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[Rawgrim]

So what you wanted to see was a different spread of sexualities?
 

Couldn't that be solved by having non romance options gay and straight?

 

Well. If they are "playersexual" it leaves me with the feeling that when I created my PC, I also decided the sexuality of the love interests in the game. They are NPCs. Non Player Characters. I don`t like to have any influence, if I could call it that, over them before I have actually met them. Actions, dialogue and behavior should allow me to influence them. Not me while creating my PC.

 

I`d like different sexualities for the love interests. Equally spread out for all sexualities. Nothing wrong with that, is it?

[Grieving Natashina]

Maybe. It might simply be Isabela knowing to use a softer touch with another woman.

 

Even in a casual, no-strings-attached sexual encounter, I think many women would see being referred to as 'an interesting diversion' as a negative.

To be fair, that doesn't sound like something most guys would appreciate either.  

[KaiserShep]

Maybe. It might simply be Isabela knowing to use a softer touch with another woman.

 

Even in a casual, no-strings-attached sexual encounter, I think many women would see being referred to as 'an interesting diversion' as a negative.

 

Fair point. It's just the impression I got when I first heard those lines for M!Hawke for the first time. In any case, I like that there's some attention to the little bits of dialogue based on gender beyond he/she/man/woman in sentences.

 

I don't think I'd really care for being called an interesting diversion either.

[Former_Fiend]

Choices will always be limited unless Bioware gets enough zots to make everyone romanceable by everyone.

But I find 6 romanceable characters (assuming that's what we get) that not every character can romance is less limiting than 4 available to all. 

 

Lets say Cassandra's straight, Sera's bi, Scribbles is lesbian(not sure how it'll break down, but for the sake of argument).

 

I'm a straight male, I'm going to play a male character and romance a female character, and my preference is Cassandra; she's the only one of the female LI's I'm remotely interested in. Well, I'm in luck. Now let's say there's a lesbian player who wants to play a female inquisitor, and, like me, Cassandra's the only one of the LI's that appeals to her. She is plum out of luck.

 

Cassandra being exclusive to me doesn't benefit me at all. I wouldn't lose anything from a lesbian player being able to romance Cassandra with her preferred inquisitor. Cassandra's character would in no way change or be harmed by being attracted to both men and women. 

 

So ultimately the decision to make Cassandra straight is completely arbitrary.

[xarthas2]

And having a convenient equal amount of gay, straight and bisexual LIs isn't forced?

 

Although what you said isn't completly invalid, I will ask you to wonder: Why romance should be different of, let's say classes or specialization? Aren't mages less in number than, for examples, warriors, in DA universe? Because if that it's true, maybe we should expect more warrior specialisations, and it's not the case. The devs try to balance the experience in order to give equal fun despite your choices.

 

Equal opportunities could feel a bit "artificial", but in a convenient way. Although I would absolutely approve if DA4 go, for example, with only gay romanceble characteres, if the writers feel that is what the characters or story "need".

[Mes]

Choices will always be limited unless Bioware gets enough zots to make everyone romanceable by everyone.

But I find 6 romanceable characters (assuming that's what we get) that not every character can romance is less limiting than 4 available to all. 

 

I guess it's a matter of perspective and I don't think the two sides of this debate are going to agree any time soon.

 

One specific thing that irritates me is I was really excited about romancing Cass with a female PC. I don't ever romance female characters, but Cass has thus far hit the right note with me, and I was really excited to give this sort of thing a shot for the first time. We don't know yet what Cass's sexual orientation will be, but if it's straight then I'm going to be forced to play as a male PC in order to romance her, which kills everything I was excited about in the first place.

[WildOrchid]

Lets say Cassandra's straight, Sera's bi, Scribbles is lesbian(not sure how it'll break down, but for the sake of argument).

