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Actually, ninjamancing has been a term used since before DA. It was used in response to the romances in the original ME game, which predates DA.
Yep.
People used it wrong but ninjamance is when you're actually suddenly in the romance and you have no idea wtf happened. Someone hitting on you unexpectedly isn't a ninjamance. Someone acting like the two of you are together is a ninjamance. (Thus Leliana's jealousy dialogue and the nights we spent under the stars is a ninjamance).
I recall people saying that they thought Zevran was offering them a harmless massage and then OMG WE'RE HAVING SEX?!
That was stupidity. He makes it pretty obvious what accepting the massage entails and even goes "and if the chance to go beyond the massage presents itself...?"
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All I know is I need to be able to tell Vivi her shoes are legit without her trying to take my bra off, okay?
All I know is I need to be able to tell Vivi her shoes are legit without her trying to take my bra off, okay?
She probably feels the same way.
I have never been ninjamanced, all the flirt options seem really obvious to me. There was one playthrough where Leliana was bugged and decided I was cheating on her with Alistair even though I never even talked to her before that.
Same, I'm really confused about how many people claim to have accidentally romanced Zevran when everything about his dialogue options were so obvious.
I never had a bug like that with Leliana but I had something similar occur in the first Mass Effect with Liara. Kind of set me off on the wrong foot with her for the rest of the franchise.
I was almost ninjamanced by Anders with my first Hawke (male, Force Mage, Spirit Healer). Good thing I examined all the dialogue options and realized that there was only one that allowed me to get out of it. Oddly enough, this was during the second Questioning Beliefs quest for him. The first one I got in Act II. Guess he decided to move fast? 
Whether or not certain events can be classed as Ninjamances or not, that is how they are referred to here so that is why I included them.
I'm not trying to create arguments again and I hate it when people make such a big deal about stuff like the Anders thing.
Given that ninjamance is a term created by the Dragon Age fandom, and I've been using it to refer to situations like this since the term was created, I'm going to say that this has always been what ninjamancing meant. You just weren't aware that people were using it to mean different things.
Anders is suddenly being romantic. He actually is responding to a specific line of dialogue you're using (he won't *always* hit on you) but you weren't aware that you were raising his interest. This is no different than Alistar suddenly giving you a flower or Leliana suddenly getting angry because you're cheating on her.
The player often perceives themselves as 'just being nice' in an unromantic way and the companion reacts to signals the player didn't realize they were giving.
I sort of see this, but if this is truly a ninjamance then characters can never make the first move on the player character with out it being considered a ninjamance. It's smart writing/programing to make the first move type character to not make the first move if previously the pc has chosen dialogue that would be considered rude/hurtful to that character. It would seem pretty strange to have such a character say "please love me," if your interactions before were "I hate you and all you stand for,". Thus you need some dialogue triggers. In DA2 it is pretty clear when the romance/flirting with Anders would begin (heart icons/quests), it's just not clear that you've impressed him enough with your dialogue he will hit on you first (but you can still be the first one) after meeting him and trying to rescue Karl. I'd rather have the potential for characters to make the first move, as that can be interesting, rather than have such characters labeled ninjamancers. There is a clear distinction between a trigger causing a character making the first move (desiring to start a relationship), and to suddenly have a character offering gifts/getting jealous (being in a secret relationship).
Don't know...But I don't really mind ninjamances...As long as there's an option to turn them down gently, without loosing a ton of approval points.
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The only one i can recall that happening me to was Steve in ME3.
No, just no.
You have to explicitly tell him that you like cawk and "I'm eye candy too" for him to make a move, that's not accidental.
You could never accidentally romance Zevran because he asks the question quite explicitly not long after you recruit him whether or not you are interested in that sort of relationship. If you are already hooked on another character, then you simply say "no" and he accepts it. I did this with my female mage in love with Alistair and Zevran was thereafter a really good friend without any of the innuendo you get if you don't set him straight at the beginning. He even helpfully gave Alistair some advice on how to improve his performance. My girl was touched at his concern (well I was grinning). On the other hand, if you leave it open as a possibility, then he will suddenly offer you a massage.
I actually managed to get a state with Lelianna where I chose her in preference over Morrigan but then swapped to Zevran - my noble Warden was working through the sex manual he'd read at the beginning of the game. Somehow, I think because she'd been hardened, when I told her I was opting for him she didn't take it that badly and I still seemed to get conversations that suggested she was still interested if I changed my mind. I had to be a bit careful which dialogue options I chose to avoid another confrontation but I must say, if it was a bug, that was one occasion when it didn't seem odd - I just couldn't blame the girl for trying, my noble Warden was seriously sexy. So far as I could tell, at the end of the game I was married to Anora, had Zevran as my lover and Lelianna hovering hopefully in the wings.
