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[rapscallioness]

If Cullen is straight, then the remaining two male LIs would presumably be bisexual and gay.  That means that the only options for a straight female Inquisitor would be a non-companion, or the sole bisexual male companion.  Vice versa is also true, if Cullen is bi and the other LI is straight... you still only really get one option if you want a companion to be your LI.  Scribe Girl notwithstanding, all three female companions might be romance options.

 

We may be surprised and there might be someone else added into the mix, or more than two total bisexual companions, but yes, as others have pointed out earlier in the thread, straight women will get the short end of the stick if one of our potential romances is not a companion--we will miss out on all of that extra content that goes along with the companion.  It'll be Mass Effect 3 all over again.

oh, god, plz don't be me3 all over again. plz don't be. plz don't be.

[Rawgrim]

Sorry, I meant to say every LI companion. And c'mon man two of those examples were your siblings. This isn't "A Song Of Ice And Fire" lol.

 

I had that book series fresh in mind when I made the comment

[Former_Fiend]

Sorry, I meant every LI companion. And c'mon man two of those examples were your siblings. This isn't A Song Of Ice And Fire lol.

 

...So? I wasn't implying that we should be able to romance them, I was implying that there's no strong indication that they're interested in both men and women. That could have been shown without any of it being directed at Hawke.

[Mihura]

I always thought that 6LI's in a 2/2/2 formation was the win/win because characters could be given a variety of sexualities while still giving everyone an equal number of options. 

 

It should be win/win, and I still don't see why it isn't. 

 

Yes that would be nice the problem is that there are 2 npcs that are LIs, so not it is never gonna to be equal to everyone. Unless the LIs are 8. 

[Rawgrim]

...So? I wasn't implying that we should be able to romance them, I was implying that there's no strong indication that they're interested in both men and women. That could have been shown without any of it being directed at Hawke.

 

I know you wern`t. I just made a GoT`ish joke. Sorry.

[Ianamus]

Okay, so I'm not misreading you when you say that you're totally cool with getting your own representation, but all the pansexuals and other people on the spectrum can just get shafted? The representation and inclusion for them, that was present only by virtue of DA2's ambiguity now has to be taken away?

 

Because that's what is happening. It's not enough for you to have characters that like the same sex. By taking offense at the notion that you should share your "gay only" toys, you're saying that pansexuals and others should not be allowed to even headcanon that your precious LIs could also represent for them. Even though it would cost you nothing at all, because the same level of same-sex representation would still be present.

 

What on Earth are you on about?

 

We have had straight companions, we have had bisexual companions, but we have had no homosexual companions. So I want to see one. You are over complicating this massively.

[Lebanese Dude]

...in the entire game. Unless they specifically say "this is true for the romancable companions," then I will not assume that. Until they're explicitly, specifically, talking about the available romances, the only thing I take out of stuff like this is that there will be more diversity on the whole.

I'm leaning towards less, to be honest.

 

Now you're just over-analyzing things.

 

It's fairly safe to assume that it's none of our Inquisitor's business what random people's sexual orientation is. 

 

Only those with adequate character development through plots or companion relationships will offer us insight into said orientations.

 

So, it was obvious that he was referring to both companions and relevant story NPCs.

[General TSAR]

War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of romance battles, fought by fanboys and haters......

[Ianamus]

Yes that would be nice the problem is that there are 2 npcs that are LIs, so not it is never gonna to be equal to everyone. Unless the LIs are 8. 

 

If the NPC's are bisexual it's equal. 

[Former_Fiend]

I know you wern`t. I just made a GoT`ish joke. Sorry.

 

Well that was directed at NUMI3ERs.

[TKavatar]

That's not an "alternative", the friendship path is the base content that everyone gets. The male-exclusive romance content was a special extra that Bioware added just for you. There's no equivalent for that.

No it isn't. The female friendship path is very different from the male friendship one. Or the romance pathway for that matter.

I had tears in my eyes when Morrigan broke down her defences and called my female Warden her sister. Props to Mr. Gaider for writing this incredible scene.

I want more stuff like this in DAI.

[Lebanese Dude]

No it isn't. The female friendship path is very different from the male friendship one. Or the romance pathway for that matter.

I had tears in my eyes when Morrigan broke down her defences and called my female Warden her sister. Props to Mr. Gaider for writing this incredible scene.

I want more stuff like this in DAI.

 

Given what we're told about friendships in DA:I, I don't think we'll be disappointed.

[Rawgrim]

No it isn't. The female friendship path is very different from the male friendship one. Or the romance pathway for that matter.

I had tears in my eyes when Morrigan broke down her defences and called my female Warden her sister. Props to Mr. Gaider for writing this incredible scene.

I want more stuff like this in DAI.

 

That Gaider is capable of such writing should put alot of people to ease about certain issues. The writing in Bioware games have pretty much allways been top of the line.

[javeart]

I just want to get the most story content and lore out of a game I really like. If that means I have to play a gay character in order to learn everything about Zevran, so be it. It is better than having everyone just happen to be available simply because I am the badass player character.

the "it's better" is the part where we disagree. Well, and the "having everyone" one, because you don't have everyone and nobody is asking for that. You always have an arbitrarily selection of characters available (with no consideration of your beauty, personality, race, etc), is it really a big deal if that selections includes two or three more people? Is it really what ends up throwing out the window all realism?

