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[TheJediSaint]

I don't really consider sexuality to be the most important part of a character, so I was never bothered by player oriented sexuality.  However, the fact that sexuality will be predefined isn't going to affect weather or not I buy DAI in any way.   So, yeah, not the biggest issue for me.

[Allan Schumacher]

Look, while I know that some folks are thrilled about the set sexualities, there is no need to be childish jackasses about the matter.

 

Quoting for effect.

 

I'm slowly catching up to the end of the thread so if you've posted stuff that could make me angry, consider this your Early Warning Radar....

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see romances being the thing that increases replayability. I see the major story decisions as the thing that is going to motivate someone to go through the whole game and try out something different.

It's a bit of both. I've replayed DA:O countless times and I've done each romance at least once, I didn't feel too motivated to do the same in DA2 due to the fact that the romance basically boiled down to having the same dialogue but replacing "he" with "she" where it applied. It's why I've always advocated for a return of the DA:O system or the DA2 system but with divergent paths based off sexuality (which would consume a lot of resources).

[Zu Long]

IMO I'd even hope that the gay romances aren't NPCs this time. I don't think Steve or Samantha are as fleshed out as they could've been if they'd been party members...

 

Well, it's nearly certain that Cullen is a female love interest, we just don't know if he's also open to men. So it's safe to say gay male option is a party member.

 

Edit: Red Ninja'd me.

[Enigmatick]

No, you could romance everyone either way. No one bite the bullet. ME was full of bite to non-straight romances, so was DA:O.

It's not really much of a bite if that ip never promises equality in that aspect anyways, it'd be like complaining that Jade Empire was a bite.

[PinkDiamondstl]

It's a video game. Where we use magic. Fight demons. Kill dragons. Etc etc etc.

 

But who we bang has to be "realistic".

 

Wut.

In nother world real or fantasy is everyone bi. 

[Leo]

I didn't mind the romance options being playersexual in Dragon Age 2, so this news is Disappointing.

 

Luckily for me i usually play through as both genders.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I just want a good story behind each romance.

 

I played Amalur recently, as a female toon. The DLC had me join a female ships captain to a pirate island.  Most of the interaction I had with her was quest related, no chatting, certainly no romance. Imagine my surprise when, at the end of the quest line, she announces we are now dating. Huh? When? How.. Huh?

 

Back to the DA world, each companion, while romancable, in DA2, was a cardboard cutout to me. very shallow storyline. Compare to DAO where we learn each LI's past history and love life, to some extent at least. (the obvious counterpoint being Isabela. We heard all about her past, it was all she would talk about, nothing else)

 

So yeah, realistic choices or not, gimme a good story for each one. Give me a REASON to want to romance them.

[mordy_was_here]

In nother world real or fantasy is everyone bi. 

 

I can't even understand what you're saying. 

[JoltDealer]

I don't consider this a valid complaint within the context of Dragon Age.  There were people that were not attracted to you in DA2 and turn you down (Varric and Aveline), yet most who support something like what Cameron suggests point to DA2 as being "the problem."

 

I notice Cameron's quote stutters when he says "realistic."  I have a feeling that it may not have been the word he was necessarily looking for, but while talking with someone may not have the easiest time determining the correct word (part of the reason why you likely won't see me doing in person interviews )

 

The reality is that romance in our games is inherently "unrealistic" because you're confined to what "Word of Writer" allows you to romance.  Really like that other person?  Tough, not an option.  That single person that is homosexual strike your fancy?  Well you better hope that the writers wrote romance content for them.

 

That was indeed an oversight that I made note of in my later posts.  Maybe realism wasn't the right word, but  I prefer to think that he was more of meant "immersive" because calling something "realistic" seems to imply things about our reality.  And when it comes to things like sexual orientation and all-inclusive player choice, people can be a tad sensitive.

 

I stand by my statement all the same.  Although the "Word of the Writer" ultimately makes something unrealistic, you still start with something that is at least somewhat based on our reality, whether it be the language characters speak, the laws of physics they adhere to, or the architecture that the buildings are based on.  As I've said in later posts, the content creators decide where the line between reality and fantasy lies, but the seamless blending of the two is essential nonetheless.

[pallascedar]

It's a video game. Where we use magic. Fight demons. Kill dragons. Etc etc etc.

 

But who we bang has to be "realistic".

 

Wut.

