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Bioware has said they were returning back to their roots with DAI.
Returning to your roots is not always the best policy. Most countries used to own slaves, but don't anymore. Doesn't mean they should go back to doing so. I know that is a hyperbole, but it easily sends what I mean.
I hope they at least have one gay/bi guy in there that will hit on male inquisitor. Just to ****** certain people off.
Otherwise, as a straight woman who doesn't really play the homosexual options that much anyways, I'm very disappointed that Bioware is already showing limitations on choices in this game. I thought I'd at least not hear about it till the demo came out like with ME3.
If the bisexual options are unrealistic, the whole choice system is unrealistic. The real world does not run on the actions and choices of one special snow flake of a person. The ending of DA2 was more like the real world, a person having zero control over how things play out because other people are making their own choices. So many people hated that though.
Then flip a coin twelve times and see what happens. If there are only two outcomes with equal chances of happening, then chances are the result will be split evenly amongst the two. Then again, maybe the devs are just taking equal representation a tad too seriously.
Right now I can call up six bisexual people, six straight people, of various genders and races, and we would not be an accurate representation of the demographics of south texas; we'd just be thirteen people hanging out and having a good time.
Set sexuality has been Bioware's system in KOTOR, Mass Effect franchise, Dragon Age Origins, Jade Empire, and Balder's Gate franchise. DA2 was the only game where they did 'everyone is available to anyone' concept, and now they are going back to Origins. So it is a step back.
I didn't play Jade Empire, and KOTOR was long enough ago that my memory of it might be fuzzy, but wasn't Zev in DA:O one of the first gay romance options? I suppose the argument can be made that he was static in his sexuality as bi, making it true that Origins is more what they are doing with DAI. But IDK, I think Bioware is "d----- if they do, and d----- if they don't". Some people will like the openness of DA2's character sexuality, and some people will prefer characters with fixed sexuality. I guess it is a matter of perspective as to which is the actual step forward.
This is because, for people that liked it, they saw a positive out of it. Not many people would see a positive out of the reused cave.
I was about to joke that it made it easier to find your way around it, but then I remembered that I'm so bad at directions that I got lost in it several times anyway...
Set sexuality has been Bioware's system in KOTOR, Mass Effect franchise, Dragon Age Origins, Jade Empire, and Balder's Gate franchise. DA2 was the only game where they did 'everyone is available to anyone' concept, and now they are going back to Origins. So it is a step back.
It'd be a step forward if there was a few gay LIs that weren't NPCs, IMO. At least a step forward from Origins/ME.
Returning to your roots is not always the best policy. Most countries used to own slaves, but don't anymore. Doesn't mean they should go back to doing so. I know that is a hyperbole, but it easily sends what I mean.
In most cases there was also a point in time where those countries did not own slaves, prior to the introduction or invention of slavery. Doesn't mean they shouldn't go back to not using slaves does it?
However, sexuality in the Dragon Age has been portrayed in a very normal way. Women and men procreate, sexuality exists and gender expectations exist. To believe that everyone the player encounters has flexible sexuality which bends in the direction which the player fits destroys said world, the fact remains that some Thedosian people--just like real life--are gay, straight and bisexual.
To mock the "realism" shows ignorance of what someone means when talking about realism and serves little purpose.
Just as a note, I think that it is on the player if they find the game world is "destroyed" because the exceptionally small subset of characters that they happen to interact with in a romanceable way (which is already arbitrarily and artificially restricted) happen to be bisexual.
There are plenty of people, including myself, that do not find the game world destroyed by such a thing (though if you have seen my responses about this topic in the past, you'll know that initially I had reservations about it).
If it's a pure flukey foll of the dice that this happens and statistically unlikely, then so be it. But given we don't even have orientation demographics it's not really something that can be said with any sort of accuracy.
Because it isn't "everyone the player encounters." It's the exceptionally small subset of people that are even willing to have a romance with you. Which already bends the realm of any sort of believability if taken in a literal, world defining sort of way.
