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[Ryzaki]

Yeah, it's the little things.

 

Also, companions have banter with other companions and I think that's huge in developing a character and their relationship with other characters/the PC.

 

Looking at DA2, I really liked the banter/relationship with Isabela/Aveline and think it definitely enhanced each of their characterizations.

 

Yeah and it's just fun.

 

Plus it makes me wonder how the NPCs will break up with the PC because of decisions or even if they can. Since pretty much every hostile action in the games can be justified and the NPC couldn't see how MUWAHAHAHAHA the PC was while making the decision do they just ignore the decisions you make? Can they only react to decisions you make in front of them? Can you lie to them about decisions you made in the field if your companions decide to go behind the PC's back and tell the LI? Or are they gonna be like Wynne and psychically know even if you went there alone?

 

Plus it's gonna suck if I come back to the camp after 3 hours and get instant dumped especially if they're not clear on the reasons they're dumping my PC.

[DreGregoire]

Are you suggesting you'd like to see the game delayed another year?

 

Wouldn't that take away from the hype of the release of the new Mass Effect title? I'm sure it's coming out then! O.O LOLOL

[RobRam10]

Delay the game.. Half-Life 3 style and when someone says "romances" delayed it for another year.

[Zjarcal]

How bout Valve time?

 

Those are dirty words you know...

[Zjarcal]

Oops, double post.

[Darth Krytie]

I'm not taking this conversation too seriously, but there are people who are, and I would respectfully suggest that the "some of my best friends are" line is exactly the wrong thing to say to them.

 

Have we scored a bingo yet?

[devSin]

Ah okay.  I can understand that.

 

Just in the interest of disclosure, I guess where the disconnect happens is with Cameron's comment "That's definitely the goal, and we are definitely going to go out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation."  Though, to me (who will stumble and bumble) I included "bisexual" as one sexual orientation when I read it.

 

I know sexuality is probably a bit more fluid than that (things like Kinsey Scale and whatnot), but I am hoping it's a prospect of having improved representation in the game beyond just the romances (which was something that came up when I asked people about what it was about the romances that made them so appealing).

I don't think that's accurate, at least from my perspective.

 

As somebody who sees DA2's approach as bisexuality, many of the claims in that article are downright nonsensical (what does "one sexual orientation" even mean), and Cameron's overall statement is borderline insulting (to me; I see chatter that indicates it is truly insulting to some). I don't think it's a disconnect in a single phrase; for me, he doesn't seem to say why explicit orientations are an improvement more than that the inclusivity of the past game was bad... because realism and stuff.

 

As I said in my original comment, I don't think this was the way this news should have been revealed, especially not for a team that claims to want to be welcoming to all players.

[Ryzaki]

Are you suggesting you'd like to see the game delayed another year?

 

Wait now. If this means we can get CE Inq this'd be well worth it.

[Fredward]

My birthday is National Coming Out Day (October 11th) for god's sake!

 

 

If this doesn't prove you are a reasonable and open-minded individual then I don't know what will.

[Aimi]

Have we scored a bingo yet?

Hah. Thirty-eight pages ago.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm not taking this conversation too seriously, but there are people who are, and I would respectfully suggest that the "some of my best friends are" line is exactly the wrong thing to say to them.

 

But some of my best friends use the "some of my best friends" argument.

[JoltDealer]

My apologies for coming off as rude, as it wasn't my intention to offend. However, I will say that I did intend to be rather blunt in suggesting that perhaps you should broaden your horizons.

 

Again, if that offends you, I apologize.

 

I don't know what exactly seems to imply that my horizons aren't broad enough already, which is why I grow increasingly confused by the moment.  I have no idea what I said that suddenly made people think that I was some kind of closed-minded bigot.  If you could enlighten me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  I am not against gay, straight, or bisexual romance options.  I just think that having them all be the same sexual orientation seems a little "video gamey" for the lack of a better word (i.e. where characters cater to the player regardless).  I have a lot of gay, bisexual, and straight friends, but it's a mixed bag of buddies.  Not one quality is the same about them, but they all enjoy a good laugh.  Even then, they don't laugh at the same jokes.

[Mes]

Allan pls.

 

I'm out of likes!! LOL dfjhsdkjfg but.... *LIKE*

 

Delay the game.. Half-Life 3 style and when someone says "romances" delayed it for another year.

