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[Mes]

However, sexuality in the Dragon Age has been portrayed in a very normal way. Women and men procreate, sexuality exists and gender expectations exist. To believe that everyone the player encounters has flexible sexuality which bends in the direction which the player fits destroys said world, the fact remains that some Thedosian people--just like real life--are gay, straight and bisexual.

 

 

Yeah but here I feel you are comparing sexualities to our world, not the DA world. We have never had any characters call themselves gay, straight, bi, or any of the other labels. Just because we've seen a few examples of husbands with their wives doesn't mean the Thedosian people are suddenly just like us. The fact that you can be gay in DA and no one will bat an eyelid accentuates this point. Plus we're not talking about "everyone the player encounters," we're talking about slightly more than a handful of companions.

 

Where do you draw the line of which aspects need to be "realistic" and which don't? Do we need our characters to take toilet breaks? Is that TOO realistic? If so, why?

[brightblueink]

But no-one wants Dorion...

Speak for yourself, I'm playing a qunari mage that's sort of serious and I love characters with juuuust enough differences to clash sometimes so I'm really digging him as a LI option if he's into women.

 

...That and I just like guys that put effort into their appearance. (Dat 'stache...)

[Shadow Fox]

Isabela was bi.

That she was so Cass might be too.

[Crunchycarp]

Interesting. I'd figured Cullen was straight.. He seemed to only have straight options in DAO.
 
DHMG resembles Freddie Mercury, so it's fitting

It's been about ten years since the events DA:O, Cullen can change in that amount of time

[Mr.House]

There seems to be a misunderstanding that a lot of people have. "Realism" has nothing to do with magic, it has everything to do with the role the world portrays. When you've got a magical universe which pixies can turn people into unicorns, you've got to accept this universe because it exists and the world explains to us that it exists. A dragon's existence in the world of Thedas is realistic in the context of the universe, as does the use of magic and the Darkspawn and what say you.

 

However, sexuality in the Dragon Age has been portrayed in a very normal way. Women and men procreate, sexuality exists and gender expectations exist. To believe that everyone the player encounters has flexible sexuality which bends in the direction which the player fits destroys said world, the fact remains that some Thedosian people--just like real life--are gay, straight and bisexual.

 

To mock the "realism" shows ignorance of what someone means when talking about realism and serves little purpose.

Yet no Lis care about your race. You want realism, go the full way.

[Jynxed_]

How dare you.

 

*nick cage solas snip*

Cannot unsee

[AresKeith]

Yet no Lis care about your race. You want realism, go the full way.

 

I would so enjoy if they went the full way

[Divine Justinia V]

Worst news besides no City Elves

[Darth Krytie]

When I compare the lists of "female protagonist games" and "male protagonist games" on Giant Bomb, they both have twenty-eight pages (and they go back to the eighties, too). So, games that allow you to play a female protagonist are not as few as Anita Sarkeesian would have you believe.

As for not all love interests being playersexual, I'm not a fan. Afterall, a game is made for the player and limiting his or her options seems counter-intuitive. It's not really important though. Morrigan was male only and for good reason, so it's hard to be upset at the decision.

PS GiantBomb links:
Female Protagonist Games

Male Protagonist Games

 

Oh, yes. And it has such gems as Barbie Dream House, Winx the Fairy (multiple titles), Nancy the Happy ******, Barbie and the Three Musketeers, and Cooking Mama. That's not even taking to account stuff like Ms Splosion and Ms Pac Man or the ones where the breasts were bigger than the title. So, it's a bit disingenuous to claim that it's even close to an even divide. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Worst news besides no City Elves

Indeed. This is a close second to that news. 

[Former_Fiend]

For me it's never been about realism, nor has it been about equal representation. For me it's always been about maximizing player's options. And that's ultimately what all of it is; an option. Taking player options away is never a good idea.

[Allan Schumacher]

It's called a roleplaying game for a reason.

 

Definitions of what is a roleplaying game, and what constitutes appropriate roleplaying, are not going to be productive.  I am not going to be keen on people telling other people how they should or should not behave in a roleplaying game.

[Battlebloodmage]

Cass and Cullen were the first announced LIs.

