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[Grieving Natashina]

I personally doubt I'd use the same party in two consecutive quests.

I'm really bad about that sometimes, I'll admit.  In Origins, it was almost always Alistair/Wynne/Leliana, unless I had to take Oghren (The Deep Roads questline) or just felt like mixing it up by bringing Morrigan instead of Leliana.  I found myself doing that in ME as well; my party was almost always Garrus/Tali.

 

This time, I'm going to try to vary it from quest to quest.  Part of the reason why I get stagnant sometimes is because I tend to find a balanced party for my style and stick with it.  I do know that Cole is going to have a rotating spot in my party for sure.  Not just because of the character himself, but also because a dual wield character can be very handy in some situations.

 

 

I'm very fair skinned. I don't wear a huge hat. 

You should though.  

 

For all we know, that was a gift from Rhys or from Eva.  He probably doesn't care how beat up it is if that's his only link currently to his two dearest friends.

[cogsandcurls]

Vivienne's intention of banishing him might be more mature, I guess, but I don't think it's better then Sera's. At least the former (other then, again, not knowing the details of her opinions) is set in Ignoring him mostly.

 

I don't know, I think Vivienne's reaction is perfectly reasonable when you consider her background. She's a (former) circle mage, she's been taught her whole life that demons are not to be messed with and she in particular is part of a group of people particularly vulnerable to their influence. When every previous potential encounter with a demon has carried the threat of your death or the loss of your emotions, when even a decently plausible rumour about her consorting with demons could have easily robbed her of any freedom or political power she's grasped over the years in Orlais...yeah, I think Vivienne isn't overreacting.

 

I am suprised at Sera though, although on reflection I'm not sure why. Guess I got too attached to the idea of the two youngest party members not being totally at odds with each other.

[DragonRacer]

Yeah, what's with the hat? It's so weird. It's far different than any other helmet we have seen so far.

 

Sun shade is my thought. Cole already suffered through the sweltering sun of the desert surrounding Adamant Fortress during Asunder, and considering he's been hidden away in a tower basically all of his "life" prior, he's probably extra sensitive to sunlight.

 

 

As for Sera's reaction, I understand where it comes from, but I think it's inherently harmful. When your first reaction is, "THIS IS A THING I'M NOT USED TO GET IT AWAY STAB IT DON'T TALK TO IT", you forego ever learning anything. Cole is a unique chance for a learning experience. Progress is always risky, but it's often worth it. That isn't to say some caution isn't warranted, but Sera seems to be dealing with the situation the least maturely of the group. Which, I guess, is not surprising for someone that was described as "bratty" in official materials.       

 

Perhaps that may end up being part of her character growth? She could ultimately end up changing her mind about Cole as they go through the storyline together, much like how Tali progressed from despising Legion and calling him "it" to recognizing him as a positive team member.

[Gwydden]

You should though.  

 

For all we know, that was a gift from Rhys or from Eva.  He probably doesn't care how beat up it is if that's his only link currently to his two dearest friends.

It looks like a farmer's hat to me. Cole was a farmer, right?

[KirstyLionheart]

*Push Kirsty out into the sun.

 

You need to learn to endure the heat.

 

But.. but..

[Grieving Natashina]

If you haven't seen the Dawn of the Seekers yet, you should. I was on the fence about Cassandra before the movie, but then I saw her go all out badass and I couldn't help but like her xD

I've heard a lot of mixed reviews and I also know that Cassandra was a young lady (18-20ish) at the time.  I'm more interested the woman she is now.  I see the potential in the character, but I'd still have to meet her before I could decide on her one way or the other.

 

Back on topic: I could see Varric becoming protective of Cole, especially given the way he's going to be treated by some of the other party members.

 

 

It looks like a farmer's hat to me. Cole was a farmer, right?

I think so.