You would think that DA2 was better because of the heart icon but actually I found it made it worse. The first icon always appeared almost immediately after you recruit the person and because none of the romances had progressed much by then, I tended to feel obliged to click on it because I couldn't be sure if I failed to do so, whether that would prevent me ever being able to start it up later. I always felt it most inappropriate that immediately after Fenris telling me his former master wanted to flay him alive, I was being asked to hit on him. Ditto talking to Anders after he was grieving for his friend (or as you may discover if you are male, lover) and telling you about Justice. Initially I didn't bother with the heart icon with my female Hawke but next time through I clicked it to compliment her on her eyes in Act 1 and then thought nothing of it until Act 3 when she suddenly turned up on my doorstep apparently thinking we were in a relationship. Boy that was weird, particularly as by then my male Hawke had realised he was gay and had just reconciled with Fenris, so you'd think that would have shut off the romance flags with anyone else. Apparently it was very difficult to keep in a relationship with Fenris (you particularly had to watch what you did with Isabella) but very easy to get out of it.
In ME3 I had a very strange time with Kaiden. All I did was visit him in hospital and give him a bottle of booze, like any good friend might do, and then later in the game he says he has feelings for my male Shepard, who was currently dating Tali. Cue awkward conversation putting him in the picture because I really felt bad about giving him the wrong impression even though I was blissfully unaware I had done so.
So if all these are examples of Nijamances, then I could really do without them. I hope we go back to having optional romance dialogue that you can click on at any time in the game if you wish to do so or the companion initiating a dialogue asking if you are interested but after you have got to know them a bit first (like with Morrigan and her "I'm cold"). Even giving you a flower, so you realise they are interested but can let them down gently. Not click on heart icon when you've only just met.
So if all these are examples of Nijamances, then I could really do without them. I hope we go back to having optional romance dialogue that you can click on at any time in the game if you wish to do so or the companion initiating a dialogue asking if you are interested but after you have got to know them a bit first (like with Morrigan and her "I'm cold"). Even giving you a flower, so you realise they are interested but can let them down gently. Not click on heart icon when you've only just met.
Yeah, I know how you feel. The romances in DA2 always felt so shallow when compared to those in DA:O and in ME. I mean, all you're doing is flirting with them and soon enough, they are saying they love you and stuff like that (well, not Isabela, but you get what I mean). Hell, like I said earlier: I was almost ninjamanced by Anders.
I don't like the idea of ninjamances. I mean, you be nice to someone and soon enough, they think they're in a relationship with you because they took your kindness the wrong way, thinking that you were interested in them. If anyone in DA:O fits this, it's Leliana. I romanced her in my first playthrough and it was so easy that I was scared of accidentally romancing her so I hardly ever talked to her. I wouldn't classify Alistair as a ninjamance, because he makes it perfectly clear that he's interested well before the romance flag is officially set, giving you plenty of time to bring him down gently. Leliana is more like... "Woah, woah, woah! I'm not romancing you. What the hell were you thinking?" 
Can't say I have ever been ninjamanced. Bioware's recent titles make it pretty much impossible for this to occur but I also found in the older games the romance dialogue choices were pretty obvious.
I've only been ninjamanced once and I'm convinced that it was a glitch with the game. I was friendly with Anders and he showed up at my house in act 2 talking about our relationship. Turned him down and then it cut to after the romance scene and I was locked into a relationship with him. I have NO idea how it happened and it was...kinda amusing. Like, really amusing.
I don't know who the ninjamance will be this time but I look forward to finding out.
No, just no.
You have to explicitly tell him that you like cawk and "I'm eye candy too" for him to make a move, that's not accidental.
Steve is probably the most well guarded against Ninjamances character there is. The only way to ninjamance him is to skip over the entire conversation by pressing spacebar over and over.
You all love to complain about the ninjamances but deep down I think you live for them really. Obviously there will be one in Inquisition, how could there not be?
What with the return of Origins ninjamance Leliana and a story set during a war caused by DA2's incredibly popular ninjamance Anders, it almost seems like fate. I think Inquisition ninjamance will be the best one yet, but who will it be?
Only 2 Romances have been revealed so far so in my view that makes everyone a suspect. So who will be the Inquisitors ninjamance and how will it match up to the last two?
Well Leliana isn't going to be a LI for the Inquisitor. Also Anders? "Ninjamance?" with a system clearly giving a heart symbol for when you are flirting with someone? Not a very good "ninjamance" about the only thing is he comes on strong with the player.
The only time I got ninjamanced is in ME1 with Liara, only talked to her cause I was intrested as a friend to her. Was going for Ash but aparently I hit a glitch cause I ran out of things to say to Ash.
