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[rapscallioness]

I'm gonna miss the banter, man. And just when it seems DA is really trying to step up their game with it. I really enjoy that party banter when your LI is with you. Heck, sometimes that's a big part of why I'll replay things. Just to check out the different banter.

 

I enjoy going out to battle with my LI, and seeing content with their reactions to the new and strange places we go. And we're finally going some places with amazing stuff happening.

 

Right now, what I'm looking at as a straight female with the 2/2/2 and npc romance stuff---is an NPC LI, that's not gonna share those kinda things with my character. And one actual Companion LI. One.

 

Tbh, if all the romances--assuming 6--were in the party. One straight/bi/gay, then I wouldn't mind cuz I'd have 2 Companion LI choices.

 

Although, I still prefer Playersexual romances overall.

[MrMrPendragon]

The problem "wanting the LI the player can't have" is the biggest issue when it comes to romances. I for one support any kind of structure they implement when it comes to romances, whether it's 2/2/2 or whatever.

I do however believe that players should not embrace the mentality that they can always get what they want, when it comes to romances. If the companion you want is the one you can't have, then that's too bad.

Tbh, what matters is the content of the romances. The romance system of the game should not be judge based on whether or not you can romance a certain companion or not.

So what if it's 2/2/2 ?
What should happen is that even though you didn't get the companion you wanted, hopefully Bioware has made the choices that ARE AVAILABLE to you just as interesting that you would fall for those characters.

The solution isn't to keep switching back and forth between all-bi and mixed. The solution is making all content for possible LIs so good that it wouldn't even matter if it's all bi or not. That I think, is what Bioware is going for in Inquisition.

[lady_v23]

I honestly prefer the "playersexual" option.  But whatever.  I'll just go for the one that has the most potential of becoming  rich.

[Mihura]

The problem "wanting the LI the player can't have" is the biggest issue when it comes to romances. I for one support any kind of structure they implement when it comes to romances, whether it's 2/2/2 or whatever.

I do however believe that players should not embrace the mentality that they can always get what they want, when it comes to romances. If the companion you want is the one you can't have, then that's too bad.

Tbh, what matters is the content of the romances. The romance system of the game should not be judge based on whether or not you can romance a certain companion or not.

So what if it's 2/2/2 ?
What should happen is that even though you didn't get the companion you wanted, hopefully Bioware has made the choices that ARE AVAILABLE to you just as interesting that you would fall for those characters.

The solution isn't to keep switching back and forth between all-bi and mixed. The solution is making all content for possible LIs so good that it wouldn't even matter if it's all bi or not. That I think, is what Bioware is going for in Inquisition.

 

The content is already good, I want diversity because it matters to a lot of people and me included.

[Eterna]

Then it's up to us to prove that wrong.  More information will come between now and release.  Speaking personally, it can just as easily be "challenge accepted."

 

I won't dispute that in the past there's been aspects that are suboptimal.

 

And I of course hope you guys prove me horribly wrong. 

[Mes]

Every game needs at least one addictive quality to it, the one thing that keeps a person coming back to it again and again. Here are the last few games I've played and what I think that quality is:

 

Ni No Kuni - the pokemon-esque collection thing

 

Dragon's Dogma - the incredible combat system

 

The Last of Us - the heavy story and gorgeous graphics

 

Dragon Age - the companions.

 

I know we all have our various preferences, but I think a huge portion of us consider the companions to be the most important aspect of Dragon Age - the thing that keeps us coming back for more. DA isn't exactly known for its great story (the Inquisitor's explosion/sole-survivor trope already highly overused), the combat is average at best...

 

So I can't understand why they would place arbitrary gender restrictions (which do not make sense in the Dragon Age universe) on their biggest in-game asset. 

[CronoDragoon]

So I can't understand why they would place arbitrary gender restrictions (which do not make sense in the Dragon Age universe) on their biggest in-game asset. 

 

From the way some people talk you'd think they are removing characters from the game completely or something. My favorite characters in DA2 were ones I didn't romance.

 

I'm also not sure why gender restrictions don't make sense in the DA universe. Sexual orientation isn't discriminated against but that doesn't mean everyone screws everyone.

[Steelcan]

Good

[Mes]

From the way some people talk you'd think they are removing characters from the game completely or something. My favorite characters in DA2 were the ones I didn't romance.

 

I'm also not sure why gender restrictions don't make sense in the DA universe. Sexual orientation isn't discriminated against but that doesn't mean everyone screws everyone.

