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[leaguer of one]

Oh man, those shoes though. plz no.

It's not like you can't change them.

[Mr.House]

I'm probably one of the few on the BSN that doesn't hate Anders/Justice in DA2, but I'm very happy that Cole is a much different being.  I really don't want another Anders/Justice mess on my hands.

Well more I'm talking about how he was in DAA when he was Justice before his corruption.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't think he's any more psychotic than Zevran, Sten, Shale, Isabella, Fenris, or any number of other companion characters you've had in the first two games. And remember, every single one of your companions and your PCs will have human blood on their hands.

Eee those guys were stable comparing to him not mention none of those was abomnation.Yep but being psycho nuts abomnation is not what our companion or pc are.Having blood on hand and be unstable abomnation that kills because he thinks if they will belive in him he won't vanish is another case. It is like compare soldier to psychopath who hunts local peoples... 

 

 

Let's ignore the fact that the people he kill genuinely wanted to die and Cole morality is completely different form our because he's a spirit. Added, once he understood the common morality he stopped the killing.

Yeah abomnation have another morality and lack of it so let them in because they are different , dangerous and just want kill humans.No thanks pal but i prefer not having abomnation around still remember anders and guy was second when it comes to being stable abomnation.

[Omikuji]

I can't wait for the writer "interview". And the VA video...hype overload...can't...function...

I'm very curious how they will go with his voice, if it's anything like the book it'd be raspy and 'unused' sounding. It'll be curious to see if they have it a lighter rasp, as I hope his voice isn't too deep.

 

...Honestly I want some video to see Cole in movement in a fight. Or just some movement videos of him in general. I wanna see if they gave him a more awkward slight step or if it's just like everyone elses stride. Cole fighting I have always seen to be very sneaky and visually 'warping' around. 

[Zellya]

I'm probably one of the few on the BSN that doesn't hate Anders/Justice in DA2, but I'm very happy that Cole is a much different being.  I really don't want another Anders/Justice mess on my hands.

 

I didn't hate Anders/Justice in DA2, honestly I thought his progression was very intriguing, but I will admit that I enjoyed DA:A Anders much more. I think a lot of the dislike for Anders stemmed from the fact that people were looking forward to his return only to learn that he wasn't the silly carefree playboy anymore. 

 

That and he was an idiot and blew up the chantry >.>

[The Baconer]

It's not like you can't change them.

 

They will be the first to go, and they will be replaced by some big, dumb-ass boots. We're going Tim Burton Cowboy, full-stop.

[Kisari]

 

 

Sadly, I'm wondering if I'm going to have room for him in my party.  I always roll a rogue to start.  I'm probably taking Sera around, because I'm very intrigued by her potential "sassiness."  Varric is in as well, so I think I'll have to make room for a healer and/or tank.

I'm having the same dilemma, as I want to romance Sera and have Cole in my party 24/7... that's two rogues and I usually ALWAYS play a bow-wielding rogue. Bow wielding dalish rogue gal is my "canon" character. ACK. I'm thinking of switching to mage honestly. These are sacrifices one must make... They are the only two characters I actually am actively interested in and for me it's imperative to include them!

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 

Yeah abomnation have another morality and lack of it so let them in because they are different , dangerous and just want kill humans.No thanks pal but i prefer not having abomnation around still remember anders and guy was second when it comes to being stable abomnation.

Again...Not an abomination. And you forgetting the Wynne, who was an abomination, has our morality. She never went crazy unless we tried to do something morally underhanded.

Also, I never said Cole was not dangerous but EVERYONE IN YOUR GROUP IS EQUALLY AS DANGEROUS. And Cole's goal clearly is not to simply kill people being that he stopped his mercy killing once he understood the issue with it.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm having the same dilemma, as I want to romance Sera and have Cole in my party 24/7... that's two rogues and I usually ALWAYS play a bow-wielding rogue. Bow wielding dalish rogue gal is my "canon" character. ACK. I'm thinking of switching to mage honestly. These are sacrifices one must make... They are the only two characters I actually am actively interested in and for me it's imperative to include them!

Dwarf for me instead of elf, but otherwise I'm completely with you.  I have a feeling that he'll get swapped out with Sera sometimes, because he's certainly unique to Thedas.  

[Faerah]

I'm having the same dilemma, as I want to romance Sera and have Cole in my party 24/7... that's two rogues and I usually ALWAYS play a bow-wielding rogue. Bow wielding dalish rogue gal is my "canon" character. ACK. I'm thinking of switching to mage honestly. These are sacrifices one must make... They are the only two characters I actually am actively interested in and for me it's imperative to include them!

I'm actually really conflicted about this too. I normally play mage though...so I have that going for me at least...but I still might end up running with 3 rogues.  I mean that's if I don't get stomped so hard into the ground in fights that I have to bring a warrior.

 

Edit: As being the hm...curator(?) of the Cole thread, it's pretty obvious Cole will be in my group as much as humanly possible.

[leaguer of one]

They will be the first to go, and they will be replaced by some big, ****** boots. We're going Tim Burton Cowboy, full-stop.

