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We may be surprised and there might be someone else added into the mix, or more than two total bisexual companions, but yes, as others have pointed out earlier in the thread, straight women will get the short end of the stick if one of our potential romances is not a companion--we will miss out on all of that extra content that goes along with the companion. It'll be Mass Effect 3 all over again.
What the....? Dragon Age has an enormous female fan base. This does not compute.
What the....? Dragon Age has an enormous female fan base. This does not compute.
Hahaha. I wish I could be so trusting.
(though I still don't get what "set sexualities" even means. "Bisexual" is a legitimate orientation. Real people in the real world are bisexual. It's not like they're unicorns)
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No, that's what we know (though I still don't get what "set sexualities" even means. "Bisexual" is a legitimate orientation. Real people in the real world are bisexual. It's not like they're unicorns). However given that we know that Cullen is a romance and that they aren't likely to have spent a lot more resources on romance than they did for the other games, a total of 6 is probably the max, with 4 companions and 2 NPCs. And if everything is going to be fair and equitable then it's likely that there's gonna be a 2/2/2 split on orientations. However, Cullen takes up one of the straight/bi male slots, and is an NPC, meaning that for straight women who want to play a straight lady in-game and don't want to romance an NPC...there's only one option. Better start praying that you like that character, whoever he is.
Yeah, I'm not sure how they're going to deal with the sexuality thing. I personally know very well that bisexuality exists, even if I consider myself functionally a lesbian at this point. (Hell, I call myself queer because it's too damned hard to explain my sexuality in simple, one word terms).
But...on BW's side, there's always gonna be some limitations. It just comes down to whether we can all live with it. I do think it's a disservice to immediately reject the potential NPC romance as definitively inferior. I know it sorta was in ME, but this is a different game. It might work out to be done really well. Especially if they don't really have a lot of "in-the-field" romance stuff and relegate romance stuff to the Keeps. Then it could be fairly equal on those terms.
I hope that the blonde elf girl isn't strictly homosexual because she looks to be the only pleasant-demeanored lady.
I'm in the same boat except I'd prefer DHMG rather than Solas.
*sigh* I guess if worst comes to worst I can force myself to play through male Inq he's cute enough after all and his voice is pleasant enough still bleh.
Please for the love of gaming let femInq voice not suck. I'm not sure what'd I do then =/ the main reason I was able to play DA2 as many times was because of all the LIs being open.
It might go like this though
cullen might be pure straight, but solas and hands guy are bi
cassandra might be pure straight, but scribe girl and sera are bi
What kind of ridiculous price is that? You can that for just a few sovereigns at the Rose.
XD
But would it be a guy be as good looking? Eh? Eh?
Yeah I've had too much sugar today.
It might go like this though
cullen might be pure straight, but solas and hands guy are bi
cassandra might be pure straight, but scribe girl and sera are bi
True that would be better for me. I'd just rather share the LIs and have everyone get equal options though =/
As someone who has been thirsty as hell for a Cullen romance since DA:O, I have the same concerns about a non-companion romances. Though I've resigned myself to the fact that's all I'll be getting. I suppose I should be grateful he's in the game at all but I can't help feeling disappointed that his romance won't be a "full-fledged" one, as it were.
Yeah but by the same token, those of us who didn't want Cullen in the first place, now only have one option. I mean, I might pursue Cullen at some point if he seems more interesting than he has in DA:O and DA2. But I'd rather have a companion romance, and... yeah. Options seem to have been reduced.
If the scribe girl is an option for straight males, or is bisexual, then that might balance things out slightly, but I get the feeling that instead, we're going to see all female companions be romance options because there are after all only 3 of them--though that is only speculation. Vivienne might, for instance, be lesbian, Sera would be bisexual (because elf), and Cassandra is likely to be straight (though she may be bisexual as well). This would mean that if there were any extra non-companion romances, apart from Cullen, they'd likely be extra romances for men. Granted, if any of the female companions are not romanceable, I think it would be Vivienne. And, if they do make all three romances, they would probably add one more male (I hope) to the romance mix for balance. Most likely Iron Bull, due to Varric's history and the Warden's apparent age being above the usual for romance options.
I'm really, really hoping that straight ladies are not being short-ended again, and yet my bitter, jaded personality tells me I shouldn't hope because I know better.
Are we seriously going to debate who has a more objectively sound reason for playing pixel make believe games? 
But...on BW's side, there's always gonna be some limitations. It just comes down to whether we can all live with it. I do think it's a disservice to immediately reject the potential NPC romance as definitively inferior. I know it sorta was in ME, but this is a different game. It might work out to be done really well. Especially if they don't really have a lot of "in-the-field" romance stuff and relegate romance stuff to the Keeps. Then it could be fairly equal on those terms.
