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Alright. So what proof do you have that she isn't straight?
I'm not trying to prove that she isn't straight. But my point still stands that just because she hasn't previously indicated an interest in women, that doesn't preclude her from developing an interest. It isn't retconning anything if Morrigan turned out to be bi. There are plenty of people IRL who have never shown an interest in the same gender, until suddenly they do. Sometimes all it takes is meeting the right person.
It's like at school when your friends are like "oh so you're gay/bi? Does that mean you are attracted to me?" . We don't throw ourselves at every available person of the same gender, sometimes we just aren't interested just like straight people sometimes aren't.
So how would you feel if Alistair and Morrigan suddenly started showing interest in the same sex?
Was there ever a solid statement that Cullen was into the opposite sex only?
Was there ever a solid statement that Cullen was into the opposite sex only?
For that matter, was there ever such a statement made about Alistair or Morrigan?
For that matter, was there ever such a statement made about Alistair or Morrigan?
Well, Alistair and Morrigan both turn down the advances of the same sex Warden IIRC. Regarding Cullen, there wasn't really any solid confirmation, other than he only ever openly states that he fancied a female warden, and makes no such mention regarding a male warden.
Why make a separate thread, when there is a Cullen thread on the top of the page?
because this is the anti cullen thread
Wow. You've made a lot of assumptions. For one, Cullen hasn't been confirmed as a companion yet. His orientation is not clearly established either. I'm not saying he isn't straight but neither is it obvious to me that he is, so I find the idea of him being Bi more than possible. It was done with Anders, was it not?
As for the fanservice crack... Quite frankly, I don't want to be pandered to or "serviced" in any way. I'd rather have Cullen as a full companion with a decent story or an NPC with a decent story and would gladly accept his not being a romance in order to achieve that. I worry that doing things this way will make it difficult to find that balance between writing him well and writing a romance too. Though I will reserve judgment until I play it. I find it odd that you have singled Cullen out so strongly. Good on you for even mentioning the other returning characters... but Cullen is clearly your focus and I wonder why... I could bemoan Morrigan's or Lelianna's appearance but alas... 
And they already were companions. Now they are NPCs. So they've gone backwards of Cullen. Oh wait. No, Cullen hasn't been confirmed as a companion... They do appear to have relevance to the story but I guess I should ignore that in favor of insisting they're fanservice...
And who is anyone to decide what the majority makeup of fans truly is? As far as I can tell, Bioware fans are comprised of many vocal minorities. The "majority of fans" aren't being slighted "just to please a vocal minority" - that would be stupid on Bioware's part. They would need a much better reason if they were going to risk the backlash of the "majority". How arrogant to think you know why Bioware included him.
Last but not least... I'm no dev but I suspect that Varric not being romanceable (if that is the case still) is more a technical issue. Or maybe they just want to keep his best bro vibe intact. I get that you're disappointed but I also think a lot of your disappointment could be relieved if you stuck to facts and waited for confirmation of anything else.
I don´t care if he is a romance, as long as he doesn´t fill up one of the companionslots. I am happy the fangirls can romance him, and I can stay away from him.
Its a decent deal I´d say. Give the girls some love, while not filling up important companionspace. There is already way to many returning characters as it is.
I feel the same way towards Varric and Cassandra. Couldn't care less about them.
Some of us wanted a proper templar companion and we still ain't getting one, after 3 games.
I couldn't care less about Cullen romance, I wanted him to be my bro.
Cullen being bisexual does not mean that everyone in the world is bisexual.
Only everyone that matters. Almost he same thing.
Son, I am disappoint.
I was hoping that BioWare would not make Cullen a companion, let alone an LI. Another heartthrob blond male templar romance. And once again, they are retconning a previously established character's sexual preference. *sigh* I really hope the way a male Inquisitor can romance Cullen is one that acknowledges the fact that he clearly prefers women over men, and his falling for the Inquisitor makes sense. My doubts are high, though.