 

Cullen*thus far* has only been portrayed as straight and Cass seems to be the poster girl of Inquisition like Morrigan and Isabella so I'm assuming she'll be romancable by males like those before her.

I'm arguing that with one being a companion and one being an NPC, it's likely that they wouldn't have the same orientation. Mr. Gaider stated that he doesn't like NPC romance due to them not being as good as companion. If so, then if one NPC is straight then the other NPC would be straight as well. We know that if Cullen is straight, then the other female NPC would be straight, it wouldn't be Cassandra. Her male counterpart in term of sexual orientation would be among the companions.

[Iakus]

Yet no Lis care about your race. You want realism, go the full way.

They haven't done that since BG2

[Moirin]

I would so enjoy if they went the full way

 

 

I would so enjoy if they went the full way

 

So would I. It would add a lot more depth imo. I doubt it'll happen this game though.

[ahellbornlady]

Just like misogyny doesn't exist, right? I can't believe someone would say this and not be trolling.

 

 

 

I agree.

 

No. No, and no.  There is no such thing as reverse sexism.  First of all, let’s establish a working definition of sexism: Just like how racism = power + prejudice based on skin color, sexism = power + prejudice based on gender. Therefore, a person who does not exist with the necessary institutionalized power and privilege of belonging to a dominant in-group, cannot be racist, sexist, ableist, etc.  Women can certainly be prejudiced or discriminatory against men (which is not acceptable either) but they cannot be sexist or “reverse sexist” simply because they lack the institutional power to systematize their prejudice against men. Women have been and still are a disenfranchised group in society.  Like other marginalized groups (people of color, the queer community, differently-abled people, etc.) we’ve had to fight for inclusion within society’s heterosexual, white, upper class, male-centric, oppressive institutions.  And in fighting for inclusion we are vilified as troublemakers and rabble-rousers.  How dare we try to subvert the norm, right?

[Vandicus]

Yet no Lis care about your race. You want realism, go the full way.

Again that'd be really cool. But you can have one without the other. Having both simultaneously probably would require a higher number of companions to meet Bioware's standards of sufficiently available romances. Random NPCs along the road might be a potential way to deal with it though.

[Mr.House]

They haven't done that since BG2

And it should return if they really want to go the full "realistic" route.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Speak for yourself, I'm playing a qunari mage that's sort of serious and I love characters with juuuust enough differences to clash sometimes so I'm really digging him as a LI option if he's into women.

 

...That and I just like guys that put effort into their appearance. (Dat 'stache...)

Ok  no one of consequence wants Dorion..

[Thibax]

Beard Warden for males and Sera for females.

[Wothen]

So would I. It would add a lot more depth imo. I doubt it'll happen this game though.

 

Imagine the outrage

"Oh my I can't romance that dwarf because he got different tastes, unnacceptable, everyone gotta have the same tastes I do!"

[Zyree]

Honestly I was kind of hoping for 2/2/2 but some of the responses and people in this thread are really making me regret that stance as the last thing I want is to have something in common with the people in this thread cheering that their precious "realism" is included in this game. If they're doing realism they should be going all the way. I wanted the 2/2/2 split for representation but that doesn't seem a concern for most people rejoicing in this thread...

 

If it's not 2/2/2 or 2/2/1 and is instead 2/2 for straight and bi then I will be pretty judgmental about this whole business. If the NPC romances are the gay/bi ones, I will probably give up on finding equality in romances in BW games, especially after ME3. Playersexualitiy was not equality and was certainly problematic, but at least it gave people a choice.

 

I play videogames to escape reality, I don't particularly want to face the same straight dominated world that I do in everyday life in something I do for fun. Though I guess I should avoid threads like these then...

[Shadow Fox]

I'm arguing that with one being a companion and one being an NPC, it's likely that they wouldn't have the same orientation. Mr. Gaider stated that he doesn't like NPC romance due to them not being as good as companion. If so, then if one NPC is straight then the other NPC would be straight as well. We know that if Cullen is straight, then the other female NPC would be straight, it wouldn't be Cassandra. Her male counterpart in term of sexual orientation would be among the companions.

So Cullen straight, Cass bi then?