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[superdeathdealer14]

I'm fine with this.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's already been explained. Magic and all the assorted hocus-pocus is part of the setting. People changing their sexuality on a whim because the player character wants them to is not. This is not going backwards, this is prefering a way to implement gameplay mechanics (which what romances are in the end) over another. Anyone can freely like or not like any mechanic, but this talk of ''going backward'' is silly. It's not like Bioware is reversing a bill legalising gay marriage or something.

You still haven't explained how two Wardens survived the battle at Ostagar and realistically got all of Thedas to unite.  You still haven't told me how realistic it is to have races other than human.  You still haven't told me how realistic it is that Hawke was a large trigger in the Mage vs Templar war.   You still haven't told me why it's realistic there isn't any skin color racism despite the presence of non-humans. 

 

See, oftentimes Realism™ seems coming down to, "It makes me uncomfortable, therefore make it go away."  Or just lazy design.  "See, we don't have many LGBTQ characters in our game, because it's realistic to the time period."  <sigh>

 

On a whim? Seriously?  I hate to break it to you, but folks come out of the closet all the time.  There is probably people you work with right now that are non-heterosexual coming to terms with it as we speak.  They could be in their teens, their could be in their 50s.  

 

Yes, as far I'm concerned, they are going backward with this system.  As one fantastic poster put it earlier today (paraphrasing): This is a big deal to us.  How the company presents itself in both it's image and it's game play means a lot.  Being told that it "isn't a big deal" and to just "stay quiet" is not cutting it for many of us.

 

After watching them spend literally years defending DA2's system only to take this approach, it felt like they were caving in.  I know this isn't entirely true, as the quotes from David I just put up proves.   I don't hate BioWare nor do I think of them as homophobes, pigs or any other name you can think of.  I just think this is a very poor choice on their part and it makes me sad.  It won't stop me from ordering the game and it won't stop me from enjoying it.  I am saying that this shook my faith in the company as a customer.  

 

I guess we'll agree to disagree.  I don't think either of us will come to a real understanding about this one, so I'm content to let it be.  I do look forward to seeing you around the forums, in lighter hearted threads.  

[Ryzaki]

Companion: I feel like there's so much at stake, and with so much we could lose, it's got me thinking about the things I've forgotten to do, people I feel I should reconnect with.

 

Inquisitor: Fascinating. You know what helps me pull through this sort of thing?

 

Companion: What?

 

Inquisitor: Bringing company into the tent.

 

XD

 

Wait...I wonder if the Inquisitor will have any...um...ladies/gents of the night in their keeps. To keep morale up you know

[Ryzaki]

Unlikely as she has a thing with some dude in that animu movie. 

 

That doesn't stop her from being a bi option.

[Lenimph]

I better be able to flirt with the straight people... and have them deny me realistically. Instead of never being able to flirt with them in the first place because I don't reach a gender requirement. 

 

I'M LOOKING AT YOU MIRANDA LAWSON

[stuffystuffs]

I doubt the gay romances will be the npc romances.

 

They did it that way in ME 3 because they were late additions to the series. Here, whole new party with no real preset sexualities from previous games, so they can make whoever whatever they need.

 

Yeah they did.

 

I guess I'm thinking they would prefer to deny the better options (ones with party members) to the m/m or f/f crowd (if that makes sense).  For example, I can't imagine there only being one female available for the male Inquisitor among the party.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hinata Hyuuga (sorry, I can't get the quote option to work for me on the new forum yet. Probably doing something wrong!)

 

I guess by my count each gay/straight player would have only 2 options? Unless there's 2 options of each orientation for each gender? Does that make sense?

If you are referring to my 2/2/2 explanation, then yes a straight player and gay player will get 2 LIs. They'd have 4 options though is what I meant. 

[Ailith Tycane]

I'm sure it's all been said before in 30+ pages, but I'm actually super dissapointed to hear this. This just seems like a tactic that will ****** more people off than it will make people happy. 

[Ryzaki]

Hinata Hyuuga (sorry, I can't get the quote option to work for me on the new forum yet. Probably doing something wrong!)

 

I guess by my count each gay/straight player would have only 2 options? Unless there's 2 options of each orientation for each gender? Does that make sense?

 

Yes everyone gets two except bi players. They'd get 4.

[Squeeze the Fish]

Gotcha'. Thank you!

[Lenimph]

That doesn't stop her from being a bi option.

Of course not. But then she wouldn't really be fitting the butch stereotype... which is a good thing, but not what was being discussed. 

[Former_Fiend]

I better be able to flirt with the straight people... and have them deny me realistically. Instead of never being able to flirt with them in the first place because I don't reach a gender requirement. 

 

I'M LOOKING AT YOU MIRANDA LAWSON

 

I actually always found that to be weird, myself. 

 

At least a male Shepard could hit on Traynor and get shot down. Hope they include that for everyone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes everyone gets two except bi players. They'd get 4.

Yeah. Everyone gets access to 4, but if you opt not to play as a bisexual, you only get 2. 

 

Gotcha'. Thank you!

No problem.

[Ryzaki]

I better be able to flirt with the straight people... and have them deny me realistically. Instead of never being able to flirt with them in the first place because I don't reach a gender requirement. 

