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[leaguer of one]

Part of the issue is that everyone's taking Cole's desire to help people at face value. 

 

The simple answer as to why Sera dislikes Cole despite Cole's desire to help people is that Sera doesn't believe Cole's desire to help people is genuine.

 

We, as readers and players can come to the conclusion that Cole, at least, believes he's not malevolent even if he's wrong. But characters working without the information we have have every reason not to trust him.

That's not the case at all. It's a lot more basic then that. She thinks Cole is a demon and with all the things demon have done and people have heard about you are surprises someone if freaked out?

[Former_Fiend]

That's not the case at all. It's a lot more basic then that. She thinks Cole is a demon and with all the things demon have done and people have heard about you are surprises someone if freaked out?

 

Cole is a demon who says he wants to help people. That he is a demon is all the reason Sera or any reasonable person needs not to trust that claim.

 

I'm not surprised at all that would freak Sera out. I'm surprised that people are surprised at Sera's reaction. That anyone wouldn't want to give Cole a hug and be his big sister/best friend/surrogate parent has apparently never occurred to some of his fans.

[Phate Phoenix]

I don't see why Sera calling Cole an "it" is extreme. Do demons/spirits/whatever Cole is actually have different genders?

 

The reason I see it implying something negative is that Weekes, Cole's writer, refers to Cole as a 'he', and specific emphasis is placed on Sera calling Cole 'it'. Now, whether Cole is bothered by it is something else entirely. Perhaps Cole has become aware enough of his self to develop a preference, perhaps not. It's something we'll have to see in-game. But it seems implied in the interview that Sera means it in a negative way.

 

NOTE: I do not hate Sera for this, I don't like her character less, I'm not putting Sera down, I do not blame Sera for being wary and suspicious of a demonic entity, I still really like Sera. PHEW. If I'm allowed to dislike characters, then certainly the other characters are allowed to do so, too. 

[mordy_was_here]

I'm surprised that people are surprised at Sera's reaction. 

 

Indeed. Key note here: Sera hasn't read Asunder. All she knows is Cole is something from the Fade.

[LobselVith8]

Cole is a demon who says he wants to help people. That he is a demon is all the reason Sera or any reasonable person needs not to trust that claim.

 

I'm not surprised at all that would freak Sera out. I'm surprised that people are surprised at Sera's reaction. That anyone wouldn't want to give Cole a hug and be his big sister/best friend/surrogate parent has apparently never occurred to some of his fans.

 

Cole does bring to mind Zevran: a dangerous individual who is distrusted by others, but who might end up being an asset to your eclectic group (and possibly a friend to your character).

[Former_Fiend]

Well you guys were acting superior and being judgmental, calling me a freaking pedophile because I was intrigued by the latest character reveal. And you do it to other people too. It's ok to romance aliens, Qunari, and half naked women like Isabela or Morrigan, but it's not ok to have the slightest interest in the latest character reveal of Cole??

So sorry that, based on THAT information, he seemed like a cool romance. I know he won't be an LI and I'm not making any demands. I was just stating my interests - I don't have any wild preconceived notions about "wittle baby" Cole. I'm not into *that* and it feels like this character reveal has set people up for condemnation - he looks like an adult male! And there was nothing in the Q&A stating that he was childlike - all that was ever said was Gaider's stance on the novel's character's mental state, which just makes him sound more alien (not baby-ish) than anything else.

 

Part of it comes from exasperation. Gaider said months and months ago that Cole had the mentality of a child. It's been repeated for months, since. 

 

So whenever someone new comes up wanting to romance him, there's a certain level of "Oh, not again!"; an annoyance with having to repeat one's self. 

[SnakeCode]

Yeah I get that Sera is using it in a negative way, but I still don't think it's all that extreme. I mean he's (most likely) a demon for Pete's sake. People on Thedas are supposed to be terrified of them, and rightly so.

[KirstyLionheart]

I don't see why Sera calling Cole an "it" is extreme. Do demons/spirits/whatever Cole is actually have different genders?

 

I think it seems "extreme" to some people from a human perspective, since being referred to as "it" is derogatory. I think that's why it would irritate me to hear her refer to Cole that way. Purely because of her intent to insult. ^^

 

EDIT - to clarify, I don't personally think it's extreme.