*sigh* I'd like to believe that, I really would. But one of the main draws of Bioware romances is that they're forged through battle and adventure and being at each others' sides through thick and thin. Garrus's romance is my favourite of any Bioware's done, precisely because he was a companion for all three Mass Effect games. It really felt like he was always watching out for you, and you for him. Taking away the companion aspect of the romance really kills a lot of what I find to be appealing about them.
If Cullen is straight, then the remaining two male LIs would presumably be bisexual and gay. That means that the only options for a straight female Inquisitor would be a non-companion, or the sole bisexual male companion. Vice versa is also true, if Cullen is bi and the other LI is straight... you still only really get one option if you want a companion to be your LI. Scribe Girl notwithstanding, all three female companions might be romance options.
We may be surprised and there might be someone else added into the mix, or more than two total bisexual companions, but yes, as others have pointed out earlier in the thread, straight women will get the short end of the stick if one of our potential romances is not a companion--we will miss out on all of that extra content that goes along with the companion. It'll be Mass Effect 3 all over again.
And on the other side, if Scribe Girl is the straight female LI, straight men get the short end of the stick too?
*sigh* I'd like to believe that, I really would. But one of the main draws of Bioware romances is that they're forged through battle and adventure and being at each others' sides through thick and thin. Garrus's romance is my favourite of any Bioware's done, precisely because he was a companion for all three Mass Effect games. It really felt like he was always watching out for you, and you for him. Taking away the companion aspect of the romance really kills a lot of what I find to be appealing about them.
While I do enjoy those type of romances, on the flip side, I'm kind of getting burnt out on them.
I'd like to see Bioware tackle one where your LI isn't out in the field with you all the time. I think there's plenty of room and material for dramatic and romantic tension in such a romance, and it would add variety to Bioware's overall offerings.
And on the other side, if Scribe Girl is the straight female LI, straight men get the short end of the stick too?
Yep someone's getting shortchanged. Better than than me.
Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 23 avril 2014 - 07:50 .
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While I do enjoy those type of romances, on the flip side, I'm kind of getting burnt out on them.
I'd like to see Bioware tackle one where your LI isn't out in the field with you all the time. I think there's plenty of room and material for dramatic and romantic tension in such a romance, and it would add variety to Bioware's overall offerings.
Sure, but I'd probably be more willing to try it out if it was a Sebastian-esque extra option, rather than standing in the way of another companion.
Sure, but I'd probably be more willing to try it out if it was a Sebastian-esque extra option, rather than standing in the way of another companion.
Assuming we're getting four companion LI's and two NPC Li's, then I don't see the NPC's as standing in the way of the companions, considering four is all we've ever gotten in DA, not counting DLC.
Because regardless of how you feel about sexual orientations, it's not common that you run into 9-12 people who all happen to be bisexual. Maybe "unrealistic" isn't the right word, but it's certainly not typical of the people you would meet in real life. You may have 9 or 12 awesomely badass friends, but I highly doubt that even half of them are the same sexual orientation. One of the amazing aspects about people in general, is that two individuals can be vastly different from one another. Like Samara said, "If there are three humans in a room, there will be six opinions." The idea that the sexual orientation of that many people would be exactly the same strikes me as unlikely, even in the fantasy setting of Dragon Age.
I do not like the insistence that the party make up is incongruent with whatever people may happen to think is an acceptable distribution of sexual orientation and therefore that takes away from the game. Forgive my bias, but doubly so because in my experience there'd be less of a concern if all the companions were hetereosexual.
Lets assume there's a straight up 1/3 1/3 1/3 split of heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual. With 4 romanceable companions, that means that the odds of there being 4 love interests that are all of the same orientation is about 1%. Which may seem like a small number... but it doesn't strike me as being frighteningly shocking. Unlikely? Sure. So DA2 was unlikely then. I'm still not really seeing the problem. Note that this is the odds of them all being heterosexual and homosexual as well (does the number seem a little too small for heterosexuals for some people? I wouldn't be surprised if it does).
Now, lets look at the probability of there being 2/1/1 (in whatever order).
Probability that the orientation of the first is one of the three is 1.
Probability that the orientation of the second one is NOT the same as the first is 2/3
Probability that the orientation of the third one is NOT either of the first two is 1/3
Probability of the 4th is irrelevant, so it's 1.
So the probability of each of the permutations is 21.8%. Which isn't really super high individually.
Now, I know what you're thinking! "But Allan, we can take different permutations and escalate that number." And you're right. So the odds of a nebulous defined 2/1/1 is only really useful if we are procedurally creating randomized orientations (which we're not).
So if we were to imagine a Dragon Age 2 that is, say:
2 people are bisexual
1 person is homosexual
1 person is heterosexual
There's only a 21.8% chance of that particular grouping actually occurring. The problem is that people don't see this. They see it as being equivalent to:
1 person is bisexual.
