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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I kind of worry about the whole "fitting stereotypes" thing. No character should be a glaring stereotype, but, at the same time, I worry about going way against expectations just for the point of acting against stereotypes. I don't want to get stuck with always super macho guys as m/m (or for it to be basically demanded) because there's a worry they'll go too far over into stereotype territory. I hope there's an acknowledgement of the difference between characters that defy gender stereotypes vs the stereotypical lisping Hollywood gay or lumberjack lesbians.

 

To be honest, I have more faith in Bioware to know the distinction than I do for the userbase not to call them out when it's not needed. So, I worry about people heavily policing the "stereotype" line. 

[NedPepper]

Disregarding all the complaints and schadenfreude, this is how I think the romances will be set up (at least for the males):

 

Straight Male: Cullen

Bi Male: Solas

Gay Male: DHMG

 

Reason being that Cullen was heavily shown to be straight in DA:O and the majority of his fans are female, so he's probably going to cater to them. Solas is bi because he's the only elf companion and I doubt they're going to leave females out of romancing other races. Finally, DHMG is gay because he is around Cullen's level of attractiveness, so both straight girls and gay guys get an attractive companion, with a fairly "unattractive" guy for both to romance.

If that "unattractive" guy really is Cole, romancing him would be creepy on multiple levels.  Unless he's changed since the novel.  He's basically a child. And some kind of spirit/demon thing.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Hmm, they should've made some bisexuals IMO. I foresee another situation like Traynor, where she rejects me because she's a straight lesbian and I have to stand by idly as that asari beats her in space chess.   Don't really care though. My Inquisitor is going to end up as the sexiest character by far, regardless of gender and race.

[SwobyJ]

Hi gay male here. *waves*

 

I'm all for this.

 

However:

 

1)I'd like 2/2/2 or 2/2/1 or something. Basically, I want my male Inquisitor to have at least 2 options to be with a man, not '1 and take it or leave it'.

 

2)I'd like

-Cullen (though I TOTALLY understand him being straight)

-Varric (somehow he really interests me , but I also understand him being straight/unavailable)

-Blonde guy in Last Supper pic

-Iron Bull (OH YEAHHH)

-Darker skinned guy next to Iron Bull (RAWR)

-Maybe that Warden guy (hmmm?)

 

Give me at least 2 and I'll love ya Bioware

 

 

I don't play Bioware games for them to be a bloody dating sim anyway, and I'm more wanting compelling character stories and the ability to have an effect on them, then wanting to marry my husbando or whatever.

 

My bf romanced Miranda in ME2-ME3. He loved it. Liked her character.

I waited til ME3 to romance Kaidan. Felt alright. Could have been better. But glad Bioware put the effort in to allow it. Hope next Mass game works on this more.

 

It's not crucial to me. It's a side thing. It's always been designed as such anyway - despite the fan stuff online.

[Maria Caliban]

We only 3 females in the groups, so someone has to crossdress. I vote for Varric.

I am down for that.
 

Least it wasn't Allers.

:o

[Battlebloodmage]

no..... ..... .  and for precisely those reasons.

 

i'm a lil heartbroken today.

Aww... let me give you a digital hug

 

 

 worst thing could have happened I guess. We have been asking for Cullen for a long time and there was very low chance he's even in it. Even if he's an NPC, it's still better than nothing. Cheer up.   

[Former_Fiend]

And I've never gotten the "it's a game about saving the world; the romances don't matter" thing.

 

You're going to have to give me some motivation to actually save the world. Saying the world's about to end is a very cheap and ineffective way to get us invested in the story. We need something personal worth fighting for; especially in a world so ugly and flawed as Thedas. 

 

A good romance can remind us why we're fighting.

[ahellbornlady]

Oh god this.

 

I want to be able to hit on people and get shut down. Not have the Inquisitor have some magical gaydar that has them never hit on anyone wrongly whatsoever.

 

Yes! I want to flirt with everyone, regardless of whether I can actually initiate a romance or not. I want to be rejected!