Oh maker, now that you point it out he look like he's from dark shadows.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Again...Not an abomination. And you forgetting the Wynne, who was an abomination, has our morality. She never went crazy unless we tried to do something morally underhanded.

Also, I never said Cole was not dangerous but EVERYONE IN YOUR GROUP IS EQUALLY AS DANGEROUS. And Cole's goal clearly is not to simply kill people being that he stopped his mercy killing once he understood the issue with it.

Didn't i said that i don't care about morality? Same for mages... Abomnation and mage are always dangerous and their morality don't change that.Anders helping refugees for free so sorry he can have any morality he still is dangerous and unstable freak like cole.Not mention as i said wynne is years and years of distance in sanity comparing to cole and still proved that she can be dangerous and unstable. 

[Zellya]

Eee those guys were stable comparing to him not mention none of those was abomnation.Yep but being psycho nuts abomnation is not what our companion or pc are.Having blood on hand and be unstable abomnation that kills because he thinks if they will belive in him he won't vanish is another case. It is like compare soldier to psychopath who hunts local peoples... 

 

You seem to forget that Zevran more than once discussed how much he enjoyed taking lives as an assassin, Shale is a sociopath (comparable to HK-47 in the KotOR series honestly) who's first response is usually to ask if she can squish them. Morrigan saw people as nothing more than puppets to be used and discarded before meeting the Warden. And those are just a few xD

 

My point is just that there are very few companions that couldn't be argued to be psychopaths with something seriously wrong with them. Cole isn't special in this regard.

[leaguer of one]

Didn't i said that i don't care about morality? Same for mages... Abomnation and mage are always dangerous and their morality don't change that.Anders helping refugees for free so sorry he can have any morality he still is dangerous and unstable freak like cole.Not mention as i said wynne is years and years of distance in sanity comparing to cole and still proved that she can be dangerous and unstable. 

Please everyone is dangerous. Everyone mage or not... Morality and motivation matters. It's better wit work with a mage who wants to heal everyone then a beserker on blood lust who want to how many people he can chop off in a row with one swing or a doped up red templar. I'll even work with a spirit if it means I can save millions of lives.

[Faerah]

I'm very curious how they will go with his voice, if it's anything like the book it'd be raspy and 'unused' sounding. It'll be curious to see if they have it a lighter rasp, as I hope his voice isn't too deep.

 

...Honestly I want some video to see Cole in movement in a fight. Or just some movement videos of him in general. I wanna see if they gave him a more awkward slight step or if it's just like everyone elses stride. Cole fighting I have always seen to be very sneaky and visually 'warping' around. 

I'm actually sure I'll be fine with whoever they chose. Kind of like how Fenris didn't have what people would consider a "traditional elf" voice, but I thought it was fine. But I'm still genuinely curious. It's be nice to put a voice to Cole next time I read Asunder before DAI launches. 

[leaguer of one]

I'm actually sure I'll be fine with whoever they chose. Kind of like how Fenris didn't have what people would consider a "traditional elf" voice, but I thought it was fine. But I'm still genuinely curious. It's be nice to put a voice to Cole next time I read Asunder before DAI launches. 

What main character elf did have a tradition elf voice?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You seem to forget that Zevran more than once discussed how much he enjoyed taking lives as an assassin, Shale is a sociopath (comparable to HK-47 in the KotOR series honestly) who's first response is usually to ask if she can squish them. Morrigan saw people as nothing more than puppets to be used and discarded before meeting the Warden. And those are just a few xD

 

My point is just that there are very few companions that couldn't be argued to be psychopaths with something seriously wrong with them. Cole isn't special in this regard.

I always think of Zaeed's line from Mass Effect 2: "Only two kinds of people like that: trained killers and psychopaths. Most people can't tell the difference" 

[Faerah]

What main character elf did have a tradition elf voice?

I just meant pitch, or tone, how deep or high it was or whatever. Not specifically accent.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You seem to forget that Zevran more than once discussed how much he enjoyed taking lives as an assassin, Shale is a sociopath (comparable to HK-47 in the KotOR series honestly) who's first response is usually to ask if she can squish them. Morrigan saw people as nothing more than puppets to be used and discarded before meeting the Warden. And those are just a few xD

 

My point is just that there are very few companions that couldn't be argued to be psychopaths with something seriously wrong with them. Cole isn't special in this regard.

Well i didn't and still think that leliana is nuts. however even sociopath isn't near dangerous as abomnation and unstable.When as i said companions have some problems it isn't even close to uldred or anders... It is like comparing amoral merchant to doomsday.

 

 

Please everyone is dangerous. Everyone mage or not... Morality and motivation matters. It's better wit work with a mage who wants to heal everyone then a beserker on blood lust who want to how many people he can chop off in a row with one swing or a doped up red templar. I'll even work with a spirit if it means I can save millions of lives.

LoL epic fail we have goody two shoes mage she is alrturistic and puf she turns into abomnaton morality didn't change anything.And we have amoral di*** mage that didn't turn into abomnation he was di*** and wasn't destructive...  That you use red templars as argument is cheap who said that they aren't dangerous lunatics?

