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[Nocte ad Mortem]

The characters I see most likely going in my party, besides Cole, are Dorian, Solas, Varric and Sera. I don't really see them clashing too heavily with Cole, unless they have issues I'm just not expecting. Probably Cole and whoever my LI is will be the main staples of my party. I'm hoping Dorian for LI, but maybe Solas if not. I could see them both having a more academic interest in Cole than anything. The ones I see as most likely to clash with Cole are Iron Bull and Cassandra. Maybe also Vivienne. 

[XMissWooX]

I personally don't think he's a possessed corpse or an abomination.

1) The 'real' Cole was younger when he died. The Cole we know now is seemingly older. Corpses don't age.

2) The Templars supposedly found Cole's body and disposed of it to hide their neglect.

3) When Cole is defeated by Lambert, he disappears entirely. If he were possessing a corpse or a live being, they would have been left behind.

 

Which leads me to believe that he is a spirit/demon who has physically entered the world - like a Shade.

Possibly the reason he looks like Cole is because he subconsciously took on his appearance when he also gained his memories. It seems that he may have also subconsciously aged himself up over the past few years or so, perhaps emulating the growth of a living human.

[Mistic]

Tbh I think the most telling thing is the fact that he refused to kill Pharamond despite the guy directly asking him to. There's a marked difference between Cole at that point and what he was like at the beginning of the book.

 

I wonder if our actions could influence his personality, not unlike what Rhys did or PCs did in other Bioware games (Alistair, Leliana, Garrus, etc.).

 

Also, wondering if Cole may be the key to solve the Inquisitor's secret: why can he or she close the Veil Tears with their glowing green hand of doom? One of the favourite theories is that the Inquisitor is possessed by a spirit (Hope since to be the most popular, not only because of the implications, but because WoT singled them out as some of the rarest and most powerful spirits around, law of narrative causality and all that), but what if the Inquisitor is a being similar to Cole?

[Faerah]

GUYS BUT HOW DO I CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE?! I really need to put momquisitors in there somewhere! (I don't care if you're male you can be a momquisitor to Cole too)

 

Edit: Nevermind, figured it out   

[Nocte ad Mortem]

As for influencing Cole, his leaked survey basically made that seem like his character arc, but the new information makes it seem like Cole is more set in his own beliefs. It implies that he will leave a power hungry, abusive Inquisitor and that he firmly is in the court of helping people and restoring positive order to the world. So, at this point, I think they've decided to give Cole more of a fixed point than to let us mess around with his personality. In a way, I prefer this route, because I think he seems like more of an equal to the others this way and it was a bit questionable that we could manipulate him to our will by the implications of the survey.     

[Hellion Rex]

GUYS BUT HOW DO I CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE?! I really need to put momquisitors in there somewhere! (I don't care if you're male you can be a momquisitor to Cole too)

 

Edit: Nevermind, figured it out   

But what about Dadquisitors?

[Leoroc]

I think Cole is a lot like Anders/Justice but that they merged together while Cole was probably 10/12ish in age and have been together much longer than Anders/Justice were so they really are one person now.

[Faerah]

But what about Dadquisitors?

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine I guess we can have dadquisitors too. TWIST MY ARM. 

[A.Kazama]

God... As much as I love cole I finally zoomed in close enough to see his features...

He looks really sick and the blood veins make him look undead.







Sweet...

[Panda]

I think Cole is a lot like Anders/Justice but that they merged together while Cole was probably 10/12ish in age and have been together much longer than Anders/Justice were so they really are one person now.

 

Well personally I don't think the boy Cole exists anymore, I think he has died and spirit Cole owns the body now. Only my views though, I guess we know if Gaider wants to clarify Cole's situation more before the game or in the actual game.

[Leoroc]

Bathing with no soap! Eesh! I can see it now, my Inquisitor team will end up being known as the party that should probably go take a bath (Cole, Solas, and Iron Bull) and also team should not be going to a fancy party.

If there is a fancy party moment my group will absolutely be Vivienne, Cole and Iron Bull. Just to me Cole and Bull can embarrass the hell out of Vivienne with our table manners.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The main point that I don't understand, if Cole the spirit is in the human boy's body in any capacity, why isn't he a mage?

[Faerah]

If there is a fancy party moment my group will absolutely be Vivienne, Cole and Iron Bull. Just to me Cole and Bull can embarrass the hell out of Vivienne with our table manners.

I'm taking him to every official and/or fancy thing in this game and no one can tell me that that's a bad idea. Especially if he gets respectable clothes out of it. He'd be the best for keeping an eye out for assassins. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Cole seems like a great choice for a fancy ball, if the others can't see him, like in the books. He could listen in on any conversations you wanted him to and nobody would notice his bad fashion. 

 

Other than that, Vivienne and Dorian look like the best two to rock a fancy ball with. Haha. 

[cogsandcurls]

Loving the new thread title

[dragondreamer]

this! my canon DA2 romance is Fenris and usual party was Fenris, Anders, Merril & Pro-Mage-MageHawke and as much as she loved Fenris and was Anders's friend I always wished she could interject and be like WILL U BOYS LEAVE MERRIL ALONE or I WILL TURN THIS HAWKETRAIN AROUND

 

EXACTLY. 

[Lambdadelta]

I very much doubt that the Cole we know is a spirit possessing a dead body. It's fairy obvious that Cole is very much physically alive, and spirit-Cole's dialogue at the end of the book spells out quite explicitly that the original Cole died, did not survive, that there was a corpse and that the templars saw that corpse and disposed of it before erasing all evidence of his existence. Where exactly current Cole's body came from, though, baffles me entirely. I don't think spirits have the power to create living breathing physical bodies for themselves out of thin air- if they did, a lot things would be very different!