[Fredward]

It should not be seen as some sort of attack against gay/bi people, because a character is not gay/bi themselves.

 

It's not really seen as an attack by excluding different sexualities more like contributing to an ambient culture of exclusion. Not that this particular criticism really applies to Bioware though, not by a long shot.

[Ryzaki]

And I've never gotten the "it's a game about saving the world; the romances don't matter" thing.

 

You're going to have to give me some motivation to actually save the world. Saying the world's about to end is a very cheap and ineffective way to get us invested in the story. We need something personal worth fighting for; especially in a world so ugly and flawed as Thedas. 

 

A good romance can remind us why we're fighting.

 

Yep. DAO to me becomes much more meh without romances. (Not to mention the ending something that usually has me going gnawing on my lip a little during my Alistair/Morrigan romances becomes a simple "You become king, yes yes I'm sparing the traitor. You go die. Whoot") It lost a lot of the drama for me when I did my no romance playthrough.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes! I want to flirt with everyone, regardless of whether I can actually initiate a romance or not. I want to be rejected!

Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go oh oh.  

I wanna be rejected!  

Just me put in the friend zone, hurry and say no.  

Hurry hurry hurry, my blue balls are gonna show!

I can't control my fingers, I can't control my toes.  

Oh no no no no nooooo!

 

 

Sorry, bit of levity was needed.

[ahellbornlady]

And I've never gotten the "it's a game about saving the world; the romances don't matter" thing.

 

You're going to have to give me some motivation to actually save the world. Saying the world's about to end is a very cheap and ineffective way to get us invested in the story. We need something personal worth fighting for; especially in a world so ugly and flawed as Thedas. 

 

A good romance can remind us why we're fighting.

 

THIS. A million times this. It makes me feel way more invested in the story as a whole.

[DreGregoire]

Yes! I want to flirt with everyone, regardless of whether I can actually initiate a romance or not. I want to be rejected!

 

One of my Hawke's had a reputation. The option to flirt and be rejected would have been even more fun and would have only served to build mentioned Hawke's reputation. It would be nice to have a similiar option(s).

[Blackrising]

Oh golly. Look at my face. See how happy I am with these news? (Never before has my icon been this accurate.)

 

Yeah, I'm not happy with this. At all. The whole concept of 'realism' being more important than enjoyment, not to mention that apparently a character of an undefined sexuality is less 'fleshed out' than a character that is definitely one or the other is...disconcerting.
Maybe because I know so many people that refuse to define themselves as anything and they'd probably be quite offended at the assumption.

*sigh*

In any case, I am disappointed. Previous experiences with that kind of system have taught me that the one LI I am interested in will not be available to my gender. That does put a damper on my enthusiasm.

[SwobyJ]

And I've never gotten the "it's a game about saving the world; the romances don't matter" thing.

 

You're going to have to give me some motivation to actually save the world. Saying the world's about to end is a very cheap and ineffective way to get us invested in the story. We need something personal worth fighting for; especially in a world so ugly and flawed as Thedas. 

 

A good romance can remind us why we're fighting.

 

It can, but by now, I'm getting pretty annoyed at the insinuation that its required for players to care.

 

I'd love to see Bioware make a game without any player romance storyline, and make it just as compelling as ever. Challenge expectations.

[Allan Schumacher]

Allan I am mostly about technicalities. From an implementation perspective, which one would be much easier to implement between the two schools of romance systems?

 

Explicitly define which schools you mean (I think I know, but I want it stated simply because people may take what I say out of context).  The DA2 all bisexual model is one thing, while I'm assuming you mean 2/2/2 with 2 hetero/gay/bisexual?

[Ryzaki]

One of my Hawke's had a reputation. The option to flirt and be rejected would have been even more fun and would have only served to build mentioned Hawke's reputation. It would be nice to have a similiar option(s).

 

I'm still confused why Varric called out my douche Hawke for going to the rose when the man had never hired a worker there.