 

I'm a straight male, I'm going to play a male character and romance a female character, and my preference is Cassandra; she's the only one of the female LI's I'm remotely interested in. Well, I'm in luck. Now let's say there's a lesbian player who wants to play a female inquisitor, and, like me, Cassandra's the only one of the LI's that appeals to her. She is plum out of luck.

 

Cassandra being exclusive to me doesn't benefit me at all. I wouldn't lose anything from a lesbian player being able to romance Cassandra with her preferred inquisitor. Cassandra's character would in no way change or be harmed by being attracted to both men and women. 

 

So ultimately the decision to make Cassandra straight is completely arbitrary.

 

 

Gaargh i hate running out of likes... but THIS.

[Mihura]

For female Hawke, Isabela says "That was...", but stops mid-sentence, giggles to herself and says "Thank you. I should go before I take advantage of your...hospitality."

 

For male Hawke, she will say "I should go. That was an...interesting diversion."

 

To me, this kind of bolsters her inclination toward women over men.

 

That proves my point, the little differences on the dialog tells you that she has a preference. So in that context Cassandra even if bi as a preference for males no? that was my point, there is a difference there because the writers want to give you that impression. 

And till now I got that impression of Cassandra, I could be wrong and if she turns out to be gay I will eat my shoe!

[Melca36]

Quality over quantity . . . I like the idea that each option can have more concentration, layers and depth to if they limit the amount of options each has. The result, I hope, is that each one feels more rich, via the focus given. I suppose we'll see. As someone that likes multiple play throughts anyways, with different types of character, it will give me - potentially - new options with each new approach.

I agree. I don't want things just handed to me.  For $70...I want a game that challenges me and that includes the romances.

 

And people should have NEVER assumed the romances were going to be done exactly the way DA2 was.    I will play both genders of all the races this way so I can try them ALL out

[Mad Cassidy]

Choices will always be limited unless Bioware gets enough zots to make everyone romanceable by everyone.

But I find 6 romanceable characters (assuming that's what we get) that not every character can romance is less limiting than 4 available to all. 

 

Sure, the number of choices will always be limited by the number of NPCs designated as love interests. However, following the DA2 formula, everyone has access to all of the same choices. No-one can claim dissatisfaction at having what may be considered a sub-par LI when compared to the options available to someone else playing a different sex. The fear is that some NPCs will not be as fleshed out as others. For instance, if the gay/lesbian LI is the stay-at-home NPC, then that NPC has less banter and there is less interactivity between the player and that character. And that is a loss to the player, who will have access to less content.

 

It could well be that this is avoided, and all characters have an equal amount of presence, but...

[Ryzaki]

Well. If they are "playersexual" it leaves me with the feeling that when I created my PC, I also decided the sexuality of the love interests in the game. They are NPCs. Non Player Characters. I don`t like to have any influence, if I could call it that, over them before I have actually met them. Actions, dialogue and behavior should allow me to influence them. Not me while creating my PC.

 

I`d like different sexualities for the love interests. Equally spread out for all sexualities. Nothing wrong with that, is it?

 

But that's not the case. They were bisexual not playersexual Fenris didn't become gay because male Hawke romanced him. Anders always shows interest in women (I wish he always admitted to what Karl was to him even when playing a female because that's where most of the complaints come from).

 

No nothing's wrong with it. I just fail to see how it's less almost forced than all bisexual. Both exist to give the players an equal amount of options.
 

 

Although what you said isn't completly invalid, I will ask you to wonder: Why romance should be different of, let's say classes or specialization? Aren't mages less in number than, for examples, warriors, in DA universe? Because if that it's true, maybe we should expect more warrior specialisations, and it's not the case. The devs try to balance the experience in order to give equal fun despite your choices.

 

Equal opportunities could feel a bit "artificial", but in a convenient way. Although I would absolutely approve if DA4 go, for example, with only gay romanceble characteres, if the writers feel that is what the characters or story "need".

