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[Lady Nuggins]

Then it's up to us to prove that wrong.  More information will come between now and release.  Speaking personally, it can just as easily be "challenge accepted."

 

I won't dispute that in the past there's been aspects that are suboptimal.

 

This gives me hope.  I know you're not in a position to say anything further yet, but I appreciate knowing that you guys are aware of the issues many of us have had with equal options in the past, and that you are making a point of rising to the challenge.  This is what I needed to hear.

[Rawgrim]

But who would be who in a 1-4-1 scenario? Also, that'd mean that one orientation wouldn't be there (gay or lesbian character).

 

Maybe it'd go like this:

 

Straight: Cullen

Bi: Cass, Sera, Solas, DHMG

Gay: Scribe Girl

 

Hmmm, I'd be alright with that. But it'd suck for people who wanted to romance Cullen as a guy.

 

 

Maybe race is a factor too. Varric is only available to female dwarves. And Cullen won`t be interested in mages, but he is open to both genders of the other classes.

[Zu Long]

That would be unfair to the people who want to romance the bi NPCs and unfair to the representation of that sexuality, my whole problem with this, is the npc romances that I despise since ME 3. I love Liara and Kaidan romance but I dislike Sam approach, it seems forced and with a lot less content, it was like "here have some bread crumbs".

 

So really, no matter how they have it divided, having NPCs be a romance is automatically nerfing the romance for you? I suppose I'll just have to disagree heartily and leave it at that. As I said, I thought Sam's romance was awesome, and even just being her Captain and friend was pretty fun. Heck, I enjoyed the times I spent with Sam WAY more than, say, Javik. I suppose that just a personal taste thing.

[WildOrchid]

Cass (bi)/ Viv (gay)/ Sera (straight)

 

Aaaand i'm totally fine with that.

[Zu Long]

It could well be 1-4-1 as well. Not 2-2-2. We don`t know. Or maybe we get more than 6 too.

 

1-4-1 wouldn't be an even distribution across all sexualities though. Two would get 2 romances while two got 3 romances.

[cartographer]

I would rather have just 1 straight option, and the rest be bi or gay, than the DA2 route, to be honest. I don`t want that playersexual feel again.

I'm open to any system as long as it's done well and there's adequate variety for all players, where adequate is basically impossible to define.

Equally important to me is ensuring non-romantic relationships are improved, which I'm happy to see they care about but am cautiously optimistic about.

DA:I has the benefit of a large cast and I hope they use it well, romantically and otherwise.

I feel this is an area where BW games can sometimes struggle (though honestly ahead of the pack in many cases compared to the industry), so I was pleasantly surprised when DA2 featured, IMO, no dud companions. 

[Rawgrim]

1-4-1 wouldn't be an even distribution across all sexualities though. Two would get 2 romances while two got 3 romances.

 

Quite right. But Bioware hasn`t said anything about even distribution. We all just assumed it.

[Mes]

Aaaand i'm totally fine with that.

 

I'd be fine with that as well.

 

My fear is that Cullen and Cass, arguably the "main" romances/companions of the game, will be straight like Alistair and Morrigan.

[CronoDragoon]

I can't tell for sure, but the way you phrased that second paragraph makes it seem (to me) that you don't personally hold that view. If that is the case, then thank you very much for stating that position with fair-mindedness

 

I actually don't have a horse in this race. I was fine with what DA2 did and I'll be fine with this. I can see the reasons for changing to this new method of romancing (one reason for which I stated) and I can see the reasons for why they did the DA2 route. If I had to pick a side Last Straw style, I'd side with this new method, since I value defined characters more than romances. However, as a straight white male, I also recognize that having more romance options is going to mean more to groups that haven't historically been catered to by society, and the gaming scene in particular outside of devs like BioWare.

