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[Mes]

Sigh.

 

I was looking forward to playing as a female PC and romancing Cass, then playing as a male PC and romancing Cullen.

 

Taking options away from people seriously can't be a good thing. If someone wanted to play their game and pretend that everyone was a set sexuality, they could do that even if the characters were bi or playersexual. With the exception of Anders, it's not like any of the characters automatically want to get in your pants.

 

I can see the arguments people are having for the idea of set sexualities. But jebus you can still have that in your own playthroughs with all bi characters.

[JoltDealer]

Hmm, been a while since I've done anything related to statistics, but being exactly divided evenly doesn't have all that high a probability either.

 

I accounted for that in an earlier post.  Feel free to check.  The odds of an exact split are astronomical, which is why you variables into account.

 

Right now I can call up six bisexual people, six straight people, of various genders and races, and we would not be an accurate representation of the demographics of south texas; we'd just be thirteen people hanging out and having a good time.

 

No, of course not.  There is still plenty of cultural bias affecting that, with so many still afraid to come out of the closet.  This is a factor that I also pointed out in a previous post.  Ignoring the statistical point of view, there is still the game design point of view.  You want to include all preferences, so make one character per preference.  What if that particular player doesn't like their only choice?  Well then give each preference two choices so they can pick the one that better meets their individual preference.  If the matter of all romance option not being bisexual has to do with realism or immersion, then an even split is more of making sure that each preference is equally met.

[brightblueink]

I personally don't think sexuality has any impact on a person's personality. The love interests would be just as defined as characters in there personalities regardless of what sexualities they had, even if they're all bisexual.

 

If we're going to start imposing limits to help define the characters, gender isn't the place to start. Values and ideals are the place to start. Cassandra and Cullen shouldn't romance a blood mage, Solas and Sera shouldn't romance people who are bigoted against elves, Iron Bull shouldn't romance someone who's bigoted against qunari, Vivienne, Dorian, and Solas shouldn't romance someone who's bigoted against mages.

 

Those are the distinctions that matter in regards to the integrity of their characters, in my opinion.

Eh, I think sexuality can impact your personality to some degree, just because  the things you experience impact your personality. Being bisexual has definitely had at least some of an impact on my personality, since I grew up in a community where bisexual people weren't even acknowledged and gay people were only stereotypes on pride parades. (Even now, my parents--who do love me very much--believe that my same sex attraction is a symptom of a disease and calling myself a bisexual is somehow making that my ENTIRE identity.) I'd like to think that my experiences with struggling with my sexuality has made me at least a little bit more empathetic to people who've felt displaced in their communities--and it's CERTAINLY impacted how I feel about my faith, both in a positive way (since, without getting too preachy, a big part of my faith is believing in a God who loves me for who I am and doesn't see me as "less than" straight people, which has helped a lot in accepting myself--not just as a bisexual person but also as someone that's maybe not "exactly who I'd like to be") and in a negative way (in the sense that I'm very distrustful of the dominant, conservative Christian culture in the USA).

 

Of course, that's the world we live in. In a more ideal world where sexuality isn't as much of an issue--which Thedas seems to be (well, not ideal, but not involved in a "culture war" surrounding sexuality)--it probably wouldn't have that huge of an impact.

 

Also I'd love the idea of, say, not being able to romance a character if you had opinions that were a deal breaker to them. (Although I also kinda liked the rivalry/friendship system in 2 where part of the romance was sometimes the character struggling with the idea that they loved you DESPITE having such a huge difference of opinion on a subject that was important to them.)

[lady_v23]

No offense, but could you please stop double quoting people you agree with?  Bolding their post works just as well and takes up a little less space on the page.  

 

none taken.  I don't do it on purpose and didn't edit it because people didn't seem to mind.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm n

 

Not provoking or running away.Just don't wanna argue with you about this .You're a Cullen fan and I'm a Cullen fan .Leave it at that.

But I will continue to enjoy hearing about this good news !

 

You provoked me with that pic, and argued with everyone in the previous thread on the very same issue. Please actually keep your words and keep quite this time around. This is the second time you said that. 

[devSin]

Honestly, the news doesn't surprise me (or really interest me, until we actually find out who the romance options are and to whom they're available), but I do feel the tone Cameron has set for this conversation is decidedly unfriendly.

 

It's a shame that the news had to come out this way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is it?  Or did that extra year and more resources allow for an expansion of LIs that made playersexuality unneeded this time?

Yes, it is. You can make the romances the best to have ever existed, but robbing some from experiencing them makes it bad.