[Faerah]

Well you guys were acting superior and being judgmental, calling me a freaking pedophile because I was intrigued by the latest character reveal. And you do it to other people too. It's ok to romance aliens, Qunari, and half naked women like Isabela or Morrigan, but it's not ok to have the slightest interest in the latest character reveal of Cole??

So sorry that, based on THAT information, he seemed like a cool romance. I know he won't be an LI and I'm not making any demands. I was just stating my interests - I don't have any wild preconceived notions about "wittle baby" Cole. I'm not into *that* and it feels like this character reveal has set people up for condemnation - he looks like an adult male! And there was nothing in the Q&A stating that he was childlike - all that was ever said was Gaider's stance on the novel's character's mental state, which just makes him sound more alien (not baby-ish) than anything else.

Now that you say where you're coming from, it's understandable. But a tiny word of advice is you might want to talk in a less aggressive/offensive manner. I think a lot of people were being hostile to you because your typing comes off sort of hostile.

 

Part of it comes from exasperation. Gaider said months and months ago that Cole had the mentality of a child. It's been repeated for months, since. 

 

So whenever someone new comes up wanting to romance him, there's a certain level of "Oh, not again!"; an annoyance with having to repeat one's self. 

Also yeah this, romance springs up here and there and it gets repetitive.

[leaguer of one]

Cole is a demon who says he wants to help people. That he is a demon is all the reason Sera or any reasonable person needs not to trust that claim.

 

I'm not surprised at all that would freak Sera out. I'm surprised that people are surprised at Sera's reaction. That anyone wouldn't want to give Cole a hug and be his big sister/best friend/surrogate parent has apparently never occurred to some of his fans.

It would not matter if he wanted to help people or not.  His want to help being genuine  is not the issue with the people of thedus. It the fact the he is a being that normally consumes and defiles them.

 

Saying she don't like him because he many not be genuine is missing the point.

[Omikuji]

That's not the case at all. It's a lot more basic then that. She thinks Cole is a demon and with all the things demon have done and people have heard about you are surprises someone if freaked out?

The thing that surprised me the most was the fact that Iron Bull, one who is out right stated to be fearful of demons, has no issues with Cole whatsoever because of his want of helping the team. The team is important to him it seems, and teamwork and trust overthrows his perfectly justified fear of demons tell a lot about the character.

 

For Sera to outright not speak to 'it' is telling of her as well. Even if the Inquisitor brings in Cole to the party and she acts that way it makes her seem very face value fearful. It comes off as petty to do a silent treatment to him, at least Vivianne is more justified how she is described in just wanting to banish Cole. You'd think Sera would be more open minded at least to the idea of a creature that wants to only help others could actually just want to do good rather than this talk of possible back stabbing. 

 

At least, that's how I see it currently. 

[Former_Fiend]

I'm curious about how Cole's powers have evolved.

 

When he makes people forget about him - which he can apparently do consciously now - can he only make them forget about him entirely, or could he make them forget a specific instance or occurrence? 

[Former_Fiend]

It would not matter if he wanted to help people or not.  His want to help being genuine  is not the issue with the people of thedus. It the fact the he is a being that normally consumes and defiles them.

 

Saying she don't like him because he many not be genuine is missing the point.

 

I'm not talking about the people of Thedas, I'm talking about the people of the BSN and their reaction to Sera's reaction to Cole.

[Zellya]

Well you guys were acting superior and being judgmental, calling me a freaking pedophile because I was intrigued by the latest character reveal. And you do it to other people too. It's ok to romance aliens, Qunari, and half naked women like Isabela or Morrigan, but it's not ok to have the slightest interest in the latest character reveal of Cole??

So sorry that, based on THAT information, he seemed like a cool romance. I know he won't be an LI and I'm not making any demands. I was just stating my interests - I don't have any wild preconceived notions about "wittle baby" Cole. I'm not into *that* and it feels like this character reveal has set people up for condemnation - he looks like an adult male! And there was nothing in the Q&A stating that he was childlike - all that was ever said was Gaider's stance on the novel's character's mental state, which just makes him sound more alien (not baby-ish) than anything else.

 

I think there's been some miscommunication here. A few of your comments, which you may have meant as earnest questions, came off as insulting and trollish when you asked about Cole's mental state.  

 

If it's any consolation, my interpretation of Cole in the Book is more that his emotional maturity was more child-like than his mental capacity. He didn't know some things, but that comes natural to being in a completely foreign situation with no recollection of who or what he is. He's also pretty socially inept and doesn't quite understand other people or how to interact with them. And also, as a few other people have mentioned, Cole seems to have matured quite a bit emotionally since the book as he's gained some understanding of what he might be.