Did you guys not read the part that said "Some"?
Behavior (the part of personality we experience through interactions) can be strongly affected by the person's sexuality. As in, the same person can act differently towards different people, depending on whether they find the other person sexually attractive.I personally don't think sexuality has any impact on a person's personality.
Just as a note, I think that it is on the player if they find the game world is "destroyed" because the exceptionally small subset of characters that they happen to interact with in a romanceable way (which is already arbitrarily and artificially restricted) happen to be bisexual.
There are plenty of people, including myself, that do not find the game world destroyed by such a thing (though if you have seen my responses about this topic in the past, you'll know that initially I had reservations about it).
If it's a pure flukey foll of the dice that this happens and statistically unlikely, then so be it. But given we don't even have orientation demographics it's not really something that can be said with any sort of accuracy.
Because it isn't "everyone the player encounters." It's the exceptionally small subset of people that are even willing to have a romance with you. Which already bends the realm of any sort of believability if taken in a literal, world defining sort of way.
Okay, I seriously need more likes. Thank you. 
I was about to joke that it made it easier to find your way around it, but then I remembered that I'm so bad at directions that I got lost in it several times anyway...
I'm glad I'm not the only one. >_>;
I hope they at least have one gay/bi guy in there that will hit on male inquisitor. Just to ****** certain people off.
Otherwise, as a straight woman who doesn't really play the homosexual options that much anyways, I'm very disappointed that Bioware is already showing limitations on choices in this game. I thought I'd at least not hear about it till the demo came out like with ME3.
If the bisexual options are unrealistic, the whole choice system is unrealistic. The real world does not run on the actions and choices of one special snow flake of a person. The ending of DA2 was more like the real world, a person having zero control over how things play out because other people are making their own choices. So many people hated that though.
He never said bisexual options are unrealistic
Everyone being playersexual is
And besides, it was probably only a figurative word as already discussed in here
Just as a note, I think that it is on the player if they find the game world is "destroyed" because the exceptionally small subset of characters that they happen to interact with in a romanceable way (which is already arbitrarily and artificially restricted) happen to be bisexual.
There are plenty of people, including myself, that do not find the game world destroyed by such a thing (though if you have seen my responses about this topic in the past, you'll know that initially I had reservations about it).
If it's a pure flukey foll of the dice that this happens and statistically unlikely, then so be it. But given we don't even have orientation demographics it's not really something that can be said with any sort of accuracy.
Because it isn't "everyone the player encounters." It's the exceptionally small subset of people that are even willing to have a romance with you. Which already bends the realm of any sort of believability if taken in a literal, world defining sort of way.
This. This. So much of this. All of this.
In most cases there was also a point in time where those countries did not own slaves, prior to the introduction or invention of slavery. Doesn't mean they shouldn't go back to not using slaves does it?
Actually, yes. If they have slavery, they should go back to not using it. Robbing people of things is never positive.
I didn't play Jade Empire, and KOTOR was long enough ago that my memory of it might be fuzzy, but wasn't Zev in DA:O one of the first gay romance options? I suppose the argument can be made that he was static in his sexuality as bi, making it true that Origins is more what they are doing with DAI. But IDK, I think Bioware is "d----- if they do, and d----- if they don't". Some people will like the openness of DA2's character sexuality, and some people will prefer character with fixed sexuality. I guess it is a matter of perspective as to which is the actual step forward.
Sky and Silk Fox from Jade Empire were both bi
Actually, yes. If they have slavery, they should go back to not using it. Robbing people of things is never positive.
You follow my point then that the positive or negative aspects of a society are independent of whether they constitute a new change or a return to an older way of doing things, yes?