Well Leliana isn't going to be a LI for the Inquisitor. Also Anders? "Ninjamance?" with a system clearly giving a heart symbol for when you are flirting with someone? Not a very good "ninjamance" about the only thing is he comes on strong with the player.
I was almost ninjamanced by Anders, so I would classify him as such. Besides, there is only one option to tell him you're not interested and I almost selected one of the two that ends up priming the romance flag. Most people (like me) look at the lines that are available rather than the symbol and that's what tends to allow Anders to ninjamance you. It's especially worse for those who are used to ME's version of the dialogue wheel which has no symbols what-so-ever, so we tend to look at the lines of dialogue before making our decision on what to say. For someone who is used to DA2's dialogue wheel, yeah it's no problem. But for someone who's used to a dialogue wheel that has no symbols, it tends to screw them up and they end up in a ninjamance with someone they hadn't intended to romance.
Anders does come on strong, but he comes on too strong. And when you reject him, he takes it hard (+10 rivalry, if I remember right).
Eh, I can see Steve being vaguely ninjamance-y, just because I could see my ManSheps teasing about being eye candy too without being interested in ACTUALLY hooking up with the guy. Hell, half the time I take that option after I've hooked up with someone else because I think the line is funny (and then Steve is like, duh you're hot, but I know you're already banging <whoever>). I dunno if there's an extra NO SERIOUSLY DO YOU ENJOY KISSING DUDES prompt after that, though. If so, then yeah, that's pretty hard to screw up. 
edit: The ME relationship I always wound up having to get out of was Jack, thinking about it. I was just being nice to her, dammit, I didn't want in her pants! The last thing she needs is a boyfriend.
I still maintain that you can't be "ninjamanced" if you select the big heart icon which explicitly indicates that this particular dialogue option is romantic in nature.
Regarding Steve:
The dialogue options you pick are: I'm eye-candy, too. --> I'm waiting for the right man. --> Yes (in response to "Dance with me")
How in the world are people selecting these options and not expecting it to initiate romance......?
I still maintain that you can't be "ninjamanced" if you select the big heart icon which explicitly indicates that this particular dialogue option is romantic in nature.
Regarding Steve:
The dialogue options you pick are: I'm eye-candy, too. --> I'm waiting for the right man. --> Yes (in response to "Dance with me")
How in the world are people selecting these options and not expecting it to initiate romance......?
People who always choose the top-right dialogue option without looking at it...
I still maintain that you can't be "ninjamanced" if you select the big heart icon which explicitly indicates that this particular dialogue option is romantic in nature.
Regarding Steve:
The dialogue options you pick are: I'm eye-candy, too. --> I'm waiting for the right man. --> Yes (in response to "Dance with me")
How in the world are people selecting these options and not expecting it to initiate romance......?
Fortunately for me, I always locked the kaidan romance before that convo, so, I can tell him that I'm eye candy and he refuses me anyway without me telling anything else.
How in the world are people claiming that Anders "ninjamanced" them? You have to select the big heart icon option to initiate romance. That's not ninjamancing.
Unless (and I just can't believe that anyone would think this), they mean that by simply hitting on a male character, Anders is somehow now ninjamancing them.....? No, no one could possible think that, right?
He does tend to act like a jealous boyfriend, even if you've never flirted with him.
I still maintain that you can't be "ninjamanced" if you select the big heart icon which explicitly indicates that this particular dialogue option is romantic in nature.
Regarding Steve:
The dialogue options you pick are: I'm eye-candy, too. --> I'm waiting for the right man. --> Yes (in response to "Dance with me")
How in the world are people selecting these options and not expecting it to initiate romance......?
I'm guessing people don't actually read what they're picking. That's the only way I can even begin to understand.
Oh no! A character shows interest in your character! How unrealistic! Whatever will we do?! We are all doomed! Who is flying this thing?!
I've only been ninjamanced three times, two due to glitches and one of my own (unintentional) doing. Annoying, but luckily I was able to beat off said offenders with a stick.
- Leliana was all sad that I was breaking up with her to marry Alistair. Um... right. I thought we were besties, Lel.
- Getting confronted by Kaidan and Liara to pick one of them when I'd flat out told Liara that I didn't like her, in that way or otherwise. Apparently no means yes in Asari speak. 
- Zevran inviting me to his tent and demanding that I choose between him and Alistair. Oops. In hindsight, telling Zev that I didn't care if he fancied me wasn't the right option. At the time I figured he was going to ogle me anyway and that telling him to knock it off wasn't going to solve anything. That'll learn me. *shrugs*
As for DAI, Iron Bull should be the ninjamance!
IB: You. Me. Tent. Now.
Inquisitor: *wibble*
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