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Cole discussion, speculation, and fan thread: "How do you know?"


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#1226
SnakeCode

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I can actually see Iron bull and cole as friends

 

would love to see something like this, imagine Iron bull trying to lift Cole's spirits, in more ways than one.

 

PS: Cole might be adult-size, but Iron Bull is Huge!

 

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I could see it being more of a Kimahri/Tidus type relationship (FFX.) Slow to trust, turning from outward hostility, to more playful bullying, slowly growing into trust and respect.


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#1227
KirstyLionheart

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Of course he's been shown, he's been the most shown/talked about/popular character in the trailers and demos.

Did you by chance...forget?

:P

Clever ; )

But nah I mean actual gameplay



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I can actually see Iron bull and cole as friends

 

would love to see something like this, imagine Iron bull trying to lift Cole's spirits, in more ways than one.

 

PS: Cole might be adult-size, but Iron Bull is Huge!

 

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Lyndis Hector and Soth ?

The kid's name is Nils, AkiKishi. ^_^



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I can actually see Iron bull and cole as friends
 
would love to see something like this, imagine Iron bull trying to lift Cole's spirits, in more ways than one.
 
PS: Cole might be adult-size, but Iron Bull is Huge!
 
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Lol trying to lift Cole's spirits. :P
Get it because he's a spirit/demon/fade thing possibly. Ok, I'll go sit in a corner now and think about what I've done.
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#1230
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I was just watching the video of the longer demo and when I heard Iron Bull & Sera's party banter.. I was just thinking about how much I'm going to enjoy Cole's.. I hope our other followers aren't too hard on him, or they'll have my inquisitor to deal with.. :blush:


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#1231
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Has ever one noticed the similarities between Mouse, the pride demon disguised as apprentice from the Mage Origin, and Cole? Cole might be a demon, or at least a spirit, that lost his memory when he came to the real world.



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I'd say that's an accurate theory. Adding onto the survey thingy for him that mentions either helping him "join the living" or "prey upon" them. Pretty sure he's a spirit/demon.


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#1233
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Well it's not super clear just what he is other than some sort of Fade entity that came to comfort a dying mage in the White Spire's prison and may have possessed the corpse of the original mage Cole after he died.

 

That he's some sort of Fade entity isn't really the question (unless the real truth is some huge freaking curveball) but rather what kind is he?  My vote is still going for having been a Spirit of Hope that may have been corrupted into a Despair Demon.


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KirstyLionheart

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Has ever one noticed the similarities between Mouse, the pride demon disguised as apprentice from the Mage Origin, and Cole? Cole might be a demon, or at least a spirit, that lost his memory when he came to the real world.

Oh there's no doubt he's a demon. After what happened at the end of Asunder, it became clear. - (you'll have to read to find out if you haven't already.. mwahahah) :P


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Well it's not super clear just what he is other than some sort of Fade entity that came to comfort a dying mage in the White Spire's prison and may have possessed the corpse of the original mage Cole after he died.

 

That he's some sort of Fade entity isn't really the question (unless the real truth is some huge freaking curveball) but rather what kind is he?  My vote is still going for having been a Spirit of Hope that may have been corrupted into a Despair Demon.

This.



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I can't wait until we get a proper look at his face! The blurry pics from the trailers do make him look a bit odd and weasel-y. (Does not detract from my motherly feelings towards his character)

 

I want to hear his voice and see him in action! I wonder if he will be able to disappear during combat and just silently kill your enemies.


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I don't understand how can despair demon live in mortal world and join inquizition party. That all seems too crazy for me. Mostly because of that, sometimes I think character in silly hat is not Cole.

Why dead body do not rot? How demon can live for so long outside fade? Why such characters as Cass, Leliana and Cullen did not chop Cole head of? Where he get energy for his demonic being? The only our hints it is Cole, that they both blonde, rogues and 2 or 3 years ago Cole name was mentioned by Bioware. May be Cole will play role in plot, but are we sure companion on screen it is him?



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I don't understand how can despair demon live in mortal world and join inquizition party. That all seems too crazy for me. Mostly because of that, sometimes I think character in silly hat is not Cole.

Why dead body do not rot? How demon can live for so long outside fade? Why such characters as Cass, Leliana and Cullen did not chop Cole head of? Where he get energy for his demonic being? The only our hints it is Cole, that they both blonde, rogues and 2 or 3 years ago Cole name was mentioned by Bioware. May be Cole will play role in plot, but are we sure companion on screen it is him?

You are right that there is no guarantee that that is Cole. But I think the whole point of his character is that he is an unknown anomaly. He doesn't know who or what he is and neither does anyone else. I'm 100% sure he is not a demon inhabiting the original Cole's body though. That kid was like 10 or 12? And Gaider says he is physically 20ish so an aging corpse makes no sense.

I don't think we have enough information on how demons and spirits work to really understand him atm.



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I don't understand how can despair demon live in mortal world and join inquizition party. That all seems too crazy for me. Mostly because of that, sometimes I think character in silly hat is not Cole.

Why dead body do not rot? How demon can live for so long outside fade? Why such characters as Cass, Leliana and Cullen did not chop Cole head of? Where he get energy for his demonic being? The only our hints it is Cole, that they both blonde, rogues and 2 or 3 years ago Cole name was mentioned by Bioware. May be Cole will play role in plot, but are we sure companion on screen it is him?

 

You are right that there is no guarantee that that is Cole. But I think the whole point of his character is that he is an unknown anomaly. He doesn't know who or what he is and neither does anyone else. I'm 100% sure he is not a demon inhabiting the original Cole's body though. That kid was like 10 or 12? And Gaider says he is physically 20ish* so an aging corpse makes no sense.

I don't think we have enough information on how demons and spirits work to really understand him atm.