 

Yeah my issue is they're pretty much equally artificial. Thus my confusion as to the whole "it's less artificial than X" there should be some games where a lot of the companions not only are straight but simply aren't interested. Yet for some baffling reason male protags (save KOTOR) always have 2 options. Despite the fact that there's plenty of male characters who probably would sleep with the fem protag if she offered (or would even offer) there's hardly ever 1 night stands. If anything a female should have a much easier time getting people to sleep with her yet most of the trysts are for straight males.

[Former_Fiend]

The option is always going to be limited by the number of characters bioware deems to be romanceable. In this case, we're talking 4-6 out of 9-12 people.

 

Considering the selection is already so limited, I see no reason to limit it further.

[Mes]

Lets say Cassandra's straight, Sera's bi, Scribbles is lesbian(not sure how it'll break down, but for the sake of argument).

 

I'm a straight male, I'm going to play a male character and romance a female character, and my preference is Cassandra; she's the only one of the female LI's I'm remotely interested in. Well, I'm in luck. Now let's say there's a lesbian player who wants to play a female inquisitor, and, like me, Cassandra's the only one of the LI's that appeals to her. She is plum out of luck.

 

Cassandra being exclusive to me doesn't benefit me at all. I wouldn't lose anything from a lesbian player being able to romance Cassandra with her preferred inquisitor. Cassandra's character would in no way change or be harmed by being attracted to both men and women. 

 

So ultimately the decision to make Cassandra straight is completely arbitrary.

 

I completely agree with this. And in fact it's precisely what I'm worried about - Cass being unavailable to me. YES I know I can just create a male PC and romance her that way, but that's NOT the point. To get the most out of that relationship, in my head, FOR ME, my PC would need to be female.

[Fetunche]

2/2/2 isn't an equal split for each gender. That's 2 each for hetero, 2 each for gay and 4 each for bisexuals, player sexual is the only fully inclusive fair way of doing romances.

[Ryzaki]

2/2/2 isn't an equal split for each gender. That's 2 each for hetero, 2 each for gay and 4 each for bisexuals, player sexual is the only fully inclusive fair way of doing romances.

 

Eh bisexuals always will get more options. That's what happens when you're not restrictive. XD

[Bekkael]

The option is always going to be limited by the number of characters bioware deems to be romanceable. In this case, we're talking 4-6 out of 9-12 people.

 

Considering the selection is already so limited, I see no reason to limit it further.

 

Exactly. I will also never understand why so many players want to take choices away from other gamers just to please their own preferences. It's baffling.

[Welsh Inferno]

Lets say Cassandra's straight, Sera's bi, Scribbles is lesbian(not sure how it'll break down, but for the sake of argument).

 

I'm a straight male, I'm going to play a male character and romance a female character, and my preference is Cassandra; she's the only one of the female LI's I'm remotely interested in. Well, I'm in luck. Now let's say there's a lesbian player who wants to play a female inquisitor, and, like me, Cassandra's the only one of the LI's that appeals to her. She is plum out of luck.

 

Cassandra being exclusive to me doesn't benefit me at all. I wouldn't lose anything from a lesbian player being able to romance Cassandra with her preferred inquisitor. Cassandra's character would in no way change or be harmed by being attracted to both men and women. 

 

So ultimately the decision to make Cassandra straight is completely arbitrary.

 

I'm also a straight male who is at the current time most interested in Cassandra. Lets say for arguments sake when I play the game, it turned out she's only interested in women. So, what would my reaction be? I wouldn't care. I'd deal with her life choice. Not everyone wants whats in my PC's pants, so I'll move on to someone else. I certainly would not be throwing any hissy fits because I cant romance her.

[xarthas2]

To be fair, that doesn't sound like something most guys would appreciate either.  

 

You could interpretate that in very different ways. Maybe with a maleHawke Isabella is powerplaying, while with a female she doesn't. The Cass comment to Varric is really subtle and in no way tells us anything about the way Cass swagg.