 

 

Its a positive change for me personally. I don't know how greatly it affects their consumer base as a whole, positively or negatively. I can certainly appreciate and understand why it'd be a negative change for others though.

That's fine. At least you don't see it as a universal positive, unlike some others in here.

[Grieving Natashina]

Sigh.

 

I was looking forward to playing as a female PC and romancing Cass, then playing as a male PC and romancing Cullen.

 

Taking options away from people seriously can't be a good thing. If someone wanted to play their game and pretend that everyone was a set sexuality, they could do that even if the characters were bi or playersexual. With the exception of Anders, it's not like any of the characters automatically want to get in your pants.

 

I can see the arguments people are having for the idea of set sexualities. But jebus you can still have that in your own playthroughs with all bi characters.

However, they did state it was to flesh out the companions more.  YMVM as to one's feelings on the subject.  I was left feeling they indirectly stated that bisexual/pansexual companions (and people for that matter) don't have 3 dimensional personalities if they all happen to be in the same group.   I guess my circle of friends that I've had over the last 20+ years, with straight friends in the minority, is "unrealistic" now.  That's where I'm rather smarting from this.  I'm not trying to put words in any dev's mouths, since I know they didn't say that.  Nor do I think they meant it that way, so please don't think I mean that as such.

 

Again, I'm know that a lot of this comes from a bad choice of words from the part of Cameron, but I really am looking forward to him saying something more...eloquent about the subject.

[Battlebloodmage]

Blah, elves. My sympathies to people who wanted bi companions if that's the case.

That is why Solas needs to be straight, we haven't had a straight elf yet.

[Chari]

I personally don't think sexuality has any impact on a person's personality. The love interests would be just as defined as characters in there personalities regardless of what sexualities they had, even if they're all bisexual.

If we're going to start imposing limits to help define the characters, gender isn't the place to start. Values and ideals are the place to start. Cassandra and Cullen shouldn't romance a blood mage, Solas and Sera shouldn't romance people who are bigoted against elves, Iron Bull shouldn't romance someone who's bigoted against qunari, Vivienne, Dorian, and Solas shouldn't romance someone who's bigoted against mages.

Those are the distinctions that matter in regards to the integrity of their characters, in my opinion.

From what I've heard this time romance will actually take PCs actions into account
BTW no blood mage specialisation this time

[Mes]

However, they did state it was to flesh out the companions more.  YMVM as to one's feelings on the subject.  I was left feeling indirectly states that bisexual/pansexual companions (and people for that matter) don't have 3 dimensional personalities if they all happen to be in the same group.  I guess my circle of friends that I've had over the last 20+ years, with straight friends in the minority, is "unrealistic" now.  That's where I'm rather smarting from this.

 

Yeah I wonder how that's gonna make them "fleshed out" more? Are they actually going to come with backstories on how their sexualities have shaped their lives?

 

Hmm yeah sorry Natashina, guess you and your friends aren't REALISTIC!

[sandalisthemaker]

I would like stereotypes to not have been a factor when deciding who the LI's were. Especially the male LIs.

 

Do the elves really have to be the bisexual ones?

 

Do the bisexual characters have to be promiscuous?

 

Do the muscular, tough guys have to be straight?

 

Etc.

[Former_Fiend]

I'd find it destroyed if no-one interacts with the fact that my character is doing something which would be questionable for their position. I've argued this for countless times but I've always wanted the playersexual option to exist with the fact that the world reacts to your choices--although not financially feasible due to the fact that you'd need to develop twice the content.

 

If my Hawke is a lord / lady and they're expected to have children for the sake of them carrying the name, I'd expect the world reacts when they bring home someone of the same-sex as their lover. Perhaps Merrill has to deal with the Dalish hating on the fact that she's in a relationship with a m!Hawke due to the fear that she'd bear human offspring and be "tainted" or what say you.

I feel the DA2 implementation of it shattered any context of... well, anything. Anders admits that he loved Carl or he doesn't based off your gender, no-one questions your romantic partner and all dialogue is simply reverse pronouns. The DA2 romance options felt like some weird oddity trapped in a bubble where nothing mattered.

Leliana and Zevran had this problem as well but not as much as DA2, they had some gender-exclusive conversations (rather than the occasional line) but they felt hollow in comparison to Alistair and Morrigan which their character had the expectations of the gender built upon, you've got things like Morrigan getting pregnant and discovering "love" with the main character.

 

Technically speaking, Hawke isn't a lord or lady; they're just rich. It's pointed out several times in act 2 in dialogue with Aveline and Varric that Hawke doesn't have an official title(Aveline nags them to petition one, Varric strongly cautions against it).

