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Dragon Age: Inquisition will Feature Complex Romance and Characters with "One Solid Sexual Orientation"


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I'm also a straight male who is at the current time most interested in Cassandra. Lets say for arguments sake when I play the game, it turned out she's only interested in women. So, what would my reaction be? I wouldn't care. I'd deal with her life choice. Not everyone wants whats in my PC's pants, so I'll move on to someone else. I certainly would not be throwing any hissy fits because I cant romance her.

 

I don't think everyone should want into your character's pants. That's why I'm not asking for the full party to be romanceable, or, going the Fable route, everyone in the game world. 

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with people hoping to get something, nor do I think there's anything wrong with them expressing their disappointment at not getting it. 


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It's never going to be equal for bisexuals. Even if everyone got one choice each bisexuals get 2. Not their fault you chose to restrict yourself :P

 

Well, you`d still have to find other bisexuals to date etc. So that would be a question of the amount of bisexuals in the world (of Thedas) as opposed to the amount of straight people. Or gay people, for that matter. A fully gay man wouldn`t sleep with a woman if she was bisexual.

 

Ohh I am born with the restriction :) Can`t help it. But my restriction doesn`t mind that you are lacking it :)



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You might think differently if the remaining female characters aren't nearly as interesting or have as much content as Cass. That's basically one of the main concerns.

 

No. You know what I would do? Not romance anyone.

 

I'd accept this for what it is even if say for example my favorite character in the entire series, Morrigan, was lesbian in Origins. I'm not overly interested in Leliana so I wouldn't have romanced anyone.


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I assume the 2/2/2 means 6 romances total: one straight and gay option for each gender and then two bisexual options available to both genders. This seems obvious but I wanted to make sure, and also ask if this is the assumed structure for the game or if there is indication there is more or less total romances.


People are making that assumption, yes.
 

Additionally, I would also ask if any other fellow players find value in the possibility of a high profile gay character being included in the game? As far as I know, this is somewhat* rare and I think that would be a wonderful step. 
 
edit*: Added "somewhat."


No need to add 'somewhat.' We've had Samantha Traynor, Harren and Wade, and Hespith as the most 'high profile' gay characters, and I wouldn't call them high profile at all.

Sure. I think there's value in a high profile gay character.
 

Well, you`d still have to find other bisexuals to date etc.


Huh? Bisexuals can date bisexuals, gays, and straight peeps.
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Well, you`d still have to find other bisexuals to date etc. So that would be a question of the amount of bisexuals in the world (of Thedas) as opposed to the amount of straight people. Or gay people, for that matter. A fully gay man wouldn`t sleep with a woman if she was bisexual.

 

Ohh I am born with the restriction :) Can`t help it. But my restriction doesn`t mind that you are lacking it :)

 

Ugh. That would just put the character on my please GTFO list. (not to mention how would he even know she was bisexual unless she told him or he knew a woman she slept with)? Man that would so sour my impression of the character =/ they'd pretty much permanently be told to leave or baby sitting the camp.

 

I'm not lacking it :P


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Additionally, I would also ask if any other fellow players find value in the possibility of a high profile gay character being included in the game? As far as I know, this is somewhat* rare and I think that would be a wonderful step.

You mean like Renly Baratheon, sans f*cked up family and death? It'd be interesting to see implemented in the game.



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Well, you`d still have to find other bisexuals to date etc. So that would be a question of the amount of bisexuals in the world (of Thedas) as opposed to the amount of straight people. Or gay people, for that matter. A fully gay man wouldn`t sleep with a woman if she was bisexual.

 

Ohh I am born with the restriction :) Can`t help it. But my restriction doesn`t mind that you are lacking it :)

 

Bisexuals aren't limited to dating other bisexuals. They can date straight people of the opposite gender and gay people of the same gender.


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Well. If they are "playersexual" it leaves me with the feeling that when I created my PC, I also decided the sexuality of the love interests in the game. 

 

Or when you hit the "heart" icon, depending on the character.



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No. You know what I would do? Not romance anyone.

 

I'd accept this for what it is even if say for example my favorite character in the entire series, Morrigan, was lesbian in Origins. I'm not overly interested in Leliana so I wouldn't have romanced anyone.

 

The problem is that we do not live in a bubble and bioware games are the few ones that do this type of diverse cast. It is fine if you do not want to romance anyone but you get a lot more games with that type of narrative and most people do not. 



