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[Eveangaline]

By Having him stab people allot?

By teaching him it's not ok to stab unless you were a bard, assassin, qunari agent, or any of the other mass murdering histories our companions have had.

[Omikuji]

And that post is what for i said that was my last post to him hm?

Please take it to the PMs. It's just become a petty argument that has nothing to do with Cole anymore and with arguments like that could lead to the closure of this thread.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Please take it to the PMs. It's just become a petty argument that has nothing to do with Cole anymore and with arguments like that could lead to the closure of this thread.

Why i should take it to the pm when i said that i won't talk with him more?Didn't read my last post? it is over

[Devtek]

Take your damn arguing about sourcing to PMs ffs. Your grammer is making my head hurt and your argumentation is seriously flawed.

As long as I can foster Cole's stabby stabby skills then he can be my best friend. I have a feeling Orlais is going to be taught a new Game.

[Grieving Natashina]

By teaching him it's not ok to stab unless you were a bard, assassin, qunari agent, or any of the other mass murdering histories our companions have had.

Well, aside from combat ethics, I could see Sera (or Varric) trying to teach him humor, with Sera especially trying to teach Cole bawdy jokes.  The poor kid has had a very rough time of it, but I'd love to see one of those shy smiles they talked about in Asunder.

[Omikuji]

Then lets get this back in order with a fresh start.

 

[SnakeCode]

Well, we've had killers in the party before. Even mass murderers, but never an actual serial killer. Something about that just goes beyond the usual level of creepiness imo. He isn't killing in a fit of passion or rage, like Anders or Sten. He isn't killing because it's his job, like Zevran. He was killing people because of a twisted idea of mercy, but more importantly, because he felt compelled to do so. He felt like murdering people kept him from disappearing. That right there is creepy!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Take your damn arguing about sourcing to PMs ffs. Your grammer is making my head hurt and your argumentation is seriously flawed.

As long as I can foster Cole's stabby stabby skills then he can be my best friend. I have a feeling Orlais is going to be taught a new Game.

Dude instead playing smart and wise trying to lecture peoples read what i said already 3 times that discussion is already over so well fail on your side...

[Grieving Natashina]

I'd love to see more art based on his current design where he's smiling.  I always pictured him having the most shy and sweetest smile, showing all of his joy on his face.  He's got a very expressive face from what the blurb has shown us, so I hope we don't always have to see him looking so sad and lost.

[Gikia-Kimikia]

AHEM.

 

So someone mentioned earlier that they wanted to introduce Cole to a bar of soap, and now all I'm imagining is a situation like Wynne trying to bathe your Mabari in Origins. Except possibly with less of a struggle.

 

As long as I can foster Cole's stabby stabby skills then he can be my best friend. I have a feeling Orlais is going to be taught a new Game.

 

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[AkiKishi]

I'd love to see more art based on his current design where he's smiling.  I always pictured him having the most shy and sweetest smile, showing all of his joy on his face.  He's got a very expressive face from what the blurb has shown us, so I hope we don't always have to see him looking so sad and lost.

 

He's only happy when he's killing people. 

[Eveangaline]

Well, we've had killers in the party before. Even mass murderers, but never an actual serial killer. Something about that just goes beyond the usual level of creepiness imo. He isn't killing in a fit of passion or rage, like Anders or Sten. He isn't killing because it's his job, like Zevran. He was killing people because of a twisted idea of mercy, but more importantly, because he felt compelled to do so. He felt like murdering people kept him from disappearing. That right there is creepy!

 

Yeah he is creepy. 

 

Also adorable and huggable. 

[Grieving Natashina]

He's only happy when he's killing people. 

No, that's not true.  Have you even read Asunder?  Rhys among the others makes him smile more than once.  He's happy when surrounded by friends and people that remembers him.  Cole's also a big hugger, another simple act that brings him a lot of joy.

 

If anything, he seems the most conflicted while he was killing.  He just felt the most connected to reality, more "solid."  However, he never came across as happy when he was mercy killing, other than people being able to see him.  Even before Rhys became Cole's conscious, I wouldn't say even at the beginning of the book that Cole had any sort of happiness or joy from killing.

[SnakeCode]

I just hope that Lambert isn't really dead. He was probably my favourite character introduced in Asunder.

[Omikuji]

I'd love to see more art based on his current design where he's smiling.  I always pictured him having the most shy and sweetest smile, showing all of his joy on his face.  He's got a very expressive face from what the blurb has shown us, so I hope we don't always have to see him looking so sad and lost.

I bet a small smile from him will be a reward for having a high enough friendship with him and been proving to him that you too want to help people. And it will be a marvelous reward. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I just hope that Lambert isn't really dead. He was probably my favourite character introduced in Asunder.

Me too.  I'd love to make sure that Cole finishes the job, if that miserable excuse for a templar is still sucking air.  

 

 

I bet a small smile from him will be a reward for having a high enough friendship with him and been proving to him that you too want to help people. And it will be a marvelous reward. 

That would be splendid.  

[AkiKishi]

No, that's not true.  Have you even read Asunder?  Rhys among the others makes him smile more than once.  He's happy when surrounded by friends and people that remembers him.  Cole's also a big hugger, another simple act that brings him a lot of joy.