 

Lol it's just a discussion - at the end of the day the DA series is my favorite and probably always will be. Honestly everything everyone says can just be taken with a few grains of salt.

 

Bisexual people don't go around screwing everyone. We're talking about a handful of companions who may or may not be attracted to your character, but only are IF you so choose.

[Ryzaki]

Good

 

*cries on Steel's shoulder*

 

You wound me.

 

 

Honestly though this really makes the female VA the make or break me getting this game. If it sucks I'm out.

[Steelcan]

*cries on Steel's shoulder*

 

You wound me.

 

 

Honestly though this really makes the female VA the make or break me getting this game. If it sucks I'm out.

So how'd you get through ME2 or ME1 then?

[Ryzaki]

So how'd you get through ME2 or ME1 then?

 

I made Shep into a piece of eyecandy. A beautiful piece of eyecandy. His sole purpose was to be aesthetically pleasing. Plus I didn't buy those games originally. I borrowed them.

 

I suppose worst comes to worse I can do that with the Inq. I'll wait for a sale tho.

[Allan Schumacher]

My point is that I don't think making a character gay automatically adds any kind of merit. A well written bi or playersexual character can have a lot of potential too.

 

I don't remember tooooo much about ME3's finer details on each conversation, but there's one thing that I loved about Steve.

 

 

My reaction when Steve shared he had a husband: "Oh!  Oh hey.  He's gay!"

Shepard's reaction when Steve shard he had a husband: <carry on conversation without blinking an eye>

 

What I loved so much, was how much of a non issue it was for Shepard.  It was something that I learned about myself, and I feel I actually became a better person, if slightly, because of that scene.

 

 

Representation was a common talking point at two panels for PAX Prime: the LGBT panel and the Romance panel.  I was there for the LGBT panel, in the audience, and it was pretty eye opening to me.  The line to ask a question was huge, and the questions and perspectives were varied all along.

 

One person felt that Alistair was possibly conflicted about his own sexuality,and ended up asking if BioWare would ever explore having companions that were conflicted/struggling with their own sexuality.  He opened the question by stating that BioWare's games helped him deal with his own sexuality.

 

Someone actually did say "This is why we needed Steve and Traynor in the game, because at least we were represented in the game, even if we couldn't necessarily romance them."  To reinforce the idea that a person can have all sorts of traits, and that person can be gay, or bisexual, or heterosexual.  IIRC, not as many hands went up for "should we have made them bisexual instead."

 

I think it was Patrick shared at one point that he felt the idea of having the player openly experience the same things they feel in their real life (whether it be picking up dog poo, or dealing with homophobia), and it was in response to someone that said that they felt that clearly omitting some of those challenges has a tendency to make things look overly "happy happy" (to use their words) cheapened the depiction.  There are some that feel that "all bisexual" is as problematic as "all straight" so I do think, for some people, it's an issue of representation for some.  They like seeing some of that stuff, and they consider it positive.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Second worst news about Dragon Age Inquisition. 

[SirGladiator]

One thing that doesn't get enough attention in these discussions is the basic fact that the romances themselves don't change when a given LI is only available to one gender.  I've played many of the romances that were gender-exclusive via mods (such as Morrigan, Miranda, Tali, etc.) and I've also played the Samatha romance, all with female PCs, and in none of those romances did my PC's gender make the romance more or less fun, it's the same romance either way.  Making certain LIs gender-specific doesn't improve the quality of the romance, all it does it take away options from players.  Defining LIs by who they could and couldn't be romanced by doesn't enhance their romances or characters in any way, nor does it take away the enjoyment of a given romance to know that folks of a different gender can also enjoy it.  Taking away options from players never makes the game more fun, especially when those options are romance options.  It's just a bad idea, and an unfortunate step backwards after everything went so well with the DA2 model.  It's ironic that most other popular games have adopted the DA2 model to the pretty much universal approval of their fans, while the DA series itself is now going back to the old ways that most every other game series has already left behind, and it's not surprising that most people don't like the idea.  I hope they reconsider this decision, if not for DAI itself then at least for the inevitable Expansion/DLC, as well as all future games.

[Mihura]

Second worst news about Dragon Age Inquisition. 

 

What was the first?

The only way I see this as a positive thing, is if they use that part of the character and make it matter but than again, I never felt prejudice against my PC if they romance this or that character, so isn't that gonna to be immersion breaking in the current "lore"? It would make a lot more sense the race being a restriction or being a mage.

