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[Chari]

I don't know what they're gonna do with Cole; whether he's good all along or evil all along or he could go either way depending on our actions, but honestly at this point I'm kind of hoping Cole turns out to be evil.

 

And it's not out of any spite or dislike of Cole or his fans.

 

I just think they've baited this trap so well, they've suckered so many people in so brilliantly that to not pay it off with Cole turning out to be evil would be a damn shame. They've got the perfect wounded gazelle gambit going here and I'd hate to see it not capitalized on.

Well, he does take a place of Judas in that theory... 

I bet either he'll be one of the most responsible for the mess, or maybe at some point it will seem he is yet he is actually not and it's just the Big Bad who uses him

[Faerah]

I don't know what they're gonna do with Cole; whether he's good all along or evil all along or he could go either way depending on our actions, but honestly at this point I'm kind of hoping Cole turns out to be evil.

 

And it's not out of any spite or dislike of Cole or his fans.

 

I just think they've baited this trap so well, they've suckered so many people in so brilliantly that to not pay it off with Cole turning out to be evil would be a damn shame. They've got the perfect wounded gazelle gambit going here and I'd hate to see it not capitalized on.

I'm not sure, you could argue that Bioware might be trying to show a good side of the Fade since the bad aftertaste Anders/Justice left with most people. It would also be nice to depict a morally good character as looking "evil", kind of running with the idea of "never judge a book by it's cover".

[Kisari]

"Cole, why are there turnips in the fireplace?"

 

This almost reminds me of when I find my cats or dog messing with something completely random and something they shouldn't normally care about.

 

"Tyrant, why are you eating raw spinach? You're a cat."

I was going to find Otumeel's dialogue from Elder Scrolls Oblivion where he talks about moving people's belongings around but it is impossible to search anything Elder Scrolls related on youtube. I just get billions of "sexy Skyrim harem!!!!" despite searching his name directly. >_>

 

 

I don't know what they're gonna do with Cole; whether he's good all along or evil all along or he could go either way depending on our actions, but honestly at this point I'm kind of hoping Cole turns out to be evil.

 

And it's not out of any spite or dislike of Cole or his fans.

 

I just think they've baited this trap so well, they've suckered so many people in so brilliantly that to not pay it off with Cole turning out to be evil would be a damn shame. They've got the perfect wounded gazelle gambit going here and I'd hate to see it not capitalized on.

This would be awesome. I love evil. Someone being evil doesn't stop me from liking them. In fact it would only make me like him more.

But I don't think he will be personally. If he does turn out to be a demon sent through to destroy man-kind I'd assume if we have his loyalty he'd resist. I think his character is pivotal in understanding spirits and giving us a clear look at a fade creature that is on their own and believes they are human. Unlike Justice who knows and remembers he is a spirit. Kind of a "what makes you human?" type thing.

[nightcobra]

I can just see Iron Bull trying to teach Cole to be a man or something. 

 

Iron Bull: Here kid, have a drink

 

Cole: *sniff sniff* smells funny

 

Iron Bull: tastes funnier too Hahaha!

 

Cole: *sips ale*   Blergh!    It's bitter

[azarhal]

What I'm curious about is whether Sera's reaction towards Cole is meant to be a character flaw on her part, or if it's meant to be a warning to the player's that Cole isn't as benevolent as he seems to be, and Sera's our resident evil-detecting blood-hound.

 

Sera doesn't like complicated things. Cole is certainly a complicated thing, he can't even explain himself.

 

She might also not like "Fade occupants". Most people in Thedas aren't fans of things that come from the Fade actually.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not sure, you could argue that Bioware might be trying to show a good side of the Fade since the bad aftertaste Anders/Justice left with most people. It would also be nice to depict a morally good character as looking "evil", kind of running with the idea of "never judge a book by it's cover".

That would be neat. And speaking of Anders, with him we had a spirit become a demon while with Cole I can see the reverse happening to Cole from the interview.

[Kingthlayer]

I don't know what they're gonna do with Cole; whether he's good all along or evil all along or he could go either way depending on our actions, but honestly at this point I'm kind of hoping Cole turns out to be evil.

 

And it's not out of any spite or dislike of Cole or his fans.

 

I just think they've baited this trap so well, they've suckered so many people in so brilliantly that to not pay it off with Cole turning out to be evil would be a damn shame. They've got the perfect wounded gazelle gambit going here and I'd hate to see it not capitalized on.