[Allan Schumacher]

Hina feels (and I agree) that in this regard the romances are returning to it's Dragon Age roots of set romances.  And for some, including her and I, that's not a good thing.

 

While you're here, I did want to thank you for sticking around this thread.  I'm sure when it came up in the office that this information was going to be released this week, you drew the short straw and are dealing with us now. Or you are a masochist that loves his work and BW's fan too much and volunteered to play referee on the forums.

 

Or all of the above.  

 

It does mean a lot that you're trying to keep this thread open while we wail or celebrate this news.  Again, thank you.

I think it's safe to say I'm a masochist as I've only *almost* reached the end despite starting hours ago....

[Former_Fiend]

It can, but by now, I'm getting pretty annoyed at the insinuation that its required for players to care.

 

I'd love to see Bioware make a game without any player romance plotline, and make it just as compelling as ever. Challenge expectations.

 

It isn't required. But I do think it's a big part of it.

 

Having the option there, at least, makes me feel much more connected to the world than in games where I can't romance anyone. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

Explicitly define which schools you mean (I think I know, but I want it stated simply because people may take what I say out of context).  The DA2 all bisexual model is one thing, while I'm assuming you mean 2/2/2 with 2 hetero/gay/bisexual?

Out of curiosity, can you give us any basic numbers? 2/2/2? 1/1/1? 2/1/6? 

[DreGregoire]

I'm still confused why Varric called out my douche Hawke for going to the rose when the man had never hired a worker there.

 

Wow and he said nothing to my Hawke about my constant visits. LOL!

[Maria Caliban]

So which sex gets Cullen?

If your Inquisitor doesn't die, the ending cinematic is a giant Orlesan ball with Cullen served naked on a silver platter and everyone, um, digging in.

So all of them.

At once.

[Ryzaki]

Wow and he said nothing to my Hawke about my constant visits. LOL!

 

Where you rivals? Maybe I got hit with a bug =/

[Omikuji]

And I've never gotten the "it's a game about saving the world; the romances don't matter" thing.

 

You're going to have to give me some motivation to actually save the world. Saying the world's about to end is a very cheap and ineffective way to get us invested in the story. We need something personal worth fighting for; especially in a world so ugly and flawed as Thedas. 

 

A good romance can remind us why we're fighting.

I'm not saying that it should be devoid of romance, I'm more saying that the characters shouldn't all be open to a romance when it doesn't make sense for the character to be that way. 

[JoltDealer]

Hmm I'm not sure what you mean in relation to my post... I was trying to get across that I think the notion of sexuality being cemented somehow adds character depth is strange to say the least.

 

Your example almost makes it seem like you think powerful women are automatically bisexual, or women who like fashion are bisexual?

 

Not what I was trying to get across, but it's a touchy area and in trying to avoid striking unpleasant nerves, I ultimately neutered my point.  What I am saying is that sometimes what they are attracted to can be tied into their character and personal history.  The example of Vivienne is purely speculation, but also easiest to point out as what she values is easy to identify.  If she is attracted to power above all else, it would seem out of character for her to ignore someone's power because of their sex or gender.  I'm not saying a lust for power automatically makes one bisexual or that sexual orientation needs to make sense.  I am merely giving an example where one's sexual orientation could be tied to an aspect of their character.  As I've said in earlier posts, sexual orientation is a typically a detail that varies from person to person.  It is almost never a defining characteristic.

 

Before Dragon Age: Origins came out, many people claimed that Morrigan would be the bisexual one because she wanted power. Leliana would be straight because she was sweet and religious.


No, it doesn't "make sense." Being bisexual has nothing to do with one's desire for power.

 

I'm not saying it does.  Like I said, I am merely giving an (rather quickly thought-up) example where a character's sexual orientation being tied into their personality would make sense.  Typically, it is only a minor detail that is only brought up during romances.  I did not intend to imply that bisexuality in and of itself didn't typically make sense.  If that is how my post came across, then I sincerely apologize.  As I said in a previous post, this is a tricky topic to discuss without offending someone.