 

And when a dev says "realism" bring the date forward by a year. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Well, as a straight female player, I confess I have little interest in Cullen, HOWEVER, it is an unpleasant prospect to think that he might be a romance and then we straight ladies would only get one companion as an option.  I know a lot of women (and men too) were asking for a Cullen romance, but I wasn't one of them.  I'd prefer two companions to choose from, and it's looking like there will only be one companion.  I'd prefer Solas, but, if he's not an option I'm suspicious my playthrough will have to end up celibate.  And while that's not the worst thing in the world, it's also very much Not Cool.

 

Non-companion romances just won't be as in depth or as interesting...

[stuffystuffs]

I have a feeling Vivienne is a lesbian.

 

That would make this all better.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't know what exactly seems to imply that my horizons aren't broad enough already, which is why I grow increasingly confused by the moment.  I have no idea what I said that suddenly made people think that I was some kind of closed-minded bigot.  If you could enlighten me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  I am not against gay, straight, or bisexual romance options.  I just think that having them all be the same sexual orientation seems a little "video gamey" for the lack of a better word (i.e. where characters cater to the player regardless).  I have a lot of gay, bisexual, and straight friends, but it's a mixed bag of buddies.  Not one quality is the same about them, but they all enjoy a good laugh.  Even then, they don't laugh at the same jokes.

 

You dared to disagree with them, or were just not 100% on board with their rage and lamentation. And unfortunately, one side in particular has made the debate so toxic by pouring their emotional baggage into the mix, that to them, you're either with them, or you hate them personally.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't know what exactly seems to imply that my horizons aren't broad enough already, which is why I grow increasingly confused by the moment.  I have no idea what I said that suddenly made people think that I was some kind of closed-minded bigot.  If you could enlighten me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  I am not against gay, straight, or bisexual romance options.  I just think that having them all be the same sexual orientation seems a little "video gamey" for the lack of a better word (i.e. where characters cater to the player regardless).  I have a lot of gay, bisexual, and straight friends, but it's a mixed bag of buddies.  Not one quality is the same about them, but they all enjoy a good laugh.  Even then, they don't laugh at the same jokes.

 

I think everyone needs to broaden their horizons.

[Maria Caliban]

Sadly nope!  TBH the only reason why I'm engaging in this thread is because Cameron's interview makes some things more confirmed, but otherwise I tend to let those with bigger responsibilities than I decide when/if to share stuff since I'm not privy to any sort of big picture.
 
That and I believe in the game and want people to enjoy it as much as possible.

I believe in the game and believe BioWare will make something people can enjoy as much as possible.

If 'solid state sexualities' is what the dev team has decided on, then I'm sure that the result will be something I can get behind. Especially if one of those sexualities is 'Cassandra totally digs my female Inquisitor.'

You can't get any more solid than that in my mind.

[Mes]

Well, as a straight female player, I confess I have little interest in Cullen, HOWEVER, it is an unpleasant prospect to think that he might be a romance and then we straight ladies would only get one companion as an option.  I know a lot of women (and men too) were asking for a Cullen romance, but I wasn't one of them.  I'd prefer two companions to choose from, and it's looking like there will only be one companion.  I'd prefer Solas, but, if he's not an option I'm suspicious my playthrough will have to end up celibate.  And while that's not the worst thing in the world, it's also very much Not Cool.

 

Non-companion romances just won't be as in depth or as interesting...

 

Oh no I'm scared. Wait I'm a little confused (and tired... so am having trouble doing the math). If Cullen is an NPC, along with Scribe Girl (presumably), how does that limit straight ladies' companion romance options?

 

You dared to disagree with them, or were just not 100% on board with their rage and lamentation. And unfortunately, one side in particular has made the debate so toxic by pouring their emotional baggage into the mix, that to them, you're either with them, or you hate them personally.

 

Ooh - disrespecting a whole bunch of people is always a smart move.... 

[Darth Krytie]

I believe in the game and believe BioWare will make something people can enjoy as much as possible.

If 'solid state sexualities' is what the dev team has decided on, then I'm sure that the result will be something I can get behind. Especially is one of those sexualities is 'Cassandra totally digs my female Inquisitor.'

You can't get any more solid than that in my mind.

 

I feel this on a spiritual level. Like a deeply spiritual level.

[jellobell]

We don't know that for sure. We know two facts:

1. Cullen and Cassandra are romanceable.

2. There are set sexualities.

 

We don't know for sure how many people are romanceable, which people (aside from Cullen/Cassandra) are romanceable, and what sexualities are represented and in what number.