 

I supousse that you could only talk about retconning if the NPCs actively refused romances because of gender reasons in DAO (I'm thinking in Morrigan if you try to hit her with a female Warden) and suddenly that is changed. Even that...

[Rawgrim]

But that's not the case. They were bisexual not playersexual Fenris didn't become gay because male Hawke romanced him. Anders always shows interest in women (I wish he always admitted to what Karl was to him even when playing a female because that's where most of the complaints come from).

 

No nothing's wrong with it. I just fail to see how it's less almost forced than all bisexual. Both exist to give the players an equal amount of options.
 

 

 

Yeah my issue is they're pretty much equally artificial. Thus my confusion as to the whole "it's less artificial than X" there should be some games where a lot of the companions not only are straight but simply aren't interested. Yet for some baffling reason male protags (save KOTOR) always have 2 options. Despite the fact that there's plenty of male characters who probably would sleep with the fem protag if she offered (or would even offer) there's hardly ever 1 night stands. If anything a female should have a much easier time getting people to sleep with her yet most of the trysts are for straight males.

 

 

Well its not equal, is it? Straight males gets 2 options. Gay men and women get 2. Bisexuals gets 4 That is just nitpicking though, but still.

[Former_Fiend]

2/2/2 isn't an equal split for each gender. That's 2 each for hetero, 2 each for gay and 4 each for bisexuals, player sexual is the only fully inclusive fair way of doing romances.

 

The bisexual player is always going to have more options. In the player sexual model the heterosexual player is still only going to choose from the two options of the opposite gender, while the bisexual player can choose from all four.

[KaiserShep]

Lets say Cassandra's straight, Sera's bi, Scribbles is lesbian(not sure how it'll break down, but for the sake of argument).

 

Here's to hoping we can actually call her "Scribbles" in the game. Bonus points if she laughs and slaps the Inquisitor on the shoulder.

[Ryzaki]

Well its not equal, is it? Straight males gets 2 options. Gay men and women get 2. Bisexuals gets 4 That is just nitpicking though, but still.

 

It's never going to be equal for bisexuals. Even if everyone got one choice each bisexuals get 2. Not their fault you chose to restrict yourself

[Mes]

I'm also a straight male who is at the current time most interested in Cassandra. Lets say for arguments sake when I play the game, it turned out she's only interested in women. So, what would my reaction be? I wouldn't care. I'd deal with her life choice. Not everyone wants whats in my PC's pants, so I'll move on to someone else. I certainly would not be throwing any hissy fits because I cant romance her.

 

You might think differently if the remaining female characters aren't nearly as interesting or have as much content as Cass. That's basically one of the main concerns.

[Maria Caliban]

I completely agree with this. And in fact it's precisely what I'm worried about - Cass being unavailable to me. YES I know I can just create a male PC and romance her that way, but that's NOT the point. To get the most out of that relationship, in my head, FOR ME, my PC would need to be female.

 
I'm going to agree that romancing a character with a male PC is not the same as romancing them with a female one. It's not as romantic or emotionally engaging to me.
 
 

It's never going to be equal for bisexuals. Even if everyone got one choice each bisexuals get 2. Not their fault you chose to restrict yourself

"Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night." - Woody Allen

[cartographer]

I asked this in one of the threads earlier that was locked, but I believe it might have been overlooked due to being new and needing the the post to be approved, so it was understandably a bit further behind in such a passionate thread.

 

I have two things to ask, one a clarification and the other a general question.

 

I assume the 2/2/2 means 6 romances total: one straight and gay option for each gender and then two bisexual options available to both genders. This seems obvious but I wanted to make sure, and also ask if this is the assumed structure for the game or if there is indication there is more or less total romances.

 

Additionally, I would also ask if any other fellow players find value in the possibility of a high profile gay character being included in the game? As far as I know, this is somewhat* rare and I think that would be a wonderful step. 

 

edit*: Added "somewhat."