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They're distancing themselves from DA2. It's understandable.
In DA:O, Morrigan had a friendship path for female wardens that was an alternative to the male-exclusive romance. Maybe there will be more of that now.
Varric's was the closet thing to this in his "Friendship" path.
It would be great to have one of the companions be seen as your best friend by the whole group. Another social element to pursue rather than just romance.
I think this is a good decision. Having every companion be coincidently bisexual was silly. Like Hawke was somehow magnet for the most sexually liberated companions in all of Thedas.
Now they can focus on romances tailored to each orientation. In DAII with most characters (bar Isabella of course) you never got the impression they were really bi anyway, just "playersexual."
Every companion wasn't bisexual. Carver wasn't bisexual, Bethany wasn't bisexual, Aveline wasn't bisexual, Sebastian wasn't bisexual, Varric wasn't bisexual.
I'm happy as long as I have Varric for my females PC 
(just joking...but not too much! 
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I only hope we don't get a remake of ME3 for ethero females, who end up potentially without a male LI. 
I'd like to make multiple female characters, but I'm not too much into F/F romances, so I'd like to have more than (for example) one male character to romance. or at least as many as a male PC have.
I can always play a male PC if I find a female LI I'd like, but if she's into girl, I prefer leave at that. I can't play a lesbian character. Don't know why. I have no problem with a gay male (I had a male elf mage who romanced Zevran in DAO, even if I never endend his story. I guess I'll finish it one day) but, for example, I alway had to corrupt Leliana with tons of gifts, since she endend up always hitting on my elven girls, and I have to refuse her advances, dropping friendship points. 
I have not misread you at all. Homosexual companions who are LI's are practically confirmed and you're arguing that they should be bisexual instead.
Okay, so I'm not misreading you when you say that you're totally cool with getting your own representation, but all the pansexuals and other people on the spectrum can just get shafted? The representation and inclusion for them, that was present only by virtue of DA2's ambiguity, now has to be taken away?
Because that's what is happening. It's not enough for you to have characters that like the same sex. By taking offense at the notion that you should share your "gay only" toys, you're saying that pansexuals and others should not be allowed to even headcanon that your precious LIs could also represent for them. Even though it would cost you nothing at all, because the same level of same-sex representation would still be present.
More, in fact, because LIs that were previously locked off to you would now be available.
Every companion wasn't bisexual. Carver wasn't bisexual, Bethany wasn't bisexual, Aveline wasn't bisexual, Sebastian wasn't bisexual, Varric wasn't bisexual.
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
Even in such a game like The Gaytcher, it's just one game out of the thousands out there. It's probably interesting for many who are not homosexual men to play such a game (and I'm happy we feel that way! don't get me wrong) cause it gives them insight into something they're not used to seeing. It's nice variety.
Thing is, not everyone have the luxury of considering non-straight romance as "nice variety."
I know. It's an unfortunate reality that we have to deal with in modern times.
Still, BioWare provides us with a framework from which to potentially build our own fantasies. I appreciate this.
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
Yeah, this ain't hentai.
Maybe I wasn`t clear. It "makes" me create a character I might not normally create. In order to experience content that would otherwise be unavailable to me. So if Varric is only available to Dwarfen females, for example. I would have to play as a dwarven female to romance him. Stuff like that. More of an observation\musing than an argument, though. For me, as a player, I feel it adds t the replay vallue and the fun of creating different characters.
I see, as a personal preference is completely understandable... In my experience though, it's a bad thing if the only reason you have to play a different characater is to access certain romance... I did twice with ME, once for Jack and another one for Miranda, and meh... the romances were nice but I didn't really enjoy it much... I'd rather not have to play as a male to see all the possible romances
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
...I kind of wish they were. Compared to constant angst of Anders, hysterics of Fenris, sexsexsex from Isabella and ooohdemonsarecute from Merrill...
Even your own siblings seem like better choices XD
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
So long as we're clear on that distinction.
And I don't think every LI being bisexual is any more or less silly than us stumbling into an equal representation of orientations.
Mr. Gaider has said that Cole won't be an LI, he's literally a man child, he may look adult but he has the emotional development of a 12 year old.
Now I want Cassandra to go all "Dont worry dear Cole, I'll protect you from those evil men!" And then hides him in her bossom
Aveline wasn't bisexual,
Doesn't she kiss Fem!Hawke if you sabotage her attempts to court what's-his-face and try to romance her? I seem to recall a heart emblem.
...I kind of wish they were. Compared to constant angst of Anders, hysterics of Fenris, sexsexsex from Isabella and ooohdemonsarecute from Merrill...
Even your own siblings seem like better choices XD
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
Oh God no. lol
In Kotor we only had 1 option for each gender. Nobody whined about it.
Look, here's the deal:
In Bioware games, there have been exactly 60 romances (not counting "flings") over 10 games. Here are the romance stats:
Straight male characters (female only romances): 20
Straight female characters (male only romances): 25
Bisexual male characters (male and female romances): 5
Bisexual female characters (male and female romances): 7
Gay male characters (male only romance): 1
Lesbian female characters (female only romance): 2 (I chose to include Juhani)
That means that out of 60 love interests:
* straight male players have had access to 32 out of 34 females (94% of romanceable females; 53% of all romanceable characters)
* straight female players have had access to 25 out of 26 males (96% of romanceable males; 42% of all romanceable characters)
* lesbian players have had access to 14 out of 34 females (41% of romanceable females; 23% of all romanceable characters)
* gay male players have had access to 6 out of 26 males (23% of romanceable males; 10% of all romanceable characters)
With these stats, it's not unsurprising that people are concerned about equitable distribution. It hasn't been equitable up until DA 2. It's also no surprise to me that straight male players are the ones most likely to say "deal with it", when they have access to 94% of all females and over half of all romanceable characters in total. Perhaps, those people who do get more options should recognize that and have some empathy for those of use who rarely get access to romance content.