2 people are homosexual
1 person is heterosexual
and
1/1/2
But they're not. In their mind their seeing the 65.3% and go "that's the way it should be based on probability." But you're not getting nebulous 2/1/1. You're getting a specific one, and with that comes a specific probability which is 21.8%. Suddenly that specific match up you're given, while still more likely, is hardly "definitive."
So 0/0/4 (which is appealing because it's seen as universally fair) is about 1%. We could have gone 2/2/0. lets look at that.
Odds that first person is not bisexual is 2/3
Odds that second person is not the same orientation as first and not bisexual: 1/3
Odds that third person is not bisexual: 2/3
Odds that fourth person is not the same orientation as 3rd and not bisexual: 1/3
This is about 4.8% for the specific grouping that you see to actually exist from 4 mandated characters that you know will exist and could be potentially 1 of 3 equally distributed distributions.
(This last one I may have effed up on.... I may have gotten some conditional probabilities wrong in my head, but for the most part it's 50% of 2/3s which is 1/3 and it makes sense at 1:15 AM....)
This is personally a disappointment. I understand that there were harsh critics to DA2's method, but I hoped to see it improved, not scrapped.
Oh well, they still haven't said how many are romanceable. Maybe there's like one straight person, 1 gay and everyone else is bisexual 
*sigh* I'd like to believe that, I really would. But one of the main draws of Bioware romances is that they're forged through battle and adventure and being at each others' sides through thick and thin. Garrus's romance is my favourite of any Bioware's done, precisely because he was a companion for all three Mass Effect games. It really felt like he was always watching out for you, and you for him. Taking away the companion aspect of the romance really kills a lot of what I find to be appealing about them.
I feel you, hon, I really do. Garrus is forever my space boyfriend.
Tough thing is that while they might--if they are going that route--guarantee some sort of equality in romances based on numbers, they really can't guarantee that you'll like the options you have. Sucks a bit, but le sigh. For me? As long as I get a choice, I'm happy. I might not love both of my choices, but I do want a choice within my Inquisitors sexuality. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and the dice will be in your favour! I'm hoping for you.
I didn't mind DA2's way about it, except when Anders was basically taking his clothes off talking to you.
I just need Sera to be available for straight dudes. Blond is my favourite colour.
Now, I know what you're thinking! "But Allan, we can take different permutations and escalate that number."
Yes, maybe I would be thinking that if I could do math. 
And on the other side, if Scribe Girl is the straight female LI, straight men get the short end of the stick too?
This is true, too. I think everyone should have the same amount of companion options. Part of me wants to say "but straight males traditionally have more options," but logically it isn't fair to deny them options either. The problem here is that I have my doubts Scribe Girl is a romance at all, whereas we've got three lovely lady companions who have all been speculated as romance. Again, if any of them are out it's probably Vivienne, but it would not surprise me at all if all three women were LIs.
Having gay/bisexual people get more options is not a bad thing, and I feel like a total ass for saying that they shouldn't be given extra content at the expense of content for the straight players, but there you have it. Everyone's amount of content should be equal. Same number of companion potential romances, same number of NPC potential romances. Giving one group "extra," regardless which group that is, doesn't make up for the past, it just provides fuel for people to rage in the future. The exception is the bisexual group, because they have pretty much all the options! (Except those who don't like their gender.)
It's late, and not sure if I am making sense anymore...
Wait now. If this means we can get CE Inq this'd be well worth it.
Don't get my hopes up, man.
I hope that the blonde elf girl isn't strictly homosexual because she looks to be the only pleasant-demeanored lady.
I find it disingenuous that people are trying to bring up other aspects of the game to justify not agreeing with bioware's decision. You can disagree with them in their reasoning or word choice, whichever was more at fault, in using the word "realistic" to talk about this issue. But don't pretend that realism is an all or nothing approach here, and that because you have some fantastical elements in the game, everything has to be fantastical, or vice versa. It's kinda insulting to anyone who stops to think for a moment what's being said here. It's like making the argument that there's water in the game, so why can't the whole game be set underwater, and then using the existence of water as a justification of having everything be covered in water.
I do understand, feelings are hurt and people probably think this is a betrayal of their personal trust, or hell maybe even a statement about their beliefs or lifestyles here. People say things that aren't exactly grounded in reason and logic when they are in that sort of state, it's why flame wars happen. But let's not sit here typing and pretend that because it's a fantasy game, some aspects can't be grounded in a little more realistic manners then other aspects of the game.
Don't get my hopes up, man.
Heh I got my own hopes up.
;_;
If FemQunari isn't voiced by little...this game man. I'll be so heartbroken. First the elves being *barf* Dalish now this...female Inq having a VA I don't like will be the last straw.
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