 

I personally want to #ridethebull, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a Cole romance if the writer decided to develop him in that direction :3

[leaguer of one]

Yeah I get that Sera is using it in a negative way, but I still don't think it's all that extreme. I mean he's (most likely) a demon for Pete's sake. People on Thedas are supposed to be terrified of them, and rightly so.

Extreme is based on intent. It's the difference from Mordin in ME2 calling Legion an It and Tali in ME2 calling Legion an it. One has the scientific curiosity and understanding to want to be technical, the other has a blind despise being a motivation. With Sear it's clearly the latter.

[KirstyLionheart]

Well you guys were acting superior and being judgmental, calling me a freaking pedophile because I was intrigued by the latest character reveal. And you do it to other people too. It's ok to romance aliens, Qunari, and half naked women like Isabela or Morrigan, but it's not ok to have the slightest interest in the latest character reveal of Cole??

So sorry that, based on THAT information, he seemed like a cool romance. I know he won't be an LI and I'm not making any demands. I was just stating my interests - I don't have any wild preconceived notions about "wittle baby" Cole. I'm not into *that* and it feels like this character reveal has set people up for condemnation - he looks like an adult male! And there was nothing in the Q&A stating that he was childlike - all that was ever said was Gaider's stance on the novel's character's mental state, which just makes him sound more alien (not baby-ish) than anything else.

 

Just take it on the chin and move on. Everyone perceived him differently. Some felt he was childlike. Some (including myself) didn't get that particular vibe.

The fact that Gaider himself commented on his childlike mentality pretty much confirms this, whether we perceived him that way or not. This doesn't mean he can't change, sure, but it's best to be prepared to get slated if you mention Cole and romance in the same sentence -- people will hold onto "childlike" until proven otherwise in-game.

Personally, if Cole romance was implemented, and the writer wanted to take him in that direction, assuming Cole somehow was prepared for such complex emotions that come with luurrve, then sure, lovely, I'd go for it. But until then, and until I see how Cole is in DAI, Cole romance isn't really a concern for me anymore. If his original writer insists he's a child, then so be it. I can headcanon all I want, and it doesn't change the fact that I didn't at all feel like he was childlike. But there it is.

 

Ugh Cole romance talk.. so exhausting.

[Faerah]

How can we report people? I'm enjoy the Cole's thread, and I don't want to see it get closed. 

Left side under their avatar picture.

[leaguer of one]

What's not to understand? There are adults IRL with the mind of a child. It isn't something the writers made up to deny people wanting to romance him.

He does not understand the concept of sex. He does not even have the same instinctual drives as us. If he sees a naked man or woman he sees it no differently from a person looking at a naked random animal.

 

Can we let this go now?

[twincast]

What's not to understand? There are adults IRL with the mind of a child. It isn't something the writers made up to deny people wanting to romance him.

 

Well, to be fair, I've met my share of a variety of such cases and not one of them seemed capable of looking after themself remotely as much as Cole does (fairly little as that may be), but I'm not particularly well read on that subject, so I suppose everything is possible.

[SnakeCode]

He does not understand the concept of sex. He does not even have the same instinctual drives as us. If he sees a naked man or woman he sees it no differently from a person looking at a naked random animal.

 

Can we let this go now?

I know that. I was asking why Cat Blade doesn't get how someone can physically be an adult but not mentally.

 

Yes, I agree we should steer the conversation in another direction.

[Vaseldwa]

So what about coles hat? Do you think he can glide with it? or is it to keep the sun off his head? (will all rogues get those kinds of hats?) Oh and to me coles hair looks like sand, which is interesting! 

[Hellion Rex]

Reported.

Now.. Cole.. what a lovely hat you have (:

Yeah, what's with the hat? It's so weird. It's far different than any other helmet we have seen so far.

[Grieving Natashina]

Man, I really want to get to know Cole better once the game hits, but as someone said in another thread, I tend to play rogues and four rogues (Varric, Sera, Cole and myself) would probably lead to a lot of humorous deaths.  I still might try it in a future playthrough, but for now I'm rather torn between Sera making into my party (my "little sister") or Cole (my "little brother.")

[AresKeith]

Yeah, what's with the hat? It's so weird. It's far different than any other helmet we have seen so far.

 

He had to get noticed somehow lol