It seems to me that BioWare won't be making Varric a romance like I was hoping. I never wanted to romance him, but it shows that BioWare is not willing to try branch out. They never liked the idea of romancing a dwarf, gnome, halfling, orc, etc. in the first place. I only hope that that fact doesn't extend to qunari.
BioWare, I know you like bringing old characters back, but bringing at least 3 pre-existing characters back as companions? I think you've gone a bit crazy. OK, very crazy.
I'm sorry, but this clearly screams "fan service." BioWare says that Cullen fans are a vocal minority - and those opposed are a vocal minority too - but not only are they catering to a small group, but they're going the whole 9 yards, while ignoring a big group. I wouldn't have minded Cullen being a companion, because as Cullen fans have said, he could easily have a role to play, but making him a romance, too, when you know many more people wanted to romance Varric, and were disappointed when they found out he wasn't in DA2? That's just wrong.
I won't be romancing Cullen unless either one or more of my Inquisitors make sense with him, or I give in, like with Anders. However, I will always refuse (not childishly, but with a modicum of sense) to romance him as a male.
I don't hate Cullen, I mean, I love Morrigan, but I've never, ever finished her romance. I don't hate Anders in DA2, either. I love him in 2, though not as much as I did in Awakening.
You're imagining a lot of things, darling. And nobody, I repeat, nobody is forcing you to pursue romances. Why anti-romance brigade is so deadly dull with the same "arguments" again and again.
well, according to the new stuff released... the peace summit is for templars v mages war... and since everyone dies... would it not make sense to have someone like cullen there since he was a prime witness to the kirkwall incident? i guess not... oh well there goes my hope for killing him off in the first minute of the game
Alright. So what proof do you have that she isn't straight?
What proof do you have that Cullen isn't bisexual? Note: proof =/= he once expressed interest in a woman, given that bisexual men do that......
More Cullen complaining then is it? Just let the Cullen fans be happy and get over it now please.
I thought that was just meant to be a hypothetical scenario that explains how someone can still be bisexual whilst not being interested/ showing interest in one particular person of the same gender.
I don't think anyone is actually saying Morrigan is Bi, just that she could be as could any character.
Exactly. Unless a character says, "I'm not into gals/guys.", then they could be bisexual. I don't know why people find this to be a difficult concept.
Was there ever a solid statement that Cullen was into the opposite sex only?
No. Cullen actually turns down a female warden too. That's the thing that I find so amusing about this "evidence". He stammers and clearly is uncomfortable around her and the implication that he fancies her. However, when push comes to shove, he doesn't even act on it. It's not an Iona/Darrien type fling where anything even happens. It's simple awkward flirting and that's about it.
Only everyone that matters. Almost he same thing.
Oh please. So, as of right now, we have had 6 bisexual companions out of 17 companions (not counting Dog or Shayle). That's about 35% of the companions only. That's hardly "everyone that matters". If we factor in NPCs, the number goes even lower. This chicken little, "Everyone is gay or bi now!!!", stuff is getting ridiculous.
well, according to the new stuff released... the peace summit is for templars v mages war... and since everyone dies... would it not make sense to have someone like cullen there since he was a prime witness to the kirkwall incident? i guess not... oh well there goes my hope for killing him off in the first minute of the game
Yawn.
What proof do you have that Cullen isn't bisexual? Note: proof =/= he once expressed interest in a woman, given that bisexual men do that......
I was talking about Morrigan, not Cullen.
But if you want an answer, well he never displayed any attraction towards the male mage warden. If the devs intended him to be bi from the very beginning, then he would have crushed on both sexes.
This argument seems very pedantic.
I assume the devs wanted him to have a crush on the female Warden, I have no idea if they had considered the true nature of a fairly minor characters sexuality.
I don't really care what sexuality he is but for all we know he could be a gay man "yes gay men can flirt and have crushes on women too" 
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Even if he was written as a straight character so what? Gay/bi people sometimes think they are straight, sometimes for most of their life.