[KirstyLionheart]

So am I, I don't, but...if I was in the sun a lot...which he will be right?  I would!  Heatstroke is nasty!  He could even fit a couple of other people under there with him...he's like the party sun shade..

 

I think Cole's a tough cookie. He managed to follow Rhys for days enduring all weathers and conditions, and he didn't complain once

[Zellya]

I don't know, I think Vivienne's reaction is perfectly reasonable when you consider her background. She's a (former) circle mage, she's been taught her whole life that demons are not to be messed with and she in particular is part of a group of people particularly vulnerable to their influence. When every previous potential encounter with a demon has carried the threat of your death or the loss of your emotions, when even a decently plausible rumour about her consorting with demons could have easily robbed her of any freedom or political power she's grasped over the years in Orlais...yeah, I think Vivienne isn't overreacting.

 

I am suprised at Sera though, although on reflection I'm not sure why. Guess I got too attached to the idea of the two youngest party members not being totally at odds with each other.

 

Yeah, good point. We should also remember the Vivienne is a Pro-Circle mage. Even if her motivations are primarily political and social, she's still likely to be more inclined to err on the safe side when dealing with magic.

[Ajna]

I think Cole's a tough cookie. He managed to follow Rhys for days enduring all weathers and conditions, and he didn't complain once

 

But he might not have known the joys of a giant hat then

[The Elder King]

I'm really bad about that sometimes, I'll admit.  In Origins, it was almost always Alistair/Wynne/Leliana, unless I had to take Oghren (The Deep Roads questline) or just felt like mixing it up by bringing Morrigan instead of Leliana.  I found myself doing that in ME as well; my party was almost always Garrus/Tali.
 
This time, I'm going to try to vary it from quest to quest.  Part of the reason why I get stagnant sometimes is because I tend to find a balanced party for my style and stick with it.  I do know that Cole is going to have a rotating spot in my party for sure.  Not just because of the character himself, but also because a dual wield character can be very handy in some situations.

 Oh, I have a canon party sometimes as well (though even then I switch). It's just that this time I think I'll have trouble in forming one.

I don't know, I think Vivienne's reaction is perfectly reasonable when you consider her background. She's a (former) circle mage, she's been taught her whole life that demons are not to be messed with and she in particular is part of a group of people particularly vulnerable to their influence. When every previous potential encounter with a demon has carried the threat of your death or the loss of your emotions, when even a decently plausible rumour about her consorting with demons could have easily robbed her of any freedom or political power she's grasped over the years in Orlais...yeah, I think Vivienne isn't overreacting.
 
I am suprised at Sera though, although on reflection I'm not sure why. Guess I got too attached to the idea of the two youngest party members not being totally at odds with each other.

I didn't meant that Vivienne's reaction is overreacting. I expected her to act like this. I meant that I don't find her reaction better (depending on the point of view) the Sera's.

[leaguer of one]

But.. but..

It helps you gain buffs ageist sun damage.

 

Of course the one talking was born with these buffs away.

 

Just don't get too red...K.

[jlb524]

Yeah, good point. We should also remember the Vivienne is a Pro-Circle mage. Even if her motivations are primarily political and social, she's still likely to be more inclined to err on the safe side when dealing with magic.

 

I don't think you have to even be Pro-Circle to desire a safe way to banish a demon back to the Fade.

[leaguer of one]

But he might not have known the joys of a giant hat then

In the book he did not like the sun. He thought it was way too bright.

[Grieving Natashina]

But he might not have known the joys of a giant hat then

I have the headcanon that Eva gave it to Cole to keep his head out of the sun before they went their separate ways.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Not everyone is of the scholarly mind; Cole represents an opportunity to learn, but he also poses a clear and present danger. Learning from him is also inherently tricky as he possesses the power to manipulate memories. We don't know if that's limited to making people forget him entirely; he may very well be capable of making people forget specific instances of interaction with him that would taint the "learning process". 

 

Even if he isn't capable of that, it's not unreasonable for characters in universe to believe he is and decide it's not worth the risk.