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Bisexuals aren't limited to dating other bisexuals. They can date straight people of the opposite gender and gay people of the same gender.

 

I read this as the LI upon seeing the character was bisexual would refuse to date them for...reasons.



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People are making that assumption, yes.
 

No need to add 'somewhat.' We've had Samantha Traynor, Harren and Wade, and Hespith as the most 'high profile' gay characters, and I wouldn't call them high profile at all.


Huh? Bisexuals can date bisexuals, gays, and straight peeps.

Thank you very much for answering. I wanted to be sure I was on the same page. I added "somewhat" because I didn't want to leave out the possibility that I was forgetting someone, as my memory can be unreliable. 

 

You mean like Renly Baratheon, sans f*cked up family and death? It'd be interesting to see implemented in the game.

Yes, something like that except a little less "bury your gays" though I'm not opposed to tragic endings for any sort of character, as well-told stories aren't always happy.



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No. You know what I would do? Not romance anyone.

 

I'd accept this for what it is even if say for example my favorite character in the entire series, Morrigan, was lesbian in Origins. I'm not overly interested in Leliana so I wouldn't have romanced anyone.

 

Yup. This was me in DA2 where Sebastian was my favorite character even though I couldn't romance him. I didn't get mad or upset that he was restricted to females only, and in fact, it actually made me appreciate his character more, especially in DA2 where all the other romancable companions were ripe for the picking by anyone.


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Bisexuals aren't limited to dating other bisexuals. They can date straight people of the opposite gender and gay people of the same gender.

 

Yes. Quite right. But they couldn`t date straight people of their own gender. Or gay people of the opposite gender. (I think that is right? I got myself all confused now).



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The problem is that we do not live in a bubble and bioware games are the few ones that do this type of diverse cast. It is fine if you do not want to romance anyone but you get a lot more games with that type of narrative and most people do not. 

 

I do want to romance someone. I do not have to however.

 

2/2/2 is very diverse. More so than most games.



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While a part of me wants to know which DA:I characters will have which orientations, one of the most pleasant surprises for me during my first playthrough of DA:O was finding that Alistair was romanceable, which only really dawned on me when he said something totally swoonworthy to my Warden on arrival at Redcliffe.  (I bought DA:O a while after release, not having particularly followed development of it, because I had little interest in gaming outside of playing and modding NWN at the time.)  There's something really pleasant about being surprised in this way.  As such, the time for me to step back a bit from development news might be soon.  Maybe I can avoid too much info about companions before I get to play DA:I for the first time.

 

Before I do, though, I have a few more thoughts on this subject.  The linked quote mentions that DA:I romances will be more complex.  This notion interests me.  I hope that it means that there will be more differences between the various romances, that individual romanceable characters will want and offer different things.  

 

In the NWN module that I've been working on for a very long time, I've tried to put a lot of variety into the romances, and this isn't just at the level of orientation.  Following the lead of Andarian's Sanctum of the Archmage series, I made the actual gender of some characters different based on one's version of the module.  (I would have been very dubious of this before playing Andarian's module, but he really won me over.  These characters' personalities, backgrounds and motivations were ultimately more important than whether they were male or female, although being male or female did introduce small variations here and there.)  Some of my romanceable characters want open relationships, some are happy to take things as they come without worrying about the future, others want monogamy without marriage, and still others want marriage and won't sleep with the protagonist until married.  Some romanceable characters will also be more or less committed to certain factions, alignments, and ways of life.  How the romance will go will, naturally, depend partially on what the player character wants from a relationship, their faction alignment, their views on how to achieve objectives, etc.  Some characters will be willing to forego some of their own requirements or desires if that's what it takes to be with the PC, while others won't bend.

 

Anyway, I mention all this because I'd be interested to see something like this in DA:I, and I wonder if this talk of complexity might presage similar things.   In absolute fairness, it is hard to add so many variables.  It is a part of why my module is not finished yet.  Good old feature creep!   ;)  Nonetheless, I do wonder if some romanceable DA:I characters might not be willing to form a romantic relationship with an Inquisitor who has very different values from them or wants something very different from life. Alternatively, there might be a special attraction for some when the Inquisitor is very different to what they're accustomed to.  For some, maybe, a fling during the current conflict might be fine regardless, but in the long term they might feel differently, etc.