 

So it probably went like this: spirit-before-Cole came to the world, somehow, stayed with Cole while he died, somehow took on his personality and memories and adopted it for himself, but then what? Wouldn't he be still a Fade spirit with boy-Cole's mind then, instead of a physically existing and living human being who happens to be invisible and who everyone forgets that struggles with existing? Or Is it a "if you believe in things it makes them real" kind of thing and when spirit-Cole forgot who he really was and what happened, got so deeply into its new Cole persona that it started to sincerely believe that he/it really is Cole, and then the physical body and aging became real because spirit-Cole believed they already were? Not sure how compatible that kind of theory is with Dragon Age lore, or whether that's even possible, but that's my best guess.

 

Though that'd explain a lot about why Cole needs a gauge for reality so badly and so desperately needs a constant reaffirmation of his own existence. It would mean that his whole basis for existence in a physical sense is so fragile and there's a constant threat of suddenly remembering and realizing that he's not real and neither is his physical body. And why he just disappears during the Lambert fight when that realization does come; this kind of explanation would add a different context to the sheer shock and the massive crisis and confusion over what he is that clearly happened there. I'm wondering whether Inquisition Cole remembers that event or whether he just blocked it out.

 

Another thing: I think the original spirit, when it took on Cole's persona but before it became so into it that it forgot itself, still existence somewhere on a deeply subconscious level, as a kind of base instinct and does a lot of things that current-Cole does not. And it 'takes over', for the lack of a better way to put it, in very special situations, such as at the end of the book when it killed Lambert; that was the subconscious spirit that originally was speaking. And this is the internal 'darkness' the narration refers to. 

[KirstyLionheart]

Wow I'm not used to the thread moving so fast.. I have some reading to do.

[Faerah]

If the body of the original Cole is still actually around (assuming the Templars dumped it in the Pit instead of burning it) I assume that the spirit resurrected Cole (like Wynne) instead of the spirit possessing the corpse itself since the whole weird aging thing. Except maybe the spirit is more prominent in the abomination than the human now. Almost like if Justice took over Anders all/most of the time or something. This is just one of my theories though. I've thought up a bunch of stuff that might be what's going on trying to figure out what Cole is.

[Faerah]

Wow I'm not used to the thread moving so fast.. I have some reading to do.

Yeah yesterday I knew Cole was revealed but I wanted to catch up. I think it ended up taking me a couple hours between this thread and the twitter one. 

[Hellion Rex]

I very much doubt that the Cole we know is a spirit possessing a dead body. It's fairy obvious that Cole is very much physically alive, and spirit-Cole's dialogue at the end of the book spells out quite explicitly that the original Cole died, did not survive, that there was a corpse and that the templars saw that corpse and disposed of it before erasing all evidence of his existence. Where exactly current Cole's body came from, though, baffles me entirely. I don't think spirits have the power to create living breathing physical bodies for themselves out of thin air- if they did, a lot things would be very different!

I think his "body" more or less manifests in a way similar to how desire demons and pride demons have distinct forms when they cross the Veil. His killing of people kept him grounded in the mortal realm, and his form disappeared when Lambert made him realize what he truly was.

[Faerah]

Fanart dump time!

 

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Cole. And his hat.

I figure that maybe the hat exists somewhat on the material plane, and therefore makes a perfect perch for the resident nug companion. Which would mean that the Inquisitor and company could keep tabs on where Cole was standing. Or they would be terrified over the floating nug. (Schmooples ascending to god-level!)

 

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[Lambdadelta]

I think his "body" more or less manifests in a way similar to how desire demons and pride demons have distinct forms when they cross the Veil. His killing of people kept him grounded in the mortal realm, and his form disappeared when Lambert made him realize what he truly was.

 

I was going to ask what you meant by the desire demons and pride demons having distinct forms when crossing the Veil and where do we have lore on that, but then I remembered how often we encounter them in the game, outside the Fade, in their true, distinct forms, not as abominations but as they actually are, as they look in the Fade, and then I got it. Huh, since pride and desire demons are said to be the most powerful, that would imply that whatever spirit Cole was also had to be pretty powerful- powerful enough to be able to exist in a distinct form in the mortal world without needing a host. Apparently Hope and Faith are the strongest spirits there are, having just checked, and Compassion the weakest, which puts a pretty big dent in my theory that he was a spirit of Compassion, but I don't know, neither hope or faith seem to me very in line at all with Cole's modus operandi in Asunder, or with the little we know of the original spirit in itself.

[KirstyLionheart]

Ughh I have no likes, and there's so many things to like!

And hehe.. the thread title but since Cole is physically around my age, early 20s, I feel no mothering instinct towards him whatsoever. The only mothering instinct I have so far is towards my cat and pet ratties! So I'll stick with being friends. Sorry Cole, I'm not ready to mother you. Not yet!

It still feels so surreal. We've had absolutely nothing. Then out of the blue, we get Cole. And I can quite honestly say I'm not disappointed. His appearance fits his character perfectly. Now I just can't wait for the Q&A up on the site (:

[Faerah]

Ughh I have no likes, and there's so many things to like!

And hehe.. the thread title but since Cole is physically around my age, early 20s, I feel no mothering instinct towards him whatsoever. The only mothering instinct I have so far is towards my cat and pet ratties! So I'll stick with being friends. Sorry Cole, I'm not ready to mother you. Not yet!

It still feels so surreal. We've had absolutely nothing. Then out of the blue, we get Cole. And I can quite honestly say I'm not disappointed. His appearance fits his character perfectly. Now I just can't wait for the Q&A up on the site (:

I'm only 25 and have no urges to have children BUT I SWEAR I WILL SMOTHER THIS KID IN MOTHERLY LOVE EVEN IF IT KILLS ME.