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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

But the travelling merchant/juggler or whatever has no rank in the Chantry at all. He's one step up from a peasant. So why would he be let in?

 

Because he can offer other services, and using the identities they've assumed to get in (both will get it if their stats pass the skill check, and if they fail, they won't be let in and will have to enter by force), there is the possibility to have mutually exclusive quest lines with relation to the location, or alter their interactions with the NPCs there, or interactions with your own party members. Or all the above. 

 

But there's no need to overanalyse an example. It's all that is. An example. I guess everything to you has to come from a point of discrimination, but for me, I simply want a player's choices to be accepted and recognised by the game in interesting and fun ways. And romance (or gender unique dialog/content) is simply one aspect of that.

 

Again, I refer to Arcanum, which had reactivity according to race, gender, beauty, intelligence, etc. I know you'd hate that, but that's my frame of reference when I talk about exclusive content and reactivity.

[javeart]

Double, sorry

[Mathias]

Romances are optional, though. But they do serve as a nice icing on the whole cake.

 

They definitely are. I'm hoping Cass is straight because she's awesome and totally my type. But if she's gay, then oh well. Can't win at everything.

[javeart]

I've seen many of those same people turn around and accuse Bioware of pandering to the "social justice warriors" when they expressed a desire to put more diversity in their games.

So I'm not in the least convinced that it's "artistic integrity" that is being protected here.

Oh, I know, that's what makes it reeaally fun

[Dream]

I think I'm ok with this. I have 0 interest in the character Cullen and I really only want to get a bi/gay romance with Iron Bull or the Grey Warden, but I highly doubt either will happen so I'm not expecting much anyway. DMHG would be good as well, I guess.

 

I have a feeling the scribe lady is going to be the only option for gay female Inquisitor's though lol.

[Ianamus]

Romantic relationships are part of the gameplay experience offered by Dragon Age, and are in no way inferior to killing and looting. Given that companion relationships are a major selling point in Bioware games, this is a priority whether you like it or not.

 

I'm a big fan of romance content, but I do draw the line here.

 

"We want equal options" is an understandable argument, but when it becomes "Every LI must be available to me!" It crosses the line into self-entitled whinging. 

[Rawgrim]

They definitely are. I'm hoping Cass is straight because she's awesome and totally my type. But if she's gay, then oh well. Can't win at everything.

 

I would have no problem if she flat out rejects me either, if she is into women and not men.

[WildOrchid]

 

I have a feeling the scribe lady is going to be the only option for gay female Inquisitor's though lol.

 

This is what worries me. Better have Viv as the gay option than a girl we hardly even know and is a NPC.

[Mathias]

I would have no problem if she flat out rejects me either, if she is into women and not men.

 

Out of all the ME3 romances I wanted to romance Traynor the most, but she was gay. So it wouldn't be anything new to me really.

[Rawgrim]

Out of all the ME3 romances I wanted to romance Traynor the most, but she was gay. So it wouldn't be anything new to me really.

 

I played a femshep, actually. And she stuck with Liara for the entire series. Never tried any of the other romances in the games.

[Mockingword]

I'm a big fan of romance content, but I do draw the line here.

 

"We want equal options" is an understandable argument, but when it becomes "Every LI must be available to me!" It crosses the line into self-entitled whinging. 

It's a good thing, then, that my party line is "Every LI must be available to everybody".

 

For my own part, I'm only actually interested in one of the characters we've been shown, and it wouldn't effect me in the least if all the female characters got cut tomorrow, because I don't intend to romance any of them ever. But I would still care, because games should be inclusive, especially games developed by a company that says things like "inclusivity is our mandate".

[Mockingword]

What a surprise, the straight men are perfectly fine with being rejected by Samantha.

 

How sensitive and enlightened they must be. Let us marvel at them. Again.

[Rawgrim]

I think everyone should have an equal amount of options, in romances. BUT not everyone should be available to everyone. Too simplistic.

[Lebanese Dude]

Ain't it fun though seing now so many people defending that BW's artístic integrity should not be compromised to make fans happier?

 

Oh the irony >.>

[daveliam]

This is what worries me. Better have Viv as the gay option than a girl we hardly even know and is a NPC.

 

Yeah, I'm concerned for the f/f option as well.  Cassandra could really be any sexuality as we know very little about her in that way.  I have a feeling that she is going to be available to men, given the little nod that Varric gives about her sounding like she has a crush on Male Hawke.  Now I know that it wasn't her  saying it, but I just get the impression that they were setting her up to be a male romance.  I'm not sure if that means that she'll be straight or biexual, though.  However, if they continue with their "all elf LI's are bisexual" trend and if they put in an NPC romance to balance out Cullen, then I would suspect:

 

Cassandra - straight

Sera - bisexual

Scribe Girl (NPC) - lesbian

 

This is not ideal for the f/f options, to be honest.  It would mean that not only is the "main LI" straight, but also that the f/f option is the NPC, who will not be able to join the Inquisitor out on her quests.  I hope that it doesn't turn out this way.

 

For the male LI's, I think it's looking at least a little better given that Cullen, who is pretty much the same as Cassandra regarding sexuality, is the NPC.  So if we make the same assumptions, we'd get:

 

Cullen - straight

Solas - bisexual

Dorian - gay

 

This would also be not as ideal for the female players because again the female option would be the NPC.  However, it would be better for gay male players given that we would finally for the first time in Bioware history get a gay male companion. 

