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Cole discussion, speculation, and fan thread: "How do you know?"


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godModeAlpha

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So is Cole still a romance option then?

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I don't think anything has been mentioned about him being (or not being) a romance option so far.



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So is Cole still a romance option then?

Nope. Never. Why would you even?..


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Could totally see cole doing some pranks

 

even the soldier looks like blackwall amusingly


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I liked Cole in Asunder but based on the little write up they did, he won't be getting along with my main Dwarf.  So I guess he'll just disappear and will be forgotten by the team.  I can't wait for the banter of party members who are struggling to remember little Cole when he decides to leave my party when my Dwarf goes on a slaughtering spree.


Not sure how I feel about option of letting the little killer loose on the world of Thedas with his ability to be forgotten.

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So is Cole still a romance option then?

 

Given what Gaider has said about Cole being child-like, I don't imagine he will be.



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He looks so lonely, sad and forlorn.  :crying:

 

I really want to give him a big hug.  :)

 

Cole is now officially my Inquisitor's younger brother. Doesn't matter if he is not real or a spirit. 


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Yes, but at least it's finally happening. ^_^

We don't know that, sadly. They may just stop with companions. :(



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CRIES WITH IMMENSE, EUPHORIC JOY

 

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY O BLESS THIS DAY PRAISE THE MAKER i love u bioware i cant handle my feelings rn


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So is Cole still a romance option then?

 

No.



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Justice wasn't inextricably tangled up with Kristoff's memories, though. Cole's personhood is very different from Justice's, and I think it's a mistake to think the two cases are really comparable.

Justice actually states in a number of discussions that he has Kristoff's memories and they're implied to inspire a lot of his interest in the world and emotions, especially concerning Kristoff's relationship with his wife, though he's very in denial about this. The only real difference, I believe, is that he knows throughout Awakening that he's not actually Kristoff and only possesses Kristoff's memories, while Cole doesn't know for most of Asunder what he is. Even in his original survey description, Cole is described as being haunted by the original Cole's memories, not that they are his. Yes, the original Cole has inspired what Cole is now, but he's still something completely different than human and the thought patterns of spirits are shown to be very immature from what we've seen. Justice's dialog is extremely immature, he's just way on the other side of the spectrum on hostility as Cole is. The way he processes everything is at extreme face value and he's quickly prone to hostility and denial when made uncomfortable, to a point you would hardly expect from a mature adult.

 

Here is Justice's dialog section; http://dragonage.wik...ustice/Dialogue

 

Consider, for example, the hostile reaction he has to Anders asking how a spirit becomes a demon and if he has any desires. If you listen to the escalation of his voice in the game, it actually sounds as if he could easily become violent if Anders weren't to drop the subject. He later admits that he is basically afraid of how spirits become demons and we can infer that he's originally lashing out and acting in denial because he's afraid. This is a very childlike reaction, even if his communication style is outwardly more what we consider adult. From what we've seen, I think we can assume spirits have a tendency towards starting very childlike out of the fade as far as their basic reasoning skills go. I think it would be a mistake, though, to think that means they are basically children and not something entirely more alien.


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So is Cole still a romance option then?

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We don't know that, sadly. They may just stop with companions. :(

Awwwh I know.. I'm trying to be positive. I just want everyone to have what they want and to be happy :(

Besides. They've already released a lot of area info and pics. Now the companions. It would make sense for advisors to be next. *glimmer of hope* :wizard:



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So is Cole still a romance option then?

Still? Didn't Gaider once say "he has the mentality of a young boy" and that any who wanted to romance him was "creepy" hinting at a definite no.

 

Can't remember where I read it, his blog maybe?



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Hey, i've been lurking for awhile, but with the official reveal of Cole I thought I might join in :)

 

I'm so excited that's he's been announced. I just wanted to hug him in Asunder, he's so lost and alone, and I can't wait for my Quizzie to be all protective of him and treat him like he's her little brother.

 

I really liked the idea someone on here once said about Cole being a spirit of Compassion, and with this new quote I think it makes even more sense. Even when he killed those people in the White Spire, it almost seemed like he had a twisted idea of compassion because he saw that they were in pain and in his mind he was ending it for them. Since he's a spirit and he has a very warped view of the world, and since he was burdened with all of the memories of the boy Cole, it could perfectly make sense that this is how the spirit saw compassion. Then with his growth in Asunder, it seems that he begins to understand the human concept of compassion better. His quote about helping people mattering to him could be an example of that growth, and the nature of the spirit. 