 

I pretty much think that realism is a stupid argument, but that doesn't mean that no good argument exists.

 

I personally think that characters are more interesting when they have a defined sexuality; I don't have a problem with bisexuality, but I find the idea of "playersexual" to be less interesting than defined sexuality. In order to create a larger and more interesting variety of romance-able characters you have to (I think) define their sexualities.

 

I'd personally prefer that everyone be [clearly defined as] bi, but I also totally understand why Bioware didn't go this route.

[Mihura]

It's not really much of a bite if that ip never promises equality in that aspect anyways, it'd be like complaining that Jade Empire was a bite.

 

When did they promise anything in any game? lol things like less female companions should be a tell that they do not promise things. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

As others have said, it's a case of believability. Yes, yes this is a world with dragons and flaming swords and yadda yadda, but the sexuality of the people of Thedas has never been explicitely said to be much different from the people of our world. As in, a majority of folks have a set sexuality and won't suddendly bend it because a player character shows up in their life. I much prefer having set sexualities, it makes companions feel more like people rather than puppets dancing to the PC's fantasies. I loved when Aveline rejected my Hawke, it showed the world doesn't revolve around the PC.

 

And from a gameplay standpoint, I prefer it too. It encourages replayability far more. But it seems to me people who actually like having content locked by your choices are a minority on this site. I happen to think that is what makes a good role-playing game. If it limits options, bummer, but I'm pretty sure Bioware wouldn't do that unless they were comfortable with it.

 

That being said, I definitely think an even 2/2/2 split would be preferable. Everyone needs options, that they do.

[Former_Fiend]

In nother world real or fantasy is everyone bi. 

 

No one is asking for everyone to be bisexual.

 

They're asking for 4-6 people out of twelve people out of however how many tens if not hundreds of millions of people make up Thedas to be bisexual.

[Vandicus]

In my own little fantasy world I can bang who I want. I'm equal opportunity that way.

Actually equal opportunity would be banging anyone who wants to bang you. 

[Battlebloodmage]

  no...no thank you...you can keep him....lol

I thought girls care more about personality than looks? Did teen movies lie to me? On a serious note though, I would take anyone over Solas as the gay LI among the companions. Yes, I'm shallow like that, just not a fan of his look.  

[The Qun & the Damned]

Dang, a shame too considering how freaking stunning everyone looks *sincere post*

[Hiemoth]

Actually by making content exclusive, Bioware is once again encouraging replayability. It only sucks for the OCD crowd who literally play the same game each time making the same choices in terms of story-choices, what class they pick and what gender they play as.

 

I will be honest, I have never understood this argument, not at all. So far every Bioware romance has been monogamous, so every romance requires a new game to be experienced in full. Thus the four romances in DA2 required four separate playthroughs, no matter what you chose. Also, I don't quite understand what the class has to do with anything, but whatever. Besides, where exactly does this idea come that player should be pushed to play different playthroughs with characters they don't necessarily enjoy in order to get a small piece of content they wish? Exactly how is that against replayabilty, as even in your example if the player plays the game through with the same kind of character several times, it assumed that something in that playthrough gave them so much enjoyment that they repeated it. And so the game had replayability.

 

As for the news in general, although it is in no way a deal breaker for me nor does it really affect my playing style much, I am really disappointed by the news. They most likely have their reasons for it and it is their game to make, but it does feel a more step back for me. I just hope that they manage to emulate Mass Effect more on who they set the gay and bi characters as, as even though I liked Zevran and Leliana much more than Alistair or Morrigan, it still felt really weird that the two rogues with questionable histories and non-requisite roles in the story were set as the bi options.

[Former_Fiend]

Didn't we already bite the bullet on DA:2?

 

How? We had three beautiful, bisexual women to mack on.

[Zu Long]

Dang, a shame too considering how freaking stunning everyone looks *sincere post*

I'm really looking forward to seeing this run on max settings. Frostbite 3 is truly an engine to be reckoned with.

[Jynxed_]

I thought girls care more about personality than looks? Did teen movies lie to me? On a serious note though, I would take anyone over Solas as the gay LI among the companions. Yes, I'm shallow like that, just not a fan of his look.

Teen movies...? OH! You mean Twilight?

Yeah no, appearance does matter But thanks for the offer, lol

[Zu Long]

How? We had three beautiful, bisexual women to mack on.

 

Hilariously, the only woman who shot us down was straight.