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[TheKomandorShepard]

What about Wynne? She wasn't trouble. 

 

And we don't know if Cole is an abomination, or even a demon. I think he is closer to a Shade myself. 

Lady can try to kill you twice because you have different views i can see first case as it was mroe self-defence but second case isn't justified not mention her rampage in asunder.I don't want mention but wynne wasn't serial killer and was 10 times mentally stable than cole.

 

We don't know what he is but he have demonic nature as litany worked on him. You know that shades are demons just in another form and are hostile as well?As far i can tell most stable abomnation was old lady that still can try kill you twice possible under influence of the spirit.

 

 

 

Seriously... What? Like he could Hide from a spirit who can sense people from miles away. And being a red templar does not equal disappear.

 

And lambert know that? Not mention unless cole is omniscient well he can.

[Joe25]

She can be the Red Lyrium somebody ate and who later turned into a Behemoth. That work for you?

To be honest I'm okay with that. I was just making a theory off the top of my head mixed with the Dark Brotherhood from Skyrim.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sorry. I don't se how an in your face lazer focus guy who does not back down would make himself disappear with no one knowing where he went.

Well, one example could be he is one of the Agents of Chaos who are the big bads or work for the big bad this game that Bioware hinted at.

 

Here he is, spurring the Templars on to fight the mages until full scale war breaks out, then poof he's gone, throwing the Templars is disarray and thus causing more chaos. 

[Mr.House]

Yeah, except Cole didn't kill the original Cole.  The original Cole died of neglect in a dungeon while the spirit that became Cole tried to comfort him.  

This. This is why I do believe "Cole" was once a spirit of Hope and turned into a very powerful demon of despair as he watched this mage slowly die, alone with no hope and only despair

[dragondreamer]

 

Also Coles not a corpse. He could just really need a bath since his bathing in the book was more or less swimming in pools of water found in the dungeons of the White Spire. Which who knows where that water is from XD

 

 

He also describes submerging himself in the White Spire's indoor swimming pool to Rhys.  But yeah, he mentions bathing in the natural pools in the caves beneath the Spire.  

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, except Cole didn't kill the original Cole.  The original Cole died of neglect in a dungeon while the spirit that became Cole tried to comfort him.  

Yep.  One of the fan theories was that Cole was originally a Spirit of Compassion that was drawn to the real Cole as he was dying alone in The Pit.  From there, the idea is that something happened when the real Cole died to affect the spirit.  Now, he's rather unknown, a mix of almost human, spirit and a bit of the demonic.  There is no doubt though, after reading Asunder, that the Cole we're going to meet is still inherently good by nature.

 

I'm just wondering how the writers are going to pull off the rather tricky task of explaining Cole for anyone that didn't read the book.  It took most of the novel to explain him, and a rather large post on the OP (thanks for that!) to sum him up.  Sadly, I'm wondering if I'm going to have room for him in my party.  I always roll a rogue to start.  I'm probably taking Sera around, because I'm very intrigued by her potential "sassiness."  Varric is in as well, so I think I'll have to make room for a healer and/or tank.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 

 

And lambert know that? Not mention unless cole is omniscient well he can.

I does not matter if Lambert does not know it. My point is even if he ran he can't hide. If he tried to he's dead anyway. Added he is not the type of person to hide.

[leaguer of one]

Well, one example could be he is one of the Agents of Chaos who are the big bads or work for the big bad this game that Bioware hinted at.

 

Here he is, spurring the Templars on to fight the mages until full scale war breaks out, then poof he's gone, throwing the Templars is disarray and thus causing more chaos. 

With little to no support? So supplying lyuim is not an issue some how?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I does not matter if Lambert does not know it. My point is even if he ran he can't hide. If he tried to he's dead anyway. Added he is not the type of person to hide.

Why he can't hide you mean that cole can teleport and is omniscient because if he don't know where lambet is he can't find him and kill assuming that he didn't lost intrest in killing him after he escaped.As i said there is 1000 possibilities as we never see him killed in asunder or his body wasn't found everything is possible.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With little to no support? So supplying lyuim is not an issue some how?

It's almost as if the Templars are going to need to attack and rob to obtain it, strewing yet more chaos and bloodshed thus weakening the Veil more. 

 

We should stop. This is a Cole thread, not a Lambert one. 

[DaySeeker]

This. This is why I do believe "Cole" was once a spirit of Hope and turned into a very powerful demon of despair as he watched this mage slowly die, alone with no hope and only despair

 

I look forward to learning more about spirits in DAI, but I think we will find spirits in the physical world have more focus and the longer they remain and the more they have to do with the living the more complex they may become, or perhaps it is possible for some spirits to hold the reality of more than one emotion.  Perhaps what happened in The Golden City was the purity of a particular emotion represented by the "gods" there was muddied by human experience and need.  SPirits do not experience need, but every human does and for a variety of things.  We can not divorce ourselves from need no matter how noble we are and that need can bring out the best and worst of us.  Perhaps this is what spirits latch onto, the needs that drive us.  Cole in Asunder is doing his best to meet the needs of those around him, to impress, to fit in, to be of us.  He looks for definition.  

[leaguer of one]

Why he can't hide you mean that cole can teleport and is omniscient because if he don't know where lambet is he can't find him and kill assuming that he didn't lost intrest in killing him after he escaped.As i said there is 1000 possibilities as we never see him killed in asunder or his body wasn't found everything is possible.