 

I'M LOOKING AT YOU MIRANDA LAWSON

 

Oh god this.

 

I want to be able to hit on people and get shut down. Not have the Inquisitor have some magical gaydar that has them never hit on anyone wrongly whatsoever.

[Fredward]

Yes everyone gets two except bi players. They'd get 4.

 

I feel so privileged right now. I just want to thank my genes and early environmental influences for being here today!

[sandalisthemaker]

Yeah they did.

 

I guess I'm thinking they would prefer to deny the better options (ones with party members) to the m/m or f/f crowd (if that makes sense).  For example, I can't imagine there only being one female available for the male Inquisitor among the party.

 

Ugh. *rolls eyes*

 

smh

[Ryzaki]

Of course not. But then she wouldn't really be fitting the butch stereotype... which is a good thing, but not what was being discussed.

 

She'd fit in in looks if anything and of the females we know about she seems closest to the sterotype (granted she doesn't fit it just speaking in generalities).

[PinkDiamondstl]

So which sex gets Cullen?

[Ailith Tycane]

Of course not. But then she wouldn't really be fitting the butch stereotype... which is a good thing, but not what was being discussed. 

 

Bioware never makes the butch stereotypes the lesbian options though, which makes me extremely nervous...

[Grieving Natashina]

Interesting.  I didn't see this at all, but I have my own biases (and loads of context people don't have).  Care to elaborate further?

Sure.   I had read earlier, in another article, that the reason why you guys decided to go set sexualities is to "flesh out the characters outside of romance."  So, a set sexuality is needed for this?  There can't be conversations about marriage, kids, even spouses of either gender without making their sexuality completely defined?

 

 It ended up feeling like, "If you're not within a totally defined sexuality, then you don't have enough personality on your own merit."  It's bad enough hearing folks talking about characters that become (or just are) pansexual "cheapened" by a change of sexuality.  It just felt like comments like that added fuel to those kind of fires.  

 

I know it wasn't intended that way, so please don't mistake me.  There was just something in the wording that left a lot to be desired.  I will say that I'm sure you guys are going to address this later at E3 and clear a lot of this up.  I won't be shooting the messenger and thanks for asking for my view.

[DreGregoire]

I always kinda thought, hmmm, Lelianna and Cassandra had a thing.... LOL!

[oceanicsurvivor]

Of course not. But then she wouldn't really be fitting the butch stereotype... which is a good thing, but not what was being discussed. 

 

The butch 'stereotype' isn't inherently bad, just like an effeminate gay male isn't inherently bad. Admittedly its a very fine line, but representing people in the LGB community who make people uncomfortable by not conforming to traditional gender norms is super important. As awesome as Isabela and Leliana are, I would also love a bi or gay woman who isn't interested in pretty things and who knows how to fix the wagon wheels on the caravan or whatever would be appropriately butch for the Dragon Age setting.

 

I want Ellen DeGenres with battle scars and a broadsword damnit.

[Shadow Fox]

So... potentially everyone?

Fixed, attractiveness being subjective and all that.

[Omikuji]

I always find such cries for romancing characters interesting, I mean, this is a game about saving the world with a bunch of your allies and so many things going on that are larger then you that you get swept up in unwillingly. Romance is way second to the games intention isn't it? This isn't a dating sim last I checked...? 

 

I guess that does show impressive credit to the writers, when the characters they write get so fawned over to the point people start demanding and judging the writers for the choices they make. They wanted to have the characters not all be some bangable pieces of meat who's only point in the story is weather or not you can romance them. To have the characters have their preferences about romance makes them feel a bit deeper in my opinion, just like people have theirs. It makes them feel like real characters even if they are just manifestations of a bunch of pixels and numbers, so why should these characters be nothing more then toys to win? People aren't like that, so why should characters who are supposed to be believable like people be that way? 

 

There's been this idea of 'limitations' being thrown around with the romances. But, I don't think everything should be open, limitations allow for a much more appealing romance because it becomes special and something that the character is wanting as well. I never had issues with the DAII characters because I could believe they weren't focus on the gender of Hawk for their romance, certainly when they where all fragmented and the way you "romanced them up" was more believable. They all had reasons I could understand, then there was characters in that party you couldn't touch because their character life didn't want any sort of relationship with Hawk. But in DAO I always found them being limiting in the romance really understandable, even if the system to get them to that point bonk'd and primitive. 

 

Honestly, I want friendship. I want to see how the characters grow on one another, how they interact, what sort of tones they take with each other and what sort of feelings they give off without the end part of their 'relationship chain' be the reward of make outs. I want to be able to treat my companions to a round of drinks, see them help each other, maybe even form relationships between each other rather then just me being this paragon of their romancing views. It's just... it seems almost unnecessary of a massive fuss because the characters aren't all open for a romance. 

 

Though I am asexual, had a number of gay and straight relationships, was almost married, blah blah but was never bothered by this sort of thing. Because if the writer wants to have their characters be more real, and having a preference makes them that, all the power to them. It should not be seen as some sort of attack against gay/bi people, because a character is not gay/bi themselves.