[stuffystuffs]

What was the first?

The only way I see this as a positive thing, is if they use that part of the character and make it matter but than again, I never felt prejudice against my PC if they romance this or that character, so isn't that gonna to be immersion breaking in the current "lore"? It would make a lot more sense the race being a restriction or being a mage.

 

I do think my Qunari Necromancer not getting any b/c she looks intimidating with those horns and raises the dead for laughs would make more sense.

[AlanC9]

One thing that doesn't get enough attention in these discussions is the basic fact that the romances themselves don't change when a given LI is only available to one gender. I've played many of the romances that were gender-exclusive via mods (such as Morrigan, Miranda, Tali, etc.) and I've also played the Samatha romance, all with female PCs, and in none of those romances did my PC's gender make the romance more or less fun, it's the same romance either way.

How could the romances have been different? Those mods don't rewrite anything.

[llandwynwyn]

@Allan Schumacher,

 

Well said.

[Mihura]

I do think my Qunari Necromancer not getting any b/c she looks intimidating with those horns and raises the dead for laughs would make more sense.

 

Exactly, I always got the impression that people in game hated mages, qunari and elves in general. I really do not see how they are gonna to address the IRL problems people suffer from prejudice, since it is pretty banal to like the same gender, how are they gonna to struggle with it? Unless there is something on the Qunari side I do not know.

[Grieving Natashina]

What was the first?
 

I can answer this for her: Dalish-only Inquisitor, with no City Elf option.

[Veriond]

I don't remember tooooo much about ME3's finer details on each conversation, but there's one thing that I loved about Steve.

 

 

My reaction when Steve shared he had a husband: "Oh!  Oh hey.  He's gay!"

Shepard's reaction when Steve shard he had a husband: <carry on conversation without blinking an eye>

 

What I loved so much, was how much of a non issue it was for Shepard.  It was something that I learned about myself, and I feel I actually became a better person, if slightly, because of that scene.

 

I've said before that more queer representation outside of the romances would be better. You could get exactly this same reaction by having queer characters who are not LIs. The thing about this reveal is that from what I've seen both on these forums and tumblr the queer gamers are the ones who feel the most upset and to some degree betrayed by Bioware. The perception is that Bioware is backing away from supporting queer gamers.

[Bipster]

This sounds pretty great to me!

 

If it ends up being 2/2/2, (which seems the most likely route) then not only are we getting the same amount of choices as DA2, but we will finally see some canon gay and lesbian romances (and probably companions) for the first time ever in the DA series. And that would be absolutely amazing if true!

 

I do feel for all those who prefer the playersexual route though, as I always thought it was a perfectly valid option.

[Allan Schumacher]

I've said before that more queer representation outside of the romances would be better. You could get exactly this same reaction by having queer characters who are not LIs. The thing about this reveal is that from what I've seen both on these forums and tumblr the queer gamers are the ones who feel the most upset and to some degree betrayed by Bioware. The perception is that Bioware is backing away from supporting queer gamers.

 

That IS entirely fair that the impression can still be made with an NPC.  Though I'm not sure if having a situation like Steve still being a love interest would be an indicator that BioWare would be backing away from supporting queer gamers.  In general, whether it be with ME3 or DA2, the queer gaming community was pretty outspokenly positive at the LGBTQ panel at PAX Prime.  Do you think that this is different now?  Could you elaborate further?

 

 

I know that there are wording issues, as detailed in the previous thread, that are particularly sore spots for some LGBTQ people.  For example, some feel that Cameron's statement comes across as suggesting that bisexuality isn't a set sexuality (and the problematic aspects that comes with that).  I feel I can understand those concerns.  But in terms of feeling betrayed, is it beyond just the messaging?  For example, if you feel that Dragon Age 2 is excellent because there are bisexual persons that you can romance, is there a concern that with this direction there will be less bisexual representation?  And since you had 4 in the previous game, having less than 4 bisexual love interests would represent a loss?  (This is a valid perception, by the way, if it's the way you feel).

 

I just want to understand the specifics about why you feel this is a betrayal.  I apologize if I come across as overly obtuse, but my inquiry is genuine.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What was the first?

The only way I see this as a positive thing, is if they use that part of the character and make it matter but than again, I never felt prejudice against my PC if they romance this or that character, so isn't that gonna to be immersion breaking in the current "lore"? It would make a lot more sense the race being a restriction or being a mage.

For me, it was the "No City Elf Backstory for Elven Inquisitors".