Disregarding all the complaints and schadenfreude, this is how I think the romances will be set up (at least for the males):
Straight Male: Cullen
Bi Male: Solas
Gay Male: DHMG
Reason being that Cullen was heavily shown to be straight in DA:O and the majority of his fans are female, so he's probably going to cater to them. Solas is bi because he's the only elf companion and I doubt they're going to leave females out of romancing other races. Finally, DHMG is gay because he is around Cullen's level of attractiveness, so both straight girls and gay guys get an attractive companion, with a fairly "unattractive" guy for both to romance.
I'm surprise people want the straight option to be an NPC with less content and can't be taken on quests. If Cullen is an NPC then likely the straight female LI would be an NPC, but no way in Hell it would happen as straight male gamers are the biggest consumers. The number of fans Cullen have is actually not significant. he's barely known outside of the internet.
You follow my point then that the positive or negative aspects of a society are independent of whether they constitute a new change or a return to an older way of doing things, yes?
I do. However, since this 'step back' is robbing people of LI options, it is bad.
I do. However, since this 'step back' is robbing people of LI options, it is bad.
Is it? Or did that extra year and more resources allow for an expansion of LIs that made playersexuality unneeded this time?
You keep avoiding the issue. He had a crush on a girl, so does many bi guys out there. He doesn't interested in one particular guy, so does many bi guys out there. Yeah, keep provoking people then run away.
Not provoking or running away.Just don't wanna argue with you about this .You're a Cullen fan and I'm a Cullen fan .Leave it at that.
But I will continue to enjoy hearing about this good news !
I do. However, since this 'step back' is robbing people of LI options, it is bad.
Its a positive change for me personally. I don't know how greatly it affects their consumer base as a whole, positively or negatively. I can certainly appreciate and understand why it'd be a negative change for others though.
I'm guessing on Solas and Sera as bisexuals, they are the only elves after all, leaving them open to any of all sexualities that fancy those.
Just as a note, I think that it is on the player if they find the game world is "destroyed" because the exceptionally small subset of characters that they happen to interact with in a romanceable way (which is already arbitrarily and artificially restricted) happen to be bisexual.
There are plenty of people, including myself, that do not find the game world destroyed by such a thing (though if you have seen my responses about this topic in the past, you'll know that initially I had reservations about it).
If it's a pure flukey foll of the dice that this happens and statistically unlikely, then so be it. But given we don't even have orientation demographics it's not really something that can be said with any sort of accuracy.
Because it isn't "everyone the player encounters." It's the exceptionally small subset of people that are even willing to have a romance with you. Which already bends the realm of any sort of believability if taken in a literal, world defining sort of way.
I'd find it destroyed if no-one interacts with the fact that my character is doing something which would be questionable for their position. I've argued this for countless times but I've always wanted the playersexual option to exist with the fact that the world reacts to your choices--although not financially feasible due to the fact that you'd need to develop twice the content.
If my Hawke is a lord / lady and they're expected to have children for the sake of them carrying the name, I'd expect the world reacts when they bring home someone of the same-sex as their lover. Perhaps Merrill has to deal with the Dalish hating on the fact that she's in a relationship with a m!Hawke due to the fear that she'd bear human offspring and be "tainted" or what say you.
I feel the DA2 implementation of it shattered any context of... well, anything. Anders admits that he loved Carl or he doesn't based off your gender, no-one questions your romantic partner and all dialogue is simply reverse pronouns. The DA2 romance options felt like some weird oddity trapped in a bubble where nothing mattered.
Leliana and Zevran had this problem as well but not as much as DA2, they had some gender-exclusive conversations (rather than the occasional line) but they felt hollow in comparison to Alistair and Morrigan which their character had the expectations of the gender built upon, you've got things like Morrigan getting pregnant and discovering "love" with the main character.
I am more than fine with this. If Bioware does something silly to appeal to the CoD crowd people jump all over them for it, but when they do it for someone else it's fine?
Character and story should come first, then worry about marketing interests and appeasing fans.
I'm guessing on Solas and Sera as bisexuals, they are the only elves after all, leaving them open to any of all sexualities that fancy those.
Blah, elves. My sympathies to people who wanted bi companions if that's the case.
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