No, Cole is not omniscient. He can track people over far distances. Hell, he can some how keep up with people on horse back.  Their is no way Cole would let Lambert go.

[leaguer of one]

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[Omikuji]

He also describes submerging himself in the White Spire's indoor swimming pool to Rhys.  But yeah, he mentions bathing in the natural pools in the caves beneath the Spire.  

 

Bathing with no soap! Eesh! I can see it now, my Inquisitor team will end up being known as the party that should probably go take a bath (Cole, Solas, and Iron Bull) and also team should not be going to a fancy party.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, Cole is not omniscient. He can track people over far distances. Hell, he can some how keep up with people on horse back.  Their is no way Cole would let Lambert go.

And how do you know that lamber didn't beat the crap out of him and cole was one who had to escape? If you say that cole was in better position because he held knife i will point 1000 examples where character came out of such situation.

[Zellya]

Sorry but i have to say something it is prefectly fine that peoples say that i don't see reason why pro-templar shouldn't put merril or anders down or peoples with conflicting views that will betray us or cause troubles.By this point if i knows something that abomnation in dragon age = troubles especially if one is serial killer.

 

I feel like calling Cole a serial killer is a bit misleading, considering the situation was a lot more complicated than that. He wasn't killing because he was getting some sadistic satisfaction out of it; his reasoning was twofold. The first reason being that they were mercy kills, he was drawn to people who were in so much misery that they wished for death. Even though you didn't see the first few, it was implied that all of the people he killed accepted it. Second was that he honestly feared he'd just disappear if he didn't do so, which means that to him it was self-preservation.

 

I'm not saying he's justified because of that, but it's not as if the author gave you a character with reasons that are beyond comprehension to the reader.

 

Besides all that, he started out with the emotional maturity of a child (don't mistake this for me saying he has the mental capacity of a child, these are two different things), and clearly developed throughout the novel. He made a conscious choice not to kill despite still fearing that it may cause him to fade away. And then again at the end he does not kill despite the man he was drawn to begging him to do it. 

[leaguer of one]

And how do you know that lamber didn't beat the crap out of him and cole was one who had to escape? If you say that cole was in better position because he held knife i will point 1000 examples where character came out of such situation.

Right, he was able to do that with a knife over his carotid artery. Please... Lambert move and one slight motion from Cole would have him bleed out.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I feel like calling Cole a serial killer is a bit misleading, considering the situation was a lot more complicated than that. He wasn't killing because he was getting some sadistic satisfaction out of it; his reasoning was twofold. The first reason being that they were mercy kills, he was drawn to people who were in so much misery that they wished for death. Even though you didn't see the first few, it was implied that all of the people he killed accepted it. Second was that he honestly feared he'd just disappear if he didn't do so, which means that to him it was self-preservation.

 

I'm not saying he's justified because of that, but it's not as if the author gave you a character with reasons that are beyond comprehension to the reader.

 

Besides all that, he started out with the emotional maturity of a child (don't mistake this for me saying he has the mental capacity of a child, these are two different things), and clearly developed throughout the novel. He made a conscious choice not to kill despite still fearing that it may cause him to fade away. And then again at the end he does not kill despite the man he was drawn to begging him to do it. 

Guy didn't kill because he wanted spare other misery only because he didn't wanted vanish and well serial killers can have many motives even religious motive or fame.His words in the end of book still shows that guy is psycho and dangerous. And as i said if you deal with abomnation in 99 % cases you will be screwd.

 

 

Right, he was able to do that with a knife over his carotid artery. Please... Lambert move and one slight motion from Cole would have him bleed out.

Fiction? You can kill oghren and leliana and they are still alive... we have templars killing others because they don't see difference between a shovel and staff so well...

[Lee80]

Yay, thanks everyone for giving me hope that Cole is not a second rotting companion like Justice.    He could still be cool either way though I suppose.

[Zellya]

Guy didn't kill because he wanted spare other misery only because he didn't wanted vanish and well serial killers can have many motives even religious motive or fame.His words in the end of book still shows that guy is psycho and dangerous. And as i said if you deal with abomnation in 99 % cases you will be screwd.

 

I don't think he's any more psychotic than Zevran, Sten, Shale, Isabella, Fenris, or any number of other companion characters you've had in the first two games. And remember, every single one of your companions and your PCs will have human blood on their hands.

[Faerah]

I can't wait for the writer "interview". And the VA video...hype overload...can't...function...

[Mr.House]

Yay, thanks everyone for giving me hope that Cole is not a second rotting companion like Justice.    He could still be cool either way though I suppose.

He won't be the same as Justice, that we know for sure.

[The Baconer]

Oh man, those shoes though. plz no.

[leaguer of one]

Guy didn't kill because he wanted spare other misery only because he didn't wanted vanish and well serial killers can have many motives even religious motive or fame.His words in the end of book still shows that guy is psycho and dangerous. And as i said if you deal with abomnation in 99 % cases you will be screwd.

 

 

Fiction? You can kill oghren and leliana and they are still alive... we have templars killing others because they don't see difference between a shovel and staff so well...

Let's ignore the fact that the people he kill genuinely wanted to die and Cole morality is completely different form our because he's a spirit. Added, once he understood the common morality he stopped the killing.

[Grieving Natashina]

He won't be the same as Justice, that we know for sure.

I'm probably one of the few on the BSN that doesn't hate Anders/Justice in DA2, but I'm very happy that Cole is a much different being.  I really don't want another Anders/Justice mess on my hands.