 

If anything, he seems the most conflicted while he was killing.  He just felt the most connected to reality, more "solid."  However, he never came across as happy when he was mercy killing, other than people being able to see him.  Even before Rhys became Cole's conscious, I wouldn't say even at the beginning of the book that Cole had any sort of happiness or joy from killing.

 

I kill therefore I am.

[blussi]

Doesn't he stop killing innocent people at the end of Asunder though? I forgot where exactly it was but I remember him decided not to kill the woman who was trapped inside that grey warden keep... I don't really think he finds happiness in killing. He just does it because otherwise he will disappear into the void (fade). 

[Kisari]

No, that's not true.  Have you even read Asunder?  Rhys among the others makes him smile more than once.  He's happy when surrounded by friends and people that remembers him.  Cole's also a big hugger, another simple act that brings him a lot of joy.

 

If anything, he seems the most conflicted while he was killing.  He just felt the most connected to reality, more "solid."  However, he never came across as happy when he was mercy killing, other than people being able to see him.  Even before Rhys became Cole's conscious, I wouldn't say even at the beginning of the book that Cole had any sort of happiness or joy from killing.

Yeah I can't remember him taking joy in it. He did say it made him feel important, and that made him feel alive.

Spoiler

Also his last killing of an innocent is the only one we "witness" in the first chapter of Asunder. He doesn't murder anyone the entire book aside from some Tempalrs guarding Rhys at the end and supposedly Lambert. He stops himself from killing Pharamond and the girl trapped in Adamant.

[Grieving Natashina]

I kill therefore I am.

...Your point?  It's clearly shown in the book that he takes no pleasure or joy from his mercy kills.  He thinks it's a matter of survival.  That may not excuse his actions, but that certainly showed me that he didn't like it.  He took much more enjoyment out of spending time with his friends, getting hugged and the simple act of people remembering him.  I never recalled him smiling with any great joy as he killed people.    

 

Feeling important isn't the same as feeling happy.  

 

Doesn't he stop killing innocent people at the end of Asunder though? I forgot where exactly it was but I remember him decided not to kill the woman who was trapped inside that grey warden keep... I don't really think he finds happiness in killing. He just does it because otherwise he will disappear into the void (fade). 

This is correct.  

 

Spoiler

He also refused to kill Pharamond later, even though Phara was begging to die.  He knew that Rhys would be disappointed.  I think the quote on the blurb that he's still taken the lessons about friendship and about trying to do the right thing to heart.  

 

If Lambert was murdered by Cole, then I think that would be the first time Cole enjoyed killing someone.  I think it's the only time, at least so far before the events of the game.

[SnakeCode]

It comes down to personal opinion on whether the killings were merciful or not. I personally think Cole's main motivation behind the murders was the fear that he was slipping away. With him rationalising them as being merciful in nature so as to stamp out the guilt and validating something that had basically become his vice.

[SnakeCode]

 

Me too.  I'd love to make sure that Cole finishes the job, if that miserable excuse for a templar is still sucking air.  

 

I like Lambert. 

 

And he isn't a miserable excuse for a templar (he's a seeker  ) Evangeline is! 

[Grieving Natashina]

It comes down to personal opinion on whether the killings were merciful or not. I personally think Cole's main motivation behind the murders was the fear that he was slipping away. With him rationalising them as being merciful in nature so as to stamp out the guilt and validating something that had basically become his vice.

I think they were mercy kills.  These were mages thrown into the deepest cells, and left to rot.  If they were "lucky," they'd become tranquil.  They were begging for death, and it was a mercy for many of them.  I'm not going to argue against those that feel otherwise; as someone said earlier, this is a divisive character, and everyone is going to have their own interpretation of what Cole is/how he feels.

 

I don't think what Cole did was right, however I do believe that he was a mercy to those mages.  A Spirit of Hope or Compassion, gone horribly wrong.  I guess the fun part is going to see how his character arc plays out in the game.  I'm really curious about what the DA team has planned for him, and for the PC.

 

 

I like Lambert.  

 

And he isn't a miserable excuse for a templar (he's a seeker   ) Evangeline is! 

I think you have that backwards.    Edit: As far as who's the miserable excuse over their respectful faction.  

 

I'll amend it to say that I think Lambert is an awful person, and a bad Seeker.  Eva I loved, and I think that templars like her are what is going to save the Order from itself now that the Red Templars have been formed.

 

However, I'm not starting a debate over that subject.  It's been done to death.  I think I can say for both of us that we're both wondering where a lot of the characters of Asunder are now that Cole has been 100% confirmed as a companion.

[wright1978]

It comes down to personal opinion on whether the killings were merciful or not. I personally think Cole's main motivation behind the murders was the fear that he was slipping away. With him rationalising them as being merciful in nature so as to stamp out the guilt and validating something that had basically become his vice.

 

Don't see killings as merciful. His manipulation of the vulnerable was rather despicable imo.

[Char]

Good luck with that when you'll mostly be ordering him to, you know... kill people. 

*grins* I never said it would be the killing people issue that needed fixing. I'm more interested in sorting out the identity crisis and leaving a confident being ready to go wreak havoc. In Mass Effect my Shepard was very fond of Grunt. His love of killing things came in very handy. I see Cole as a more tormented Grunt in need of a role model I guess

If I had an issue with companions that liked killing things I wouldnt have had many companions