In the new Batman: Arkham Origins DLC, "Cold, Cold Heart," when you take out most of the enemies in some room, and only a couple of enemies are left, one of the goons says something like, "This is terrible." And then he says--wait for it--"We fight, or we die!"
That was cold, indeed. And from Warner Bros. Games Montreal, no less. Will Bioware Montreal return fire?
It's absolutely in the B:AO DLC. My ears did not deceive me.
That I don't doubt, but that it's supposed to be a BW diss I do doubt, very much.
My impression is that the line isn't really "signature" enough to be a proper jab at Mass Effect, but if you google the phrase, the entire first page is nothing but Mass Effect 3. heh...
That I don't doubt, but that it's supposed to be a BW diss I do doubt, very much.
It's not a BW diss, per se. It's kind of a ME3 diss on that line everyone likes to make fun of ("We fight, or we die!"). Having a scared goon say that was pretty funny.
Would've be funny if the goon say's "I should go"
I'd be OK with ME3 being the buttmonkey of better games on account of its flaws. But I'm not sure if this is an example of that.
I'd be OK with ME3 being the buttmonkey of better games on account of its flaws. But I'm not sure if this is an example of that.
It's a bit too general, but it's also something that is Mass Effect as well. I think it was designed as humor without the intent to actually diss Mass Effect.
I thought only us BSNers found the line cringe worthy?
Yes, I concede to a few of you. You're so right. "We fight, or we die" is a very, very common expression. It's in no way exclusive to ME3 or any known memes, as it has appeared across so many different forms of media entertainment, from TV shows such as American Idol and My Little Pony to films such as The Hunger Games and What About Bob? I even heard it the other day when a little old grandma boarded the bus, found out she was short a dime, and decided that she wasn't going to take it anymore. There's no possible way that "We fight, or we die" was any sort of reference to Mass Effect 3's face-palm of a line. It's simply too common in every day discourse, and I'm sorry that I dared to suggest that Warner Bros. Games Montreal would've deigned to make fun of, or diss, that clunker of a line in their Arkham video game. Mea maxima culpa, oh standard bearers of pop culture allusions, oh ye who are too wise and chaste for humor.
Yes, I concede to a few of you. You're so right. "We fight, or we die" is a very, very common expression. It's in no way exclusive to ME3 or any known memes, as it has appeared across so many different forms of media entertainment, from TV shows such as American Idol and My Little Pony to films such as The Hunger Games and What About Bob? I even heard it the other day when a little old grandma boarded the bus, found out she was short a dime, and decided that she wasn't going to take it anymore. There's no possible way that "We fight, or we die" was any sort of reference to Mass Effect 3's face-palm of a line. It's simply too common in every day discourse, and I'm sorry that I dared to suggest that Warner Bros. Games Montreal would've deigned to make fun of, or diss, that clunker of a line in their Arkham video game. Mea maxima culpa, oh standard bearers of pop culture allusions, oh ye who are too wise and chaste for humor.
Oh wow. Let the butthurt flow through you.
we cares companies take shots at each other all the time.sony vs Microsoft, it was probably a joke its not like me3 invented that line its been in movies before. bioware probably doesn't even know this dlc come out heck i didn't notice till now.
Oh wow. Let the butthurt flow through you.
It flows through me and lands on your face.
It could well be a reference, but it seems too obscure to be an intended mockery.
Unless that's something one of the writers just snuck in and he was one of the die-hard ME fans that were sorely disappointed. I might do something like that if I was working on a game. But one bad line in something a good percentage of gamers might never see... seems like a poor way to do it.
If I was writing in a jab to Mass Effect I'd make it so a main story quest is solved only when a little kid tells you to push a red, blue or green button and all of them do the same thing. Bullshit nonsensical exposition optional.
It could well be a reference, but it seems too obscure to be an intended mockery.
This. It's not targeted enough to be easily understood as an attack on Bioware or ME3 itself.
But a humorous reference snuck into the script? Maybe.