[Kidd]

Look, here's the deal:

Dayum, numbers! =D

I don't think that gender gating content is bad as long as it is done equally and sparingly. While female Inquisitors will be locked out of one of the female romance options that is only available to men so too will male Inquisitors be locked out of a female romance that is female-only. 
 
Equal choices > Character Agency > having more than two options (greedy!). That's my basic order of importance.

But making both Morrigan and Alistair available to all wardens would not lower "equal choices." Did you read my link? You didn't really answer the case of the hypothetical mage specifically. I can assume what you think from what you've said, and perhaps that was even your intention and I apologise if I didn't take notice, but I feel you didn't really answer my question.

I'd absolutely hate to be in that situation for my first playthrough, myself. I've been lucky so far (first playthrough romances have been Alistair, Liara and Anders), but the hypothetical situation could very well happen to me or any one in Inquisition. And I really don't like the thought of that.

[KaiserShep]

 

Doesn't she kiss Fem!Hawke if you sabotage her attempts to court what's-his-face and try to romance her? I seem to recall a heart emblem.

 

If you choose all of the heart options, she will. I have to admit I really like the way that plays out, though it's too bad it's simply not possible for any Hawke to win her affection. Samantha Traynor gets a quick no-thanks response during a chess match, but this one actually takes a while. I think my favorite line Hawke uses is "I'm charming myself into obsolescence."

 

[Mockingword]

Doesn't mean people have a right to put Bioware on Blast for what they do. The fact they do it at all sets them apart from other devs. And yet from what I get from this thread people won't be happy until all of the main characters are marching down the street with that one annoying song by Tomboy blasting in the back ground.

 

No to be at all snide, but instead of demanding for more more more, shouldn't people show some gratitude that the options exist at all and be glad that there is a game devs out there who realizes and acknowledges these peoples?

 

"Giving you romances is not the demand of the Qun, and you should all be grateful!”

Handing my money over to Bioware isn't a demand of the Qun either. Funny how that works.

 

No, I'm not going to be glad that one developer exhibits basic human decency. That's the least I expect of anybody. They should have been doing it since they were founded, all the development companies should have.

 

Instead of circlejerking about "how far we've come", we, as a species, should be ashamed about how long it's taken us just to get to this point, and about how much further we have to go before we reach anything even close to an equitable situation.

[Secretlyapotato]

I read this as "They're straight/gay but you're Inquisitor is super sexy enough to make them change teams."

[Mihura]

If the NPC's are bisexual it's equal. 

 

Sure if they are bi that would make it more balanced but I still dislike that. Why npcs romance? I really do not get it.

[Former_Fiend]

Ultimately here's my perspective on the situation;

 

I'm a straight, male gamer. I'm going to play as a male inquisitor and I'm going to romance a female companion.

 

If that female companion is also romancable by a lesbian gamer playing a female inquisitor, I don't lose anything. It doesn't take anything away from me, it doesn't ham my experience in any way. Having that companion exclusive to me as a straight male gamer doesn't enhance my experience in any way.

 

So with that in mind, I see no reason to deny the other gamer the option to experience that romance in the way they would prefer.

 

That's just how I look at it.

[The Hierophant]

@Secretlyapotato, if this turns out to be true then the reactions on this forum will be priceless. I got my popcorn at the ready.

[General TSAR]

Handing my money over to Bioware isn't a demand of the Qun either. Funny how that works.

 

No, I'm not going to be glad that one developer exhibits basic human decency. That's the least I expect of anybody. They should have been doing it since they were founded, all the development companies should have.

 

Instead of circlejerking about "how far we've come", we, as a species, should be ashamed about how long it's taken us just to get to this point, and about how much further we have to go before we reach anything even close to an equitable situation.

I'm all for criticism of developers but this post is so over-the-top and melodramatic.

 

@Secretlyapotato, if this turns out to be true then the reactions on this forum will be priceless. I got my popcorn at the ready.

You and me both brudda. 

[Rawgrim]

the "it's better" is the part where we disagree. Well, and the "having everyone", because you don't have everyone and nobody is asking for that. You always have an arbitrarily selecction of characters available (with no consideration of your beauty, character, race, etc), is it really a big deal if that selections includes two or three more people? Is it really what ends up throwing out the window all realism?

 

I think...in DA2, wich spans over 10 years, having every possible love interest (that you can complete) being all bisexual stretched the belivability of the story. Odds of that happening were rather high. I don`t find it unrealistic that there were bisexuals around or anything like that, of course. I just felt the execution of it felt very simplified, and that short cuts had been made. It gave me the same feeling I got when I saw the same cave for the 10th time.

 

From a writing point of view, I didn`t feel it was that good when every love interest were into you, no matter what. NPCs should be their own people. Non player characters, and all that. And I felt me creating a female character "made Isabela be into women" in that playthrough, was at odds with my personal view of belivability. This is all subjective, by all means. Not saying either of us is wrong or right.

 

DA:I seems to include everyone equally now, and no "short cuts" are being taken. This is what I was hoping for (personally). Everyone included equally, and all that.

 

Cheers.