 

Evil Cole would be perfect for my Necromancer.  I don't think that Inquisitor will have too many people left with the choices he will make.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's interesting that Weekes says Cole didn't use blood magic, because most people seemed to assume that was given fact. I always was working under the assumption that it was only other characters theories. I wonder if this will change some people's opinions to a point.

[Airell]

Cole is one of those people you do not trust a first, but once you get to know him he become your best friend.

the party may not like him at first but they will grow to love him like family by the end of the story.

[Wulfram]

Nawwww
Cheer up. Patrick *did* say he was optional.

 

I know this is liable to rouse the protective wrath of the mumquisition, but I do hope there's the option to try to do something more permanent than send him on his way with a polite refusal. 

Emphasis on try since the dude's likely to be pretty good at escaping.

[Former_Fiend]

I'm not sure, you could argue that Bioware might be trying to show a good side of the Fade since the bad aftertaste Anders/Justice left with most people. It would also be nice to depict a morally good character as looking "evil", kind of running with the idea of "never judge a book by it's cover".

 

That very well may be what they're doing, and it's a perfectly valid way to go about it. 

 

I'm just thinking, in a very detached way, how beautiful the faces of all the Cole-fans would be in that moment when he stabs them in the back after all the hugs and support they've thrown his way. 

 

And like I said, it's not out of a sense of wanting to see anyone suffer; it's just from a writing perspective, getting that kind of reaction out of people is a beautiful thing. And I hate to see opportunities wasted.

[ElitePinecone]

It's interesting that Weekes says Cole didn't use blood magic, because most people seemed to assume that was given fact. I always was working under the assumption that it was only other characters theories. I wonder if this will change some people's opinions to a point.

 

A demon or spirit presumably has magic of their own that doesn't require blood, but might resemble it in its effects. 

[Zellya]

I don't know what they're gonna do with Cole; whether he's good all along or evil all along or he could go either way depending on our actions, but honestly at this point I'm kind of hoping Cole turns out to be evil.

 

And it's not out of any spite or dislike of Cole or his fans.

 

I just think they've baited this trap so well, they've suckered so many people in so brilliantly that to not pay it off with Cole turning out to be evil would be a damn shame. They've got the perfect wounded gazelle gambit going here and I'd hate to see it not capitalized on.

 

Eh I personally just don't see it. After reading Asunder, Cole has always struck me as a painfully honest character. Deception isn't really in his personality, at least not intentionally. He might fly into dangerious rage if someone he cares about or views as needing protection gets hurt or abused, (similar to Justice/Vengeance) but I can't see him turning "evil" on purpose.

 

And that's completely ignoring the fact that I'm not really a fan of villains that are evil for the sake of being evil. I prefer villains that make you wonder if you wouldn't do the same thing if you had experienced the same things they did. Revan (from the KotOR series), Loghain and Lambert are good examples of that.

[godModeAlpha]

Weekes made a case for him being an innocent young lad, this I believe is intentional to distract us from the fact the Cole is a Demon.

Having said that a lot of crimes have been committed under the guise of "I was only trying to help", oh another "he's just a kid".

He's a great character but what will you do if more than turnips end up in the fireplace?

... One misty morning...
Vivienne: Screeeeeeammmmms
Vivienne: Sera come here quick ... Maker have mercy
Sera: it was that thing I bet it was
Iron Bull: Let's not jump to conclusions here, I've done worse after a few pints, besides the lad just needs to get laid
Varric: < insert Varric one liner here >
Inquisitor: everyone stand back, Cole can you come into the war room, like the good lad you are
Cole: Sure
Inquisitor: Cole do you know anything about this
Cole: Yes, last night you told me it was ok to feed the dog
Inquisitor: shakes head, so you fed him Leliana's nug?

The point here is you can't assume Cole will get it right even with the best of intentions, so cut him some slack or don't recruit him ..lol

He will make the inquisition, will keep an eye on him. Cole is quirky and cool.

[Aran Linvail]

For me Cole is a very Interesting companion , he have a spot in my party for sure , i don't like the Rebel elf girl anyways so ... Only Cole is optinal ? I wish all the companions are , well maybe not Cassandra for gameplay reasons , but all the others.