 

Even if they were, the only people we meet who're in a position to really nag Hawke to carry on the family line is Leandra, and she just isn't the type. 

 

I do agree that there were flaws in the system; Anders only mentioning Karl to a male Hawke being a predominant one, but over all it just seems to be an aspect of the setting.

[Wothen]

However, they did state it was to flesh out the companions more.  YMVM as to one's feelings on the subject.  I was left feeling indirectly states that bisexual/pansexual companions (and people for that matter) don't have 3 dimensional personalities if they all happen to be in the same group.  I guess my circle of friends that I've had over the last 20+ years, with straight friends in the minority, is "unrealistic" now.  That's where I'm rather smarting from this.

 

Actually all the people you call friends had things in common with you, thats why you hanged out with them to begin with, so you nurtured the friendship with handpicked people of atleast similar minds

I fail to see the comparison

[Jynxed_]

That is why Solas needs to be straight, we haven't had a straight elf yet.

-____- Your really eager to send the Nick Cage elf to straight girls aren't ya

[Grieving Natashina]

Technically speaking, Hawke isn't a lord or lady; they're just rich. It's pointed out several times in act 2 in dialogue with Aveline and Varric that Hawke doesn't have an official title(Aveline nags them to petition one, Varric strongly cautions against it).

 

Even if they were, the only people we meet who're in a position to really nag Hawke to carry on the family line is Leandra, and she just isn't the type. 

 

I do agree that there were flaws in the system; Anders only mentioning Karl to a male Hawke being a predominant one, but over all it just seems to be an aspect of the setting.

 

Actually she brings up grandkids, regardless of what gender you romanced.  So while she doesn't "nag" Hawke, it does show that her (or at least Malcome's) bloodline matters to her.

[SerCambria358]

Sigh.

 

I was looking forward to playing as a female PC and romancing Cass, then playing as a male PC and romancing Cullen.

 

Taking options away from people seriously can't be a good thing. If someone wanted to play their game and pretend that everyone was a set sexuality, they could do that even if the characters were bi or playersexual. With the exception of Anders, it's not like any of the characters automatically want to get in your pants.

 

I can see the arguments people are having for the idea of set sexualities. But jebus you can still have that in your own playthroughs with all bi characters.

"It just sounds so...romantic", she says this for both male and female hawke. Maybe hinting to the possibility of being bi?

[PinkDiamondstl]

You provoked me with that pic, and argued with everyone in the previous thread on the very same issue. Please actually keep your words and keep quite this time around. This is the second time you said that. 

Oh I won't be keeping quite. And I did't say I'm leaving I said I don't want to argue with you .If you don't like it you are free to leave.

[chrislynn]

This is disappointing for me because I prefer have more options as a straight female which increases the replayablity for me but not unexpected. (yes, I just made that word up).

 

I hope people understand that for some people even the 2/2/2 split may not be 'balanced' or 'fair' if the one companion or npc they were hoping to romance isn't available to them. Trust me, when we find out, some who are happy now, may not be. And the speculation about who is able to be romanced and by who is only going to increase combined with ritual sacrifices and bribery to the RPG gods that they like the choices. 

 

This is by no means a deal breaker for me because I don't play DA only for the romances but for the whole story and the world created.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BTW no blood mage specialisation this time

Where was this stated?

[Nefla]

That is why Solas needs to be straight, we haven't had a straight elf yet.

This would make me sad. "Sera" should be straight instead.

[Former_Fiend]

Actually she brings up grandkids, regardless of what gender you romanced.  So while she doesn't "nag" Hawke, it does show that her (or at least Malcome's) bloodline matters to her.

 

I vaguely recall that.

 

Adoption's still on the table, and failing that, surrogacy. At the very least, the former is an established method of continuing noble families for real world history. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Actually all the people you call friends had things in common with you, thats why you hanged out with them to begin with, so you nurtured the friendship with handpicked people of atleast similar minds

I fail to see the comparison

Yeah, because I had all my friends take a "sexuality test" before I let them hang out with me.  

 

Most of them happened to be non heterosexual, and most of us didn't start our friendship with "Gee, who do you bang and how often?"  So, again, it isn't "unrealistic" that a group of all non-heterosexual folks can be friends and even possibly date one another.  Crazy, isn't it?

[Vandicus]

 

Where was this stated?

I think it might be an interpretation of the icons for specializations on the mage section of the website, but I'm not super up to date on this stuff.