[Ianamus]

What a surprise, the straight men are perfectly fine with being rejected by Samantha.

 

How sensitive and enlightened they must be. Let us marvel at them. Again.

 

The straight males who are advocating the LI's having a set sexuality come out with less options as well if it is the case.

 

Don't be so condescending. 

 

 

 

But I would still care, because games should be inclusive, especially games developed by a company that says things like "inclusivity is our mandate".

 

 

Including a wide variety of sexualities on the team is inclusive. Far more so than forcing any character who happens to be an LI to be bisexual. 

[metalfenix]

I think I'm ok with this. I have 0 interest in the character Cullen and I really only want to get a bi/gay romance with Iron Bull or the Grey Warden, but I highly doubt either will happen so I'm not expecting much anyway. DMHG would be good as well, I guess.

 

Yeah, I'm with you. Iron bull would be the perfect match for my male qunari mage...but I think it won't happen. I would settle down for the grey warden or the moustache guy...but I fear that we will be stuck with Solas. And yeah, I'll admit it, I'm elfphobic, I couldn't stand zevran on DAO, and Fenris on DA2.

 

Oh, and Cullen is a no-no for me. no templars as LI for any of my characters.

 

This is what worries me. Better have Viv as the gay option than a girl we hardly even know and is a NPC.

 

If Viv is bi or lesbian, I would consider a female human rogue inquisitor for my second playthrough. enough said.

[Lebanese Dude]

I'm a big fan of romance content, but I do draw the line here.

 

"We want equal options" is an understandable argument, but when it becomes "Every LI must be available to me!" It crosses the line into self-entitled whinging. 

 

It's also self-entitled to believe that the line you drew regarding sexual orientation depiction in games is one that people cannot cross and object to.

 

Some people see multiple LI availability to be a good thing. You don't. That's the end of it. Neither is right or wrong.

I'm a proponent of both playersexuality and even splitting. Both have their advantages and disadvantages and you'd be naive to think otherwise.

[WildOrchid]

What a surprise, the straight men are perfectly fine with being rejected by Samantha.

 

How sensitive and enlightened they must be. Let us marvel at them. Again.

 

Yes, it's hilarious when i see comments like this.
I wonder how they'd feel if not one but 3-4 women were rejecting them instead and ended up having only 1-2 options. There would be many tears, for sure.

[Lebanese Dude]

The straight males who are advocating the LI's having a set sexuality come out with less options as well if it is the case.

 

Don't be so condescending. 

 

The difference being that almost all games that offer romantic options offer straight ones while ignoring gay ones. The few games that do include gay options are limited, so from a vast sea of potential virtual love-making, you don't lose much by not being able to romance Samantha Traynor. Meanwhile, a dead Kaidan would mean that only Steve Cortez is a gay male option in one series from the one company that so liberally includes gay PCs in their RPGs.

 

So while he doesn't have to condescend about it, he's not wrong about his irritation. Frankly, I'm irritated that you equate the two as well.

Games have a long way to go before they achieve actual equality. Give me a game like Witcher where the PC is only gay and let's sit back and see if you won't mind it as well. Yea I thought so.

[Blackrising]

I'm a big fan of romance content, but I do draw the line here.

 

"We want equal options" is an understandable argument, but when it becomes "Every LI must be available to me!" It crosses the line into self-entitled whinging. 

 

It's a game. A game in which I am the main character. A game for which I pay a lot of money. Obviously I want to actually have fun playing it. And if that's what it takes, then so be it.
I believe consumers have every right to be self-entitled.

[Rawgrim]

Yes, it's hilarious when i see comments like this.
I wonder how they'd feel if not one but 3-4 women were rejecting them instead and ended up having only 1-2 options. There would be many tears, for sure.

 

In Kotor we only had 1 option for each gender. Nobody whined about it.

[Mockingword]

Including a wide variety of sexualities on the team is inclusive. Far more so than forcing any character who happens to be an LI to be bisexual. 

Lol. Forced?

 

Like... you think the writers made Fenris and Merrill have sex with same-sex Hawke's against their will or something?

[Dream]

Yeah, I'm with you. Iron bull would be the perfect match for my male qunari mage...but I think it won't happen. I would settle down for the grey warden or the moustache guy...but I fear that we will be stuck with Solas. And yeah, I'll admit it, I'm elfphobic, I couldn't stand zevran on DAO, and Fenris on DA2.

 

Oh, and Cullen is a no-no for me. no templars as LI for any of my characters.

 

 

If Viv is bi or lesbian, I would consider a female human rogue inquisitor for my second playthrough. enough said.

 

I think it won't be Solas, Solas and Viv will probably be unromanceable.

 

I'm starting to think it'll be Cole, who will be our woobie bi/gay li this go around. I'm not too thrilled by that prospect either lmao.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yes, it's hilarious when i see comments like this.
I wonder how they'd feel if not one but 3-4 women were rejecting them instead and ended up having only 1-2 options. There would be many tears, for sure.

Um, not really. You'd be suprised how often straight males can deal with rejection through the years. You get used to it.