 

Unless I missed a post which confirmed the release of said information. In that case, I'd stand corrected.

 

No, that's what we know (though I still don't get what "set sexualities" even means. "Bisexual" is a legitimate orientation. Real people in the real world are bisexual. It's not like they're unicorns). However given that we know that Cullen is a romance and that they aren't likely to have spent a lot more resources on romance than they did for the other games, a total of 6 is probably the max, with 4 companions and 2 NPCs. And if everything is going to be fair and equitable then it's likely that there's gonna be a 2/2/2 split on orientations. However, Cullen takes up one of the straight/bi male slots, and is an NPC, meaning that for straight women who want to play a straight lady in-game and don't want to romance an NPC...there's only one option. Better start praying that you like that character, whoever he is.

[Ryzaki]

Well, as a straight female player, I confess I have little interest in Cullen, HOWEVER, it is an unpleasant prospect to think that he might be a romance and then we straight ladies would only get one companion as an option.  I know a lot of women (and men too) were asking for a Cullen romance, but I wasn't one of them.  I'd prefer two companions to choose from, and it's looking like there will only be one companion.  I'd prefer Solas, but, if he's not an option I'm suspicious my playthrough will have to end up celibate.  And while that's not the worst thing in the world, it's also very much Not Cool.

 

Non-companion romances just won't be as in depth or as interesting...

 

I'm in the same boat except I'd prefer DHMG rather than Solas.

 

*sigh* I guess if worst comes to worst I can force myself to play through male Inq he's cute enough after all and his voice is pleasant enough still bleh.

 

Please for the love of gaming let femInq voice not suck. I'm not sure what'd I do then =/ the main reason I was able to play DA2 as many times was because of all the LIs being open.

[Brass_Buckles]

Oh no I'm scared. Wait I'm a little confused (and tired... so am having trouble doing the math). If Cullen is an NPC, along with Scribe Girl (presumably), how does that limit straight ladies' companion romance options?

 

 

Ooh - disrespecting a whole bunch of people is always a smart move.... 

 

If Cullen is straight, then the remaining two male LIs would presumably be bisexual and gay.  That means that the only options for a straight female Inquisitor would be a non-companion, or the sole bisexual male companion.  Vice versa is also true, if Cullen is bi and the other LI is straight... you still only really get one option if you want a companion to be your LI.  Scribe Girl notwithstanding, all three female companions might be romance options.

 

We may be surprised and there might be someone else added into the mix, or more than two total bisexual companions, but yes, as others have pointed out earlier in the thread, straight women will get the short end of the stick if one of our potential romances is not a companion--we will miss out on all of that extra content that goes along with the companion.  It'll be Mass Effect 3 all over again.

[JoltDealer]

I'm not taking this conversation too seriously, but there are people who are, and I would respectfully suggest that the "some of my best friends are" line is exactly the wrong thing to say to them.

Yeah, I thought the same exact thing as I was typing it, but somewhere along the way, people started assuming that I hated the LGBT community because I thought having only bisexual romances would break game immersion as it seemed "unlikely."  I didn't criticize any sexual orientation and if I did, it wasn't intentional.  I'm not against gay, bisexual, or straight romances.  I am only against the idea of all potential romance options only being one uniform, sexual orientation.  This is honestly the first time I've ever been treated like a bigot and I didn't know what to say, so I went with, "some of my best friends are."  I panicked and went with truth, which also happened to be one of the most incriminating statements one could ever say whilst defending oneself.

[ahellbornlady]

Well, as a straight female player, I confess I have little interest in Cullen, HOWEVER, it is an unpleasant prospect to think that he might be a romance and then we straight ladies would only get one companion as an option.  I know a lot of women (and men too) were asking for a Cullen romance, but I wasn't one of them.  I'd prefer two companions to choose from, and it's looking like there will only be one companion.  I'd prefer Solas, but, if he's not an option I'm suspicious my playthrough will have to end up celibate.  And while that's not the worst thing in the world, it's also very much Not Cool.

 

Non-companion romances just won't be as in depth or as interesting...

 

As someone who has been thirsty as hell for a Cullen romance since DA:O, I have the same concerns about a non-companion romances. Though I've resigned myself to the fact that's all I'll be getting. I suppose I should be grateful he's in the game at all but I can't help feeling disappointed that his romance won't be a "full-fledged" one, as it were.