It definitely is. He has the exact same armour as the war room shot, except it's a different colour and shorter - as I already said a page or 2 back. We can customise armour this time too, so that makes perfect sense.

*3rd bold - He was a kid in that nightmare, yes. But Rhys recongised him as a child there, however as in his early 20s in the flesh. So that clearly shows that he is definitely not still a 10 year old kid since Rhys saw the difference. We don't know how much time passed since that event and him being taken to the circle.



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Well, I personally am pretty sure that character's Cole. Because of his appearance, the dual wielding daggers, and because of this survey-thing ... after all, it seems like pretty much everything from it has proven to be quite true - despite what the developers claimed.

 

I don't think Cole's a "normal" spirit/demon anymore - or an abomination neither, by the way. He's indeed an anomaly. Fact is, he has rather human-like emotions and thoughts as well as a physical body - that's alive, not just a walking corpse. I really, really hope we will find out what kind of spirit he was and what actually happened to him and the human Cole at some point.



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(unless the real truth is some huge freaking curveball)

I'm really hoping for a curveball. Not that I don't like the idea of a demon companion...it's just that Cole doesn't seem like just simply a demon or spirit or abomination or whatever. It's way more complicated and complex than "just a demon". Or so it seems at least.



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Well, I personally am pretty sure that character's Cole. Because of his appearance, the dual wielding daggers, and because of this survey-thing ... after all, it seems like pretty much everything from it has proven to be quite true - despite what the developers claimed.

 

I don't think Cole's a "normal" spirit/demon anymore - or an abomination neither, by the way. He's indeed an anomaly. Fact is, he has rather human-like emotions and thoughts as well as a physical body - that's alive, not just a walking corpse. I really, really hope we will find out what kind of spirit he was and what actually happened to him and the human Cole at some point.

 

I'd compare Cole more to Justice if anything else, but I also disagreed with Gaider's terminology of refering to him as 'child-like'.

 

He's... something. Naive?



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Well, I personally am pretty sure that character's Cole. Because of his appearance, the dual wielding daggers, and because of this survey-thing ... after all, it seems like pretty much everything from it has proven to be quite true - despite what the developers claimed.

 

I don't think Cole's a "normal" spirit/demon anymore - or an abomination neither, by the way. He's indeed an anomaly. Fact is, he has rather human-like emotions and thoughts as well as a physical body - that's alive, not just a walking corpse. I really, really hope we will find out what kind of spirit he was and what actually happened to him and the human Cole at some point.

Exactly. He's definitely some form of demon or spirit - but the fact he seems to have actual human emotions and feelings just makes him a complete mystery.

Eeeeee all this talk about him just makes me impatient! I can't wait to ask him about his past.. ask him about himself.. hear his party banter. Has he changed since Asunder? (I hope he hasn't changed too much!)


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Exactly. He's definitely some form of demon or spirit - but the fact he seems to have actual human emotions and feelings just makes him a complete mystery.

Eeeeee all this talk about him just makes me impatient! I can't wait to ask him about his past.. ask him about himself.. hear his party banter. Has he changed since Asunder? (I hope he hasn't changed too much!)

Kind of reminds me of Roxas... Yay woobie anomalies!

I'm pretty sad he wasn't included with the rest of "Meet the Heroes". Maybe next month... or the next... Yeah the more I think about it the more I don't regret getting digital deluxe. I couldn't possibly wait till game stores open to play.



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Kind of reminds me of Roxas... Yay woobie anomalies!

I'm pretty sad he wasn't included with the rest of "Meet the Heroes". Maybe next month... or the next... Yeah the more I think about it the more I don't regret getting digital deluxe. I couldn't possibly wait till game stores open to play.

I'm thinking we'll see the next lot at pax in august. Grrrr.
I don't think I have any patience left. How am I supposed to wait until october for the actual game too?? o.o



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I'm thinking we'll see the next lot at pax in august. Grrrr.
I don't think I have any patience left. How am I supposed to wait until october for the actual game too?? o.o

Oh god that's so far away. At least it's kinda like a birthday present.. I guess...
And I was right, Blackwall interview on website today, which means probably *more* Vivienne tomorrow. And more repeats of the same demo. :crying:
I grow more bitter with each passing moment. /shakes fist at E3



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Personally one of the most interesting story hooks we've got with Cole isn't whether he's a demon/spirit (because it's abundantly clear he is), or even that he acts human, it's that he's got memories (and the associated grief) that he absolutely should not have if his personal experience of the world actually starts right around the time of real!Cole's death. He shouldn't have repressed memories because there's no way he lived through them - unless at some point boy and spirit merged into one, which would be super interesting.

 

The closest thing I've ever seen to such an occurence is Fade!Katriel in the Calling, who acts way outside the parameters of the dream she's a part of and even seems to show genuine feeling towards Maric (who, if she is a demon/spirit, she doesn't actually know/care about). She was intriguing to me in much the same way Cole is. But at least in that case you could argue that she's drawing all that stuff from Maric's own memories, and there's no such easy explanation for Cole since everybody who knew him is dead.


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#1248
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Does anyone get the feeling that Iron Bull is going to cut Cole in half if he learns he's a demon? 

 

He can try get through my lady qunari!  :lol:


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I'd compare Cole more to Justice if anything else, but I also disagreed with Gaider's terminology of refering to him as 'child-like'.

He's... something. Naive?


I don't know; I mean, Cole's not really a child, but he's ... dependent, very devoted to people who are nice to him, and also easy to influence. There's also something about his thoughts and words that made me think of a lost child. My mother instincts were practically tingling the whole time while reading Asunder. So I actually do agree with "child-like" ... o.O
I do think he's kind of wiser than a real child, though, and could potentially have matured since he began to understand what he really is.
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