@CrutchCricket and @Swobyj -- You two are reasonable; however, I suppose at this point I should emphasize that I was referring to a diss of a particular line of dialogue from ME3, if I didn't already make that clear one or two times already. Perhaps "diss" has too negative a connotation? Making fun of "we fight, or we die" doesn't mean that it was a total diss of Bioware or ME3, I agree. I used "diss" because it was a short word that fit into a title dominated by another game's name and because it was a funny (and humorous) thing for another game to do. It may even be more humorous than critical, yes. But I'd say that it did use the ME3 line in a slightly critical way by recalling it via a stupid, scared goon, while Shepard, who many of us admire, said it at a critical juncture.
Long story short, the Batman line seemed to poke fun at the ME3 line. I've never heard "we fight, or we die" anywhere else except for ME3, and nobody else has specifically cited anywhere else, either. Like KaiserShep wrote, just Google it and see what results you get--they're for ME3.
So I guess some of us will have to agree to disagree. I'm absolutely certain that it was ME3 that was referenced with that specific line, and you can feel free to disagree for whatever reason(s) you can possibly have. But I heard it, and so I reported it. End of story.
Being critical in humor isn't the same is attacking. That's pretty much all I was saying.
@CrutchCricket and @Swobyj -- You two are reasonable; however, I suppose at this point I should emphasize that I was referring to a diss of a particular line of dialogue from ME3, if I didn't already make that clear one or two times already. Perhaps "diss" has too negative a connotation? Making fun of "we fight, or we die" doesn't mean that it was a total diss of Bioware or ME3, I agree. I used "diss" because it was a short word that fit into a title dominated by another game's name and because it was a funny (and humorous) thing for another game to do. It may even be more humorous than critical, yes. But I'd say that it did use the ME3 line in a slightly critical way by recalling it via a stupid, scared goon, while Shepard, who many of us admire, said it at a critical juncture.
Long story short, the Batman line seemed to poke fun at the ME3 line. I've never heard "we fight, or we die" anywhere else except for ME3, and nobody else has specifically cited anywhere else, either. Like KaiserShep wrote, just Google it and see what results you get--they're for ME3.
So I guess some of us will have to agree to disagree. I'm absolutely certain that it was ME3 that was referenced with that specific line, and you can feel free to disagree for whatever reason(s) you can possibly have. But I heard it, and so I reported it. End of story.
To that I would have to ask, why make fun of a single line? Granted it's dumb but dumb things are said every day, often a lot more than smart things. Why jab a single line if you ignore or don't mean to confront the larger work behind it?
To a certain extent I would say you need to address where it came from. Because the real stupidity of that line isn't in the words themselves, it's in the context. The phrase "we fight or we die" is not inherently idiotic. The idea behind it is meant to be applied in situations where you have no alternative but confrontation. If you're cornered in a dark alley and a killer's advancing on you, you have no way out and no one's coming to help, what do you do? You can try and fight and maybe you survive. Or you do nothing and die. Literally, "fight or die".
It's moronic in the context of Mass Effect because the committee was asking Shepard, a capable military leader who's fought the Reapers and knows more of their strengths and capabilities than anyone for help and all he can say is "this isn't about strategy or tactics". Even here I could see the reasoning behind the reply as it was meant to emphasise the dire nature of the situation and the fact that no one's going to be able to play it cool in an air-conditioned war room treating this conflict as an abstract, almost RTS game. It plays to our perception that the leaders would do that because they've ignored and denied the Reapers up to this point. That's what the reply was meant to convey- you can't ignore this anymore or treat it like any other training excercise. It failed because it was more concerned with addressing this meta-concept than it was with actually answering the question in a smart and rational way, the way any real military commander would answer his superiors.
Point is without that context "we fight or we die" isn't stupid it's just meaningless. I don't know the full context it was said in the Batman game though it would seem stupid if the goons were going up against Batman since Batman doesn't kill. If it was said for pointless drama, then you might have a point because ultimately I think that's why it was said in ME3 as well since the writers have rarely shown the forethought needed for my above explanation to be true. But still I feel it's too narrow a focus to be a real jab against Bioware. If they had used more from that scene like "this isn't about strategy or tactics", then it'd be a lot clearer.
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