This argument seems very pedantic.
I assume the devs wanted him to have a crush on the female Warden, I have no idea if they had considered the true nature of a fairly minor characters sexuality.
I don't really care what sexuality he is but for all we know he could be a gay man "yes gay men can flirt and have crushes on women too"
Even if he was written as a straight character so what? Gay/bi people sometimes think they are straight, sometimes for most of their life.
If he was written as a straight character in DAO and if now he's suddenly into men as well in DAI, well that's a retcon. And I don't like retcons. I have no problem if he was bi from the very beginning.
No, a retcon is the alteration of previously established facts and his sexuality was never established. Nothing is altered, They aren't going to pretend the warden flirtation never happened, even if he does turn out to be bi or something.
As I said, you are being pedantic and I don't really understand why.
As long as he doesn't try to ninja romance me(assuming BioWare caved harder) for being his brosif then he's cool as vertebrate for me.
No, a retcon is the alteration of previously established facts and his sexuality was never established. Nothing is altered, They aren't going to pretend the warden flirtation never happened, even if he does turn out to be bi or something.
As I said, you are being pedantic and I don't really understand why.
But they will have to explain why he never crushed on the male warden if he's bi all of a sudden in Inquisition when he was written as a straight character in Origins.
But they will have to explain why he never crushed on the male warden if he's bi all of a sudden in Inquisition when he was written as a straight character in Origins.
That doesn't make sense.
Do you make people explain why they aren't attracted to you?
But they will have to explain why he never crushed on the male warden if he's bi all of a sudden in Inquisition when he was written as a straight character in Origins.
Have you not been reading the many responses that have been left for you in this thread? They don't need to explain it, anyway maybe he is the one struggling to come to terms with his sexuality that was hinted at some time ago?
Well, we sort of have the benefit of playing a multitude different characters of different genders, that exist within their own story, as in, the actions of one Hawke doesn't affect the other in terms of the game. Basically, since I'm starting to confuse myself, if you play a M!Hawke, what evidence is there that Merril is bisexual, you can only do that with a Fem!Hawke (then one has to question if there is any evidence of her liking men then), likewise, if you do not proceed with a romance plot, how will you possibly learn through gameplay?
I recall one of the writers saying they would like to do a system similar to Mass Effect, which has many characters of varying sexualities, if they had the resources (though they said this before the game was given more time for development, if I recall), but for the time being, isn't this a good compromise for limited options?
If he was written as a straight character in DAO and if now he's suddenly into men as well in DAI, well that's a retcon. And I don't like retcons. I have no problem if he was bi from the very beginning though.
Your argument is full of "ifs". If this and if that. The bottom line is that we don't know if Cullen was straight in DA: O. You assume he is based on very weak, minimal evidence that happens in one out of 12 origin stories (male/female, 6 race/class combos). That's not compelling. However, if you want to treat such weak evidence as something worth merit, go for it. Don't be surprised when people poke holes in your theory, though.
Well, we sort of have the benefit of playing a multitude different characters of different genders, that exist within their own story, as in, the actions of one Hawke doesn't affect the other in terms of the game. Basically, since I'm starting to confuse myself, if you play a M!Hawke, what evidence is there that Merril is bisexual, you can only do that with a Fem!Hawke (then one has to question if there is any evidence of her liking men then), likewise, if you do not proceed with a romance plot, how will you possibly learn through gameplay?
I recall one of the writers saying they would like to do a system similar to Mass Effect, which has many characters of varying sexualities, if they had the resources (though they said this before the game was given more time for development, if I recall), but for the time being, isn't this a good compromise for limited options?
Merrill at the least is attracted to Qunari, she made a comment about her liking their shirtlessness in my last playthrough as a Fem Hawke mage.
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Agree 100%, Cullen is like the worst character ever.
I can't wait to kill him 
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