[llandwynwyn]

You can have that with bisexual LIs. Say for instance Sera, Cassandra, DHMG, and Solas are LIs. Maybe if you don't romance him DMHG gets with Iron Bull (or he and the GW get together). And Vivienne talks about a male she's interested in. That's differing sexualities in the group without the LIs being restricted.

 

No, because an all bi LI doesn't represent all types of homosexuality. Hell, in DAI it won't either. But it's a step in the right direction imo

 

A romance written exclusively for a lesbian character isn't the same as one with just some dialogue alterations. I'm not saying one is inferior to the other, but that representation matters.

[Mes]

A romance written exclusively for a lesbian character isn't the same as one with just some dialogue alterations. I'm not saying one is inferior to the other, but that representation matters.

 

Can you think of an example of a lesbian or gay character that was well written and well representative of that group?

[Sylvianus]

Cassandra Bi, Vivienne gay, Sera straight, would be my dream as well. I'd be happy for my friends and all the female players that want to romance Cassandra, Vivienne would be an LI as I wish so much, and I don't mind Sera. Also everyone would be a companion... 

[Zu Long]

Quite right. But Bioware hasn`t said anything about even distribution. We all just assumed it.

 

Actually there was a post on David Gaiders blog where he emphasized that the only reason they would leave the DA2 model was if they had enough options to be fair about it. I'll see if I can't find it, it was a while ago.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Steve Cortez.

[jellobell]

Maybe race is a factor too. Varric is only available to female dwarves. And Cullen won`t be interested in mages, but he is open to both genders of the other classes.

 

Bleh. Not a fan of gender restriction, let alone race/class restriction. My ideal story (which I'm pretty sure is not gonna happen) would be with a female Qunari magequisitor who romances Varric. If Varric sticks with Dwarves...well I'll just have to suck it up I guess. But I'd vastly prefer no class/race restrictions. I can see that turning out as just punishing people who want to play Qunari mages (cuz Qunari are big and scary and everybody hates mages). Plus, I loved being able to romance Fenris as a mage. I felt it added a lot to the romance, which was very much about two misfits growing to accept one another. If class restriction had been in place, I predict that the first thing that they'd have gated would've been Fenris's mage romance.

[Ryzaki]

No, because an all bi LI doesn't represent all types of homosexuality. Hell, in DAI it won't either. But it's a step in the right direction imo

 

A romance written exclusively for a lesbian character isn't the same as one with just some dialogue alterations. I'm not saying one is inferior to the other, but that representation matters.

 

 

I probably worded that wrongly say if Iron Bull was gay full stop.

 

Also you say that as if even an exclusive s/s romance represents all types of homosexuality. Trying to do that is a futile effort even in games dedicated to just romances. Much like all m/f romances don't represent all types of straight relationships.

 

Fair enough.

[CronoDragoon]

 If class restriction had been in place, I predict that the first thing that they'd have gated would've been Fenris's mage romance.

 

Hitting on Anders as a Templar would have been popcorn-worthy.

[Allan Schumacher]

While a part of me wants to know which DA:I characters will have which orientations, one of the most pleasant surprises for me during my first playthrough of DA:O was finding that Alistair was romanceable, which only really dawned on me when he said something totally swoonworthy to my Warden on arrival at Redcliffe.  (I bought DA:O a while after release, not having particularly followed development of it, because I had little interest in gaming outside of playing and modding NWN at the time.)  There's something really pleasant about being surprised in this way.  As such, the time for me to step back a bit from development news might be soon.  Maybe I can avoid too much info about companions before I get to play DA:I for the first time.

 

Just to comment, this is in large part why I try my darndest to not say too much.

 

I have my own biases, and that influences how I behave and what I think is appropriate to reveal.  I'm immensely spoiler averse.  I know not everyone is, but it's actually a conflict for me to give someone something that they are specifically asking for in terms of information, especially publicly.  I love the sense of discovery in our games, and I literally went "LALALALALALALA" with my eyes closed and ears plugged during studio meetings that contained ME2 and ME3 information.  I didn't want to be spoiled at all.

