any reason for him to, I bet it has been either over taken by one of the factions, or the Inquisitior will take it for tactical reasons, or is just left abandoned as it was after the demons. 

[Frikipolleces]

 

Hrnn...  Adamant was shown recently in a preview shot they have been spilling about over in the Twitter area right? But I don't think Cole would go back there. Not really any reason for him to, I bet it has been either over taken by one of the factions, or the Inquisitior will take it for tactical reasons, or is just left abandoned as it was after the demons. 

 

If any faction takes Adamant it'll probably be the Inquisition. The Veil is still broken there, after all, and we know someone who's able to close it 

[Omikuji]

If any faction takes Adamant it'll probably be the Inquisition. The Veil is still broken there, after all, and we know someone who's able to close it 

Was it broken or just weak there? I know that some areas are weaker then others when it came to the veil, but what counts it as a full blown rip compared to being just a really good place for magic to accidentally a demon into the world. (or at least that's how Felassan explained a weaker area)

[Faerah]

So...I was thinking more on this and the part about Anders sort of struck me just now.

 

 

• Anders - I asked my Anders/Justice separation question! Gaider answered that if Anders wanted to do it, the two probably could be separated, very similarly to the way that Connor and the demon were separated in DA:O. a lot of why they won’t separate has to do with Anders’s attachment to Justice, how it was willing, etc. Also notice that in the fade, the two are not separate entities, unlike Connor and the demon. If there would be a separation between the two, it is more likely to happen towards the end of the game as Vengeance (the name Gaider used) and Anders become more disparate. Lastly, Gaider implied that spirits and demons are, by nature, different, something which I was never quite clear on. They are not exactly the same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

Since we don't know if this stuff is really true, it's time for me to put on my tinfoil hat I guess...Anyways, hear me out. So what if that part I bolded is true. We saw Cole in the fade as Cole, not some spirit/demon or even two separate entities. What if Cole and the spirit/demon have such a strong bond with eachother when the spirit came to Cole as he died that they are now essentially the same entity. This would account for the utter confusion about what Cole thinks himself as, but also the realization in the epilogue. Also, the minimal experience and knowledge Cole had plus a spirit being completely clueless about anything pretty much equates to what we now know as Cole.

 

Just imagine his character arc accounting for this...for the longest time him and you are both convinced he's a spirit or demon...only later to find out that Cole is actually still in there too. It's sort of so weirdly sweet I sort of want to go throw up rainbows somewhere...

[The Noir Rose]

Just imagine his character arc accounting for this...for the longest time him and you are both convinced he's a spirit or demon...only later to find out that Cole is actually still in there too. It's sort of so weirdly sweet I sort of want to go throw up rainbows somewhere...

 

 

I agree 

 

PS can't wait for more Cole fan art, I seem to be collecting it like crazy XD

[Omikuji]

Huh, I bet the magic boost from Justice Anders got was a reason he never attempted a separation if looking at it like that. Though I suppose Anders just got too clingy to Justice... er anyways.

 

I got the feeling that at least the memories and feelings of "Cole" are still there, that paragraph spoiler mentioned he was haunted by the memories. So I think we may get something along the lines of Cole trying to figure out himself from the "Cole" persona he was running around as before. 

[Meredydd]

I was wondering... What do you guys think Cole's opinion or stance will be on the Mage-Templar War as well as the Civil War in Orlais? I thought maybe he would be sympathetic towards the mages because of Rhys, but he was also friends with Evangeline, who was a Templar. He also lived in the White Spire for a while and saw how the Templars treated the mages. So would he be more of a pro mage character or do you think he'll just follow the Inquisitor's decisions?

[Former_Fiend]

One of Cole's driving characteristics is fear and hatred towards the templar order for the abuses they commit and that they subjected the real Cole to. He may be able to see that Evangeline was "one of the good ones", but I doubt he'd extend any good will to those templars who continue to hunt down mages on her account.

 

 

So I'm curious as to how he's going to interact with Cassandra and Cullen, and how they'll interact with him. Especially Cullen, given his (entirely justified) paranoia regarding blood magic and demons.

[Omikuji]

I don't think Cole is going to care all that much about the war going on, probably would take him a bit to actually start to understand it. He's witness it but never seemed to care unless it was going to harm Rhys, but his fear of the Templars is probably waned by the end of the book and possibly into the start of DAI. Still not a fan of them, but has been shown there are good ones.

 

I'm wondering how paranoid Cullen will be around Cole. I have a feeling out of the group dynamic Cullen and Cole are probably going to be very negative. Good thing Cullen isn't a companion and probably wont be following around the party for banter because I would corner Cullen so fast if he's throwing unhappy in my Inquisitors best friends forever Inquisition. Though it'll be really interesting...

 

Oh that gives me an idea for a little fan art doodle...

[SnakeCode]

I was wondering... What do you guys think Cole's opinion or stance will be on the Mage-Templar War as well as the Civil War in Orlais? I thought maybe he would be sympathetic towards the mages because of Rhys, but he was also friends with Evangeline, who was a Templar. He also lived in the White Spire for a while and saw how the Templars treated the mages. So would he be more of a pro mage character or do you think he'll just follow the Inquisitor's decisions?

Almost guaranteed he's going to be VERY pro-mage. He pretty much feared all templars in asunder due to what happened to the original Cole. He only warms to Evangeline because of Rhys. I'm not even sure whether it's accurate to call her a templar anymore. She was pretty much full on pro-mage by the end of the book. She betrayed everything she stood for because she had a crush (Seriously, who couldn't see that coming from their very first scene together?)