I made a post here with a hypothetical warden. Do you believe DAO is a better game because this mage is barred access to content that would fit her greatly but has been put behind a gender check? I know that had that mage been my first warden, I would have been very disappointed upon learning that Morrigan was an option for male characters.
This is my biggest issue with not having playersexual LIs. Representation and inclusivity have their fair parts in there as well, however.
I don't think that gender gating content is bad as long as it is done equally and sparingly. While female Inquisitors will be locked out of one of the female romance options that is only available to men so too will male Inquisitors be locked out of a female romance that is female-only.
Equal choices > Character Agency > having more than two options (greedy!). That's my basic order of importance.
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Doesn't mean people have a right to put Bioware on Blast for what they do. The fact they do it at all sets them apart from other devs. And yet from what I get from this thread people won't be happy until all of the main characters are marching down the street with that one annoying song by Tomboy blasting in the back ground.
No to be at all snide, but instead of demanding for more more more, shouldn't people show some gratitude that the options exist at all and be glad that there is a game devs out there who realizes and acknowledges these peoples?
"Giving you romances is not the demand of the Qun, and you should all be grateful!”
Look, here's the deal:
In Bioware games, there have been exactly 60 romances (not counting "flings") over 10 games. Here are the romance stats:
Straight male characters (female only romances): 20
Straight female characters (male only romances): 25
Bisexual male characters (male and female romances): 5
Bisexual female characters (male and female romances): 7
Gay male characters (male only romance): 1
Lesbian female characters (female only romance): 2 (I chose to include Juhani)
That means that out of 60 love interests:
* straight male players have had access to 32 out of 34 females (94% of romanceable females; 53% of all romanceable characters)
* straight female players have had access to 25 out of 26 males (96% of romanceable males; 42% of all romanceable characters)
* lesbian players have had access to 14 out of 34 females (41% of romanceable females; 23% of all romanceable characters)
* gay male players have had access to 6 out of 26 males (23% of romanceable males; 10% of all romanceable characters)
With these stats, it's not unsurprising that people are concerned about equitable distribution. It hasn't been equitable up until DA 2. It's also no surprise to me that straight male players are the ones most likely to say "deal with it", when they have access to 94% of all females and over half of all romanceable characters in total. Perhaps, those people who do get more options should recognize that and have some empathy for those of use who rarely get access to romance content.
+Internet.
Doesn't she kiss Fem!Hawke if you sabotage her attempts to court what's-his-face and try to romance her? I seem to recall a heart emblem.
EDIT: Actually, I think she only does so when you don't flirt with her.
I see, if it's a personal preference though, is completel understandable... In my experience though, it's a bad thing if the only reason you have to play a different characater is to access certain romance... I did twice with ME, once for Jack and another one for Miranda, and meh... the romances were nice but I didn't really enjoy it much... I'd rather not have to play as a male to see all the possible romances
I just want to get the most story content and lore out of a game I really like. If that means I have to play a gay character in order to learn everything about Zevran, so be it. It is better than having everyone just happen to be available simply because I am the badass player character.
Doesn't she kiss Fem!Hawke if you sabotage her attempts to court what's-his-face and try to romance her? I seem to recall a heart emblem.
Oh BSN....don't ever change.
I don't know, It's been a while. I've seen dev's in this thread refer to her as straight so that's what I'm going with for now.
Every companion wasn't bisexual. Carver wasn't bisexual, Bethany wasn't bisexual, Aveline wasn't bisexual, Sebastian wasn't bisexual, Varric wasn't bisexual.
Sorry, I meant to say every LI companion. Sebastian's "chaste romance"...wasn't really a romance quite frankly.
And c'mon man two of those examples were your siblings. This isn't "A Song Of Ice And Fire" lol.
Every romance option was bisexual. I am glad Carver and Bethany wasn`t a romance option, though.
Sebastian
...in the entire game. Unless they specifically say "this is true for the romancable companions," then I will not assume that. Until they're explicitly, specifically, talking about the available romances, the only thing I take out of stuff like this is that there will be more diversity on the whole.Can you elaborate on 1 sexual orientation? Did Lee mean there will be varied orientations like gay/bi/hetero?@Mike_Laidlaw@BioMarkDarrah
Mark Darrah@BioMarkDarrah
@TheEdibleDragon @Mike_Laidlaw there are gay characters, bi characters, and hetro characters
I'm leaning towards less, to be honest.And I don't think every LI being bisexual is any more or less silly than us stumbling into an equal representation of orientations.
...I kind of wish they were. Compared to constant angst of Anders, hysterics of Fenris, sexsexsex from Isabella and ooohdemonsarecute from Merrill...
Even your own siblings seem like better choices XD
I actually liked Isabela. She talked alot of sex, but it seemed mostly tied to her humor. Arguably she had the most character development of the followers too. Merrill....felt like a fellony, when I tried to romance her.
Doesn't mean people have a right to put Bioware on Blast for what they do. The fact they do it at all sets them apart from other devs. And yet from what I get from this thread people won't be happy until all of the main characters are marching down the street with that one annoying song by Tomboy blasting in the back ground.
No to be at all snide, but instead of demanding for more more more, shouldn't people show some gratitude that the options exist at all and be glad that there is a game devs out there who realizes and acknowledges these peoples?
"Giving you romances is not the demand of the Qun, and you should all be grateful!”
No we don't HAVE to be grateful, because this is content that we are buying in order to play.
However, I appreciate BioWare offering equal opportunity romances for everyone.
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