 

So, for myself, I actually would have preferred that the specific romances not be shared.  I think that there is value in the discovery.  Just food for thought in case you see me skirting the issues as to who is romanceable and what their preferences are.

[Rawgrim]

Bleh. Not a fan of gender restriction, let alone race/class restriction. My ideal story (which I'm pretty sure is not gonna happen) would be with a female Qunari magequisitor who romances Varric. If Varric sticks with Dwarves...well I'll just have to suck it up I guess. But I'd vastly prefer no class/race restrictions. I can see that turning out as just punishing people who want to play Qunari mages (cuz Qunari are big and scary and everybody hates mages). Plus, I loved being able to romance Fenris as a mage. I felt it added a lot to the romance, which was very much about two misfits growing to accept one another. If class restriction had been in place, I predict that the first thing that they'd have gated would've been Fenris's mage romance.

 

 

They did say the romances would be more complex. So maybe it would be harder to romance a templar as a mage, and easier as another class? Just a thought.

[Mihura]

Cassandra Bi, Vivienne gay, Sera straight, would be my dream as well. I'd be happy for my friends and all the female players that want to romance Cassandra, Vivienne would be an LI as I wish so much, and I don't mind Sera. Also everyone would be a companion... 

 

That would be a lot better but I doubt it, mostly because that would make all the female companions LI and that is not "realistic" lol 

[WildOrchid]

Actually there was a post on David Gaiders blog where he emphasized that the only reason they would leave the DA2 model was if they had enough options to be fair about it. I'll see if I can't find it, it was a while ago.

 

Yes, he indeed said that.

[Mes]

Just to comment, this is in large part why I try my darndest to not say too much.

 

I have my own biases, and that influences how I behave and what I think is appropriate to reveal.  I'm immensely spoiler averse.  I know not everyone is, but it's actually a conflict for me to give someone something that they are specifically asking for in terms of information, especially publicly.  I love the sense of discovery in our games, and I literally went "LALALALALALALA" with my eyes closed and ears plugged during studio meetings that contained ME2 and ME3 information.  I didn't want to be spoiled at all.

 

So, for myself, I actually would have preferred that the specific romances not be shared.  I think that there is value in the discovery.  Just food for thought in case you see me skirting the issues as to who is romanceable and what their preferences are.

 

Lol @ the "lalalala" imagery.

 

I think everyone would be happy if this information was revealed under big, glaring "spoiler alert!" tags. That way people who still want to be surprised can have the option of avoiding this info.
 

[Ryzaki]

XD

 

This honestly makes me want a BW game where you choose to have a spouse at the beginning or not. If you choose no that's it. You don't get another LI option. You could get one night stands sure but that's it. If you choose to have one they're involved in the plot (not as a companion mind) and certain moments in the plot shift because of it (say instead of bad guy attacking you he/she attacks the spouse). And there's only 2 spouse (male and female) you pick which one you have and that's it. There could be a lot of depth in a such a relationship since that's the only romance they'd have to worry about.

 

 

But seriously if the devs aren't going to tell who the restricted LIs were I'd rather they had told nothing about the LIs and had everyone learn at the same time. Having this "well X knows but Y has to wait til release" is just...no.

[jellobell]

Hitting on Anders as a Templar would have been popcorn-worthy.

 

Templar isn't really a "class" though. I meant classes that you choose at character creation. I agree that romancing Fenris as a blood mage (who doesn't bother to conceal that they're a blood mage) is weird.

 

Also, I find 1/4/1 with the two restricted options as the NPC romances more palatable than restricting the companion romances. I'm still very dubious about NPC romance, and having to choose between an NPC and a companion seems like an unfair choice. 

[chibielf]

As long as Solas is romanceable for female players. I'm good. I'mpretty sure he is, from what I've read and learned, my money is on bi, so, I'm all good. But again, I've been a fan of they are all bi so everyone is happy.