 

On that subject I'm getting very frustrated with how it seem that every "good templar" we've met doesn't actually seem to be a templar at all, and are actively working with mages towards eventual mage freedom. (Thrask is the other that comes to mind.)

 

As far as the civil war goes, I don't think Cole will have a horse in that race.

[Milan92]

So I'm curious as to how he's going to interact with Cassandra and Cullen, and how they'll interact with him. Especially Cullen, given his (entirely justified) paranoia regarding blood magic and demons.

 

Cole's probably gonna play peeping tom on Cassandra when she is taking a bath. Or when she is reading something naughty.

[Frikipolleces]

Was it broken or just weak there? I know that some areas are weaker then others when it came to the veil, but what counts it as a full blown rip compared to being just a really good place for magic to accidentally a demon into the world. (or at least that's how Felassan explained a weaker area)

Hard to tell, since I'm not even sure there is a point in which you can say "oh, NOW it's broken". That said, this is how it's narrated in Asunder (from Rhys perspective):

 

"Everything was drowned out by the music, that insistent sound that seemed to pull him out of his body. The blue vapor slowly wandered back toward Adrian, and when it connected with the tendrils of vapor in front of her, the circuit was complete. Aring of power now surrounded the demon and began to grow in intensity, to grow in urgency until it was all Rhys could bear.

 

It was too much. Too much. He shut his eyes. The music so overwhelming it felt as if he were about to vibrate out of existence. He violently shook his head, but it only grew worse.

 

I... can't...this is...

 

And then the Veil ripped open"

 

So yeah, it's pretty explicit 

[XMissWooX]

Cole's probably gonna play peeping tom on Cassandra when she is taking a bath. Or when she is reading something naughty.

Would be pretty funny if we could use him to spy on our companions for us:

Inquisitor: So, what did you learn today?
Cole: Well, Iron Bull's still peeved about having to turn sideways to get through his chamber door, Vivienne's still furiously scrubbing at that stain on her robe, and Cassandra finally finished that book Varric wrote.
Inquisitor: Hmmm

[Omikuji]

 

And then the Veil ripped open"

 

So yeah, it's pretty explicit 

Oh for that part I had read it more they had been sucked into the fade. Since when they got out it was all hunky doory and no demons just pouring out of there constantly, and since the Inquisitor is the only one able to close an opening then if it was a rip then how was it they closed it?

[Maraas]

Hard to tell, since I'm not even sure there is a point in which you can say "oh, NOW it's broken".

I think there is. Giant coruscating wall of green energy—the Veil is broken. Unusually high number of barking mad mages turning to blood magic and becoming abominations—the Veil is weak, but holding.

[Frikipolleces]

Oh for that part I had read it more they had been sucked into the fade. Since when they got out it was all hunky doory and no demons just pouring out of there constantly, and since the Inquisitor is the only one able to close an opening then if it was a rip then how was it they closed it?

Well, I don't think the rips in the veil in Inquisition work the same way as other "rips" we've seem. There are proably different grades of break?

 

I mean, we've seem quite a few places with the veil torn already, and it's not as if the demons constantly popped out of the Fade. So, considering when that happens they've already elminated a ton of possesed corpsed, perhaps the veil is still open when they left, and demons simply had no time to start possesing things again.

 

Or you may be right and the veil is just thin, not broken. Either way, I think the Inquisitor should be able to restore it.

 

Edited:

 

I think there is. Giant coruscating wall of green energy—the Veil is broken. Unusually high number of barking mad mages turning to blood magic and becoming abominations—the Veil is weak, but holding.

But what about places like the ruins in the Brecilian Forest ot Bartrand's mansion in Kirkwall? 

[Omikuji]

I think those count as weak veil areas as well with the Forest and the Mansion? Or they can become weaker when magic is having a ball there, like how the forest had the lady of the forest weakening the veil there.

 

I remember in Masked Empire Felassan mentions in one area that casting magic would weaken the veil and allow demons into the area and that would be bad. But not a full blown rip that wont naturally close when the magic of the area is chilled out. So I was thinking that the research that Pharmond was doing weakens the veil even more. Then in the circles there always seems to be talk of a weaker veil connection there, while playing the games I would think they just set up the towers there because it was weak, but now I'm starting to think that they cause the weakness because of magic maybe?

 

So any sort of magic causes weakness and could allow just a big enough opening for a demon to come through?

[Omikuji]

Also have a this;

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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is Cole and Cullen reenacting the scene in Asunder with Cole and Lambert at the end?

[Omikuji]

Naw, based on the earlier convo that was going on in here about Cole and Cullen probably being such a bunch of fussy buckets to each other because of the whole Templar not liking demon and the said demon not liking templars. Just a bunch of frowny faces at each other the whole time.

[phyreblade74]

Naw, based on the earlier convo that was going on in here about Cole and Cullen probably being such a bunch of fussy buckets to each other because of the whole Templar not liking demon and the said demon not liking templars. Just a bunch of frowny faces at each other the whole time.

 

Ahhh, why would anyone frowny-face Cullen?  He's drool-worthy, rather.

 

Oh, wait.  Wrong thread, muahahaha!

[Wolfen09]

we dont need a reason....  @ cullen....  anyway i think it would be hillarious if the inquisitor kept forgetting about cole, even while he's in the party and constantly scaring the crap out of the inquisitor

[Faerah]

Fan art by scarlettbard

[Faerah]

Hm, I just thought of something. What if Leliana sends us to get Cole, assuming she somehow remembers him. She would know of his capabilities and might have some idea of his whereabouts since she's our spymistress. Also, along with (most likely) Varric, I think Leliana would be a friend/ally to Cole to some degree at least.