 

I just can't wait until we meet him in Inquisition, I know that he'll probably get along really well with my first Quizzie, and I'm really looking forward to their relationship. She'll try to make sure that he never has to feel alone, and she'll give him a big hug X3


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They still have Dorian and Solas to go for companion info on the site.  



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Awwwh I know.. I'm trying to be positive. I just want everyone to have what they want and to be happy :(

Besides. They've already released a lot of area info and pics. Now the companions. It would make sense for advisors to be next. *glimmer of hope* :wizard:

I suppose...



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Hey, i've been lurking for awhile, but with the official reveal of Cole I thought I might join in :)

 

I'm so excited that's he's been announced. I just wanted to hug him in Asunder, he's so lost and alone, and I can't wait for my Quizzie to be all protective of him and treat him like he's her little brother.

 

I really liked the idea someone on here once said about Cole being a spirit of Compassion, and with this new quote I think it makes even more sense. Even when he killed those people in the White Spire, it almost seemed like he had a twisted idea of compassion because he saw that they were in pain and in his mind he was ending it for them. Since he's a spirit and he has a very warped view of the world, and since he was burdened with all of the memories of the boy Cole, it could perfectly make sense that this is how the spirit saw compassion. Then with his growth in Asunder, it seems that he begins to understand the human concept of compassion better. His quote about helping people mattering to him could be an example of that growth, and the nature of the spirit. 

 

I just can't wait until we meet him in Inquisition, I know that he'll probably get along really well with my first Quizzie, and I'm really looking forward to their relationship. She'll try to make sure that he never has to feel alone, and she'll give him a big hug X3

Hello there (:

Get out of my mind :P


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Ellana Lavellan

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Cole the Adorably Huggable Lonely Compassion Spirit ftw :P


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So is Cole still a romance option then?

No and thank god for that.


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A psychotic serial killing demon is cute as a button.. yes... oh my, Bioware fans are so odd.  


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A psychotic serial killing demon is cute as a button.. yes... oh my, Bioware fans are so odd.  

Add clingy and rather creepy to that, and you've got the pretty much best description of Cole out there! 



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there is no way someone other than david will be his writer LOL.

 

the new quotes about him make me consider once again cole's true nature. the discussion has always been like

- spirit/corrupted spirit or

- demon or

- corrupted spirit which is the SAME THING as a demon or

- some other fade entity which we have not yet come across in the lore

and that's only speculation about what the Entity That Is Now "Cole" was before

- who's to say what it is now and whether it has become something new entirely by fusing with the memories of Original Cole or Original Cole's ghost or whatever else

anyway it makes me revisit it because with the quotes about helping the helpless and him leaving ruthless people make me think the Entity before was a spirit of a virtue, not a spirit of a negative aspect/a demon. a spirit that has now been corrupted a la vengeance although it would seem they can be uncorrupted? the new quotes evoke positive thoughts

 

that kite hat is SO A D OR A B L E i cant handle it

 

oh no. ono ono ono

if cole is with the inquisition the chances are rhys and/or evangeline may well be dead  :crying:

 

observation time: BioWare have always said they're mighty pleased if a character inspires any significant reaction in a person - they make characters that split their audience. love em or hate em. the polarized reactions to cole (parental vs creeped out) are a thunderous example of that

 

speculation time: cole's companion quest will deal with his nature/what he is becoming, we could influence what he will become, or finding rhys and/or evangeline. the tears in the veil will have an impact on cole's nature, perhaps increasing as time goes on. 

 

solas and cole may have a fuzzy friendship that starts out with solas's interest in this unique creature/amazing opportunity to study a fade creature in a unique situation. OR as a fade expert he will be wary of the dangers of the fade and will not like him at all

 

on that note,

i have a very real fear that cullen with his background and iron bull with his fear of demons will NOT be happy with this addition to our party

 

guys i will choose cole over you dont make me do anything rash :'///

 

omg what a rollercoaster of emotions in one post


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A psychotic serial killing demon is cute as a button.. yes... oh my, Bioware fans are so odd.  

It's actually very common. The same happens (and it's intended to happen) with characters as ingrained in popular culture as Richard III, the Phantom of the Opera, and the Beast from the Disney movie.


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I am glad to see Cole has finally be revealed. Looking at the images he is just how I imagined him to be.  

 

To me he always seemed child like (so glad he is not a romance).  Looking at those images you kind of feel a bit protective.  I am wondering how he comes to be part of the Inquisition, which makes me concerned for Rhys  :?


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