[XMissWooX]

I know this is liable to rouse the protective wrath of the mumquisition, but I do hope there's the option to try to do something more permanent than send him on his way with a polite refusal. 

Emphasis on try since the dude's likely to be pretty good at escaping.

Well if you feel he's dangerous (and I agree that he could be, if left to his own devices) then by all means try.

I suppose with Cole, there *is* at least some basis for wanting to kill him, more so than some of the other companions who some players want to kill on first sight.

[Hellion Rex]

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[Hanako Ikezawa]

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Aw. This makes me so happy yet sad. 

[Faerah]

That very well may be what they're doing, and it's a perfectly valid way to go about it. 

 

I'm just thinking, in a very detached way, how beautiful the faces of all the Cole-fans would be in that moment when he stabs them in the back after all the hugs and support they've thrown his way. 

 

And like I said, it's not out of a sense of wanting to see anyone suffer; it's just from a writing perspective, getting that kind of reaction out of people is a beautiful thing. And I hate to see opportunities wasted.

Most of us fans are probably aware of the possibility of getting stabbed, but also know that Cole is extremely loyal to people he likes, like Rhys. If he hurts us, my guess is it would be an accident and he would be REALLY upset about it if he likes us. Personally if he ended up hurting my character in whatever manner, I wouldn't really be that surprised, but I'm also a pessimist so take that as you will. But I'm still a fan of Cole and want to give him hugs. 

 

Edit: It's a lot like saying an animal won't bite. It has a mouth and if it feels it needs to, it might use it. Even if it hurts the person it loves by accident, it's always a possibility.

[Former_Fiend]

Eh I personally just don't see it. After reading Asunder, Cole has always struck me as a painfully honest character. Deception isn't really in his personality, at least not intentionally. He might fly into dangerious rage if someone he cares about or views as needing protection gets hurt or abused, (similar to Justice/Vengeance) but I can't see him turning "evil" on purpose.

 

And that's completely ignoring the fact that I'm not really a fan of villains that are evil for the sake of being evil. I prefer villains that make you wonder if you wouldn't do the same thing if you had experienced the same things they did. Revan (from the KotOR series), Loghain and Lambert are good examples of that.

 

Well I'm not saying he's going to be monologuing, mustache-twirling, simple evil. If they were to turn him evil I expect they'd have a complex and compelling reason for it. 

 

But they're in an incredibly advantageous position here; they have a character that, by all rights, no one should trust - a potentially demonic, memory-wiping serial killer - and all anyone wants to do is give the kid a hug. Maybe it says something about the kind of person I am that I see that, as a writer, as the perfect time to pull the swerve, but it's there.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well if you feel he's dangerous (and I agree that he could be, if left to his own devices) then by all means try.

I suppose with Cole, there *is* at least some basis for wanting to kill him, more so than some of the other companions who some players want to kill on first sight.

Well, it seems like a perspective issue. All the characters are capable of being dangerous, or they wouldn't be there. Most of them have strong beliefs and strong ties to factions which may be in opposition to the course you want to take. I think there are almost always reasons why you could rationally want to eliminate characters as possible threats to your personal goals.

 

That being said, I've never wanted to murder knife a companions so far. Nobody has ever died or left me in a playthrough. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That being said, I've never wanted to murder knife a companions so far. Nobody has ever died or left me in a playthrough. 

What about the Aliatair/Loghain or Sebastian/Anders situations? 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What about the Aliatair/Loghain or Sebastian/Anders situations? 

I always forget that Loghain is a companion. You're right, Sebastian left and Loghain died. I guess Bethany and Carver have died in playthroughs, too. (The unavoidable, class restricted way, not later.) But I've never lost anyone in a situation where I didn't have to lose someone. lol   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I always forget that Loghain is a companion. You're right, Sebastian left and Loghain died. I guess Bethany and Carver have died in playthroughs, too. (The unavoidable, class restricted way, not later.) But I've never lost anyone in a situation where I didn't have to lose someone. lol   

I'm Alistair left and Anders died mostly myself. But yeah, I'm like you. The only times I've ever lost a companion is when it is scripted(the Hawke sibling) or when you have to lose one or the other(Ashley/Kaiden, the DA examples already given). 

[wildannie]

http://www.dragonage.com/#!/en_US/news

 

There's a interview with Patrick weeks regarding cole up on the site now.  

 

late to the party I guess