Well, I don't really dispute what you're saying. It makes sense that some characters in Thedas would react this way. I don't agree with their side of the argument, so of course I'm going to act in opposition to them. I'm not saying my view is infallible. I understand where Sera's fears come from, but they are in opposition to my goals, so we're going to have a problem until/unless they change. I doubt she'll be the only case of this. I can't imagine everyone doesn't clash in views/goals with some characters. Most issues in Thedas are some sort of grey area. Every character is on the right side of the issue to someone. Sera isn't for me. 

[leaguer of one]

I don't think you have to even be Pro-Circle to desire a safe way to banish a demon back to the Fade.

*Looks at all sealed reverents in DAO.

 

Point taken.

[Zellya]

I don't think you have to even be Pro-Circle to desire a safe way to banish a demon back to the Fade.

 

That wasn't really my point, I was just stating a reason why Vivienne's mentioned reaction to Cole is expected.

[fighterchick]

Awwww, I just read his character profile and the little interview on him.  I was thinking about just sacrificing him early on because I wasn't a huge fan of his in Asunder.  I like where his character seems to be going there!  

[KirstyLionheart]

It help you game buffs ageist sun damage.

 

Of course the one talking was born with these buffs away.

 

Just don't get too red...K.

 

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh look, it's me if I go to the lake without sunblock.  

[Former_Fiend]

Well, I don't really dispute what you're saying. It makes sense that some characters in Thedas would react this way. I don't agree with their side of the argument, so of course I'm going to act in opposition to them. I'm not saying my view is infallible. I understand where Sera's fears come from, but they are in opposition to my goals, so we're going to have a problem until/unless they change. I doubt she'll be the only case of this. I can't imagine everyone doesn't clash in views/goals with some characters. Most issues in Thedas are some sort of grey area. Every character is on the right side of the issue to someone. Sera isn't for me. 

 

Fair enough. 

 

Cole, to me, represents too much of an unknown to be comfortable fielding him in combat situations. I don't know that he knows what his motivations are.

[Fialka]

I don't think Sera's reaction to Cole is strange at all.  Hell, just look at some of the people on this forum.  I thought Justice in Awakenings was really fascinating, and would have loved to be able to speak with him more - but a lot of players thought he was creepy and dangerous and had no interest in even recruiting him.  They pretty much wrote off Anders as an abomination from the moment they met him and would have preferred to have nothing to do with him.  They don't even consider letting the Architect or Avernus live.  I think these attitudes are pretty in keeping with the way most of Thedas (with Big Scary Tevinter being the notable exception) thinks.  Most of Thedas even think mages themselves are scary - a demon or spirit?  Even worse.

 

I understand it's disappointing when a character you think you'll love has such a 'common' view, but it is common.  And the game devs have made several mentions of the relationships between characters seeing their own development, which to me hints that Sera could eventually come around (much like the Tali/Legion situation).

[leaguer of one]

*Slaps back.

[leaguer of one]

Fair enough. 

 

Cole, to me, represents too much of an unknown to be comfortable fielding him in combat situations. I don't know that he knows what his motivations are.

He know what his motivations are. The issue is that he does not know to fulfill them.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Fair enough. 

 

Cole, to me, represents too much of an unknown to be comfortable fielding him in combat situations. I don't know that he knows what his motivations are.

I can understand that view. I take a more chaotic approach to things than a lot of people are comfortable with. My view of the veil tears, for example, is more 'I wonder why this is happening and what the implications are' than an automatic 'we have to stop this as soon as possible'. I'm always willing to take the 'poke it with a stick and see what happens.. FOR SCIENCE' approach. I can understand the obvious pros for taking the safer approach. I don't really like dealing in objectivity. I don't believe in a "right" approach to most situations. I can respect taking the safer approach, but I'm going to often act against it when the ball is in my court, so to say, just on issues of personal preference.