[Faerah]

Ok children I have a short story to tell you.

 

Once upon a time, TheKomandorShepard didn't like any spirit or demon and anything relating to them. He could not be swayed from his ideals so he killed them all, the end. 

[Zellya]

I'm having the same dilemma, as I want to romance Sera and have Cole in my party 24/7... that's two rogues and I usually ALWAYS play a bow-wielding rogue. Bow wielding dalish rogue gal is my "canon" character. ACK. I'm thinking of switching to mage honestly. These are sacrifices one must make... They are the only two characters I actually am actively interested in and for me it's imperative to include them!

I knoooooow. Cole is my bby but I love Varic... and Sera looks amazing too, but I need Iron Bull in my party at all times, he's just too awesome @.@

 

But I also need a mage with healing specs in my party (I'm a rogue at heart even when I'm not playing one. I hate using items and horde like no tomorrow), which, unless they're going to allow you to make any of your mage companions healers, I suspect either Dorian or Solas. 

 

I'm not sure If I like Vivienne or not, but then again I'm biased against Pro-Circle mages, I always have been. 

 

 

Ok children I have a short story to tell you.

 

Once upon a time, TheKomandorShepard didn't like any spirit or demon and anything relating to them. He could not be swayed from his ideals so he killed them all, the end.  

 

hahaha Yes Ma'am ( or is it Sir? ) :3

[dragondreamer]

Yep.  One of the fan theories was that Cole was originally a Spirit of Compassion that was drawn to the real Cole as he was dying alone in The Pit.  From there, the idea is that something happened when the real Cole died to affect the spirit.  Now, he's rather unknown, a mix of almost human, spirit and a bit of the demonic.  There is no doubt though, after reading Asunder, that the Cole we're going to meet is still inherently good by nature.

 

I'm just wondering how the writers are going to pull off the rather tricky task of explaining Cole for anyone that didn't read the book.  It took most of the novel to explain him, and a rather large post on the OP (thanks for that!) to sum him up.  Sadly, I'm wondering if I'm going to have room for him in my party.  I always roll a rogue to start.  I'm probably taking Sera around, because I'm very intrigued by her potential "sassiness."  Varric is in as well, so I think I'll have to make room for a healer and/or tank.

 

I've always liked the idea that he was a Hope spirit that got corrupted into Despair when he witnessed the original Cole's death and accidentally imprinted him.  But yeah, he's identified so strongly as human that it's placed him into a grey area; and thanks to Rhys' influence his behavior has swayed into what's generally considered "good" even though the nature of his existence is what would commonly be identified as demonic.

 

All of our companions had a past before the PC meets them, and they're explained as much as they need to be explained.  The Inquisitor doesn't know Cole, so s/he'll be meeting Cole without the benefit of reading Asunder as well.      

 

Cole is going to be my main party rogue.  Solas is going to be my second mage (I usually have two mages in the party when I play mage), and the third space is likely to be switched between Cassandra and Blackwall.  Sera is tempting to have the mythical nearly all elf party   and it always feels wrong to leave Varric behind, but Cole just interests me the most.

 

Bathing with no soap! Eesh! I can see it now, my Inquisitor team will end up being known as the party that should probably go take a bath (Cole, Solas, and Iron Bull) and also team should not be going to a fancy party.

 

Still, it's something. 

 

I'm concerned about putting Iron Bull in a party with Cole...  I suspect the ability to interject into banters is going to come in handy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ok children I have a short story to tell you.

 

Once upon a time, TheKomandorShepard didn't like any spirit or demon and anything relating to them. He could not be swayed from his ideals so he killed them all, the end. 

LoL why i should like spirits or demons when series tortures us with "spirit and demons are dangerous" and pretty much shows on every step how poorly it ends when you ignore that statement.Pretty much i would call it common sense that you should chop anything that comes from fade because it is simple dangerous.

[leaguer of one]

Well i didn't and still think that leliana is nuts. however even sociopath isn't near dangerous as abomnation and unstable.When as i said companions have some problems it isn't even close to uldred or anders... It is like comparing amoral merchant to doomsday.

 

 

LoL epic fail we have goody two shoes mage she is alrturistic and puf she turns into abomnaton morality didn't change anything.And we have amoral di*** mage that didn't turn into abomnation he was di*** and wasn't destructive...  That you use red templars as argument is cheap who said that they aren't dangerous lunatics?

1. Cole is not an abomination

2.Wynne  never attacked anyone unless the person did something morally dubious. Saying she is dangerous because she attack you when you're trying to annual the circle or desecrate the ashes is not a point being that any teach who care for their students would defend them to the death and any religious person would defend their religions sacred artifacts. You're just trying to catch her with  loaded gun.

Wynne was an abomination and she kept her moral standards.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

LoL why i should like spirits or demons when series tortures us with "spirit and demons are dangerous" and pretty much shows on every step how poorly it ends when you ignore that statement.Pretty much i would call it common sense that you should chop anything that comes from fade because it is simple dangerous.

Will you kill your character because they have a power that comes from the Fade?