 

In any case, time will tell - and, with any luck, I'll be able to avoid most of the info related to the topic I've just discussed, and be surprised by my first playthrough.   :)



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so, this is my first time posting, i didn't plan to do it but this kind of topic..

 

i don't know. i don't want to get into an opinion war, but i literally never understood the need to limit users in terms of sexualities. if someone wants to play a straight romance, they can just... romance the character with an Inquisitor of the opposite gender? do they lose out on anything if that character is also romanceable by the same sex? do they get anything out of that character being exclusive to the opposite sex? you want that character to be exclusively straight in your game, you go for it. exclusively gay? yep, you got it.

 

and yet here we are. and please don't give me the realism point; that's the last thing i'd like to hear about a game where demons fall from the sky, especially taking into account the fact many people use video games as a form of escapism. sexualities are also not a part of someone's personality, and before i hear another 'four bisexuals together?!' argument... yeah, okay. me and my 6 queer friends, sitting here creating an existential anomaly. okay.


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I read this as the LI upon seeing the character was bisexual would refuse to date them for...reasons.

 

I've known a few people like that, truth be told. Friend of mine is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian because of the political climate where she lives, the lesbian community discriminates against bisexuals. Sees them as afraid of commitment or some such.

 

Things like that are also part of why I'm against limiting options in favor of "realism", because that opens a flood gate. Where do you stop? Where do you draw that line? Because the reasons people will refuse to sleep with someone are much more numerous than what's between their legs.


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Not a fan, tbh. I'm already not really a fan of most of the female characters, so having to move around their set sexuality will make finding a romance path I like even harder.



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You could interpretate that in very different ways. Maybe with a maleHawke Isabella is powerplaying, while with a female she doesn't. The Cass comment to Varric is really subtle and in no way tells us anything about the way Cass swagg.

 

I supousse that you could only talk about retconning if the NPCs actively refused romances because of gender reasons in DAO (I'm thinking in Morrigan if you try to hit her with a female Warden) and suddenly that is changed. Even that...

:huh:

 

I don't think you read all of my posts.  I even stated earlier that a comment by Varric about Cassandra getting a case "Hero Worship" for a female Hawke and the goofy look on Cassandra's face told me nothing about her sexual orientation.  I also never mentioned retconning, nor got into Isabela's reasons for making that comment.  It just didn't seem like something either gender would find all that flattering, that's all.



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I'm going to agree that romancing a character with a male PC is not the same as romancing them with a female one. It's not as romantic or emotionally engaging to me.
 

 

Yeah. It doesn't feel equal to me.



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No. You know what I would do? Not romance anyone.

 

I'd accept this for what it is even if say for example my favorite character in the entire series, Morrigan, was lesbian in Origins. I'm not overly interested in Leliana so I wouldn't have romanced anyone.

 

Well looks like romances aren't as important to you as they are to others. That's fine, too. Personally I'd be pretty gutted if DAI didn't have anyone I found worthy of romancing.



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Yes. Quite right. But they couldn`t date straight people of their own gender. Or gay people of the opposite gender. (I think that is right? I got myself all confused now).

Um, I think you're confusing yourself, because I know you're puzzling me.  I'm pansexual.  My husband is a straight man.  So there really isn't anyone a bi/pansexual "can or cannot date" within the LGBTQ community or among heterosexuals.  It's all up to personal preference, as it is with gay or straight people.  It's not any sort of rule, unspoken or otherwise, that you must only date other pan or bisexuals and cannot have relationships outside of that.



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Personally, as someone who's pretty sure he is going to get what he wants as far as romances go, I don't find what amounts to "suck it up and be happy with what they give you" to be a satisfactory answer to those who are afraid they aren't going to get what they want.

 

At this point I think it's safe to assume that the romances are set in stone, so nothing we say here is going to change what's in DAI and we're going to have to be happy with what we get, but I think everyone here has the right to voice their opinion on this issue in the hopes that their preferred system will be used in the next game.


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Um, I think you're confusing yourself, because I know you're puzzling me.  I'm pansexual.  My husband is a straight man.  So there really isn't anyone a bi/pansexual "can or cannot date" within the LGBTQ community or among heterosexuals.  It's all up to personal preference, not any sort of rule, unspoken or otherwise.

 

What I mean is: A gay man wouldn`t romance a bisexual woman. Because he is into guys. And so forth. Its about what the non-bi would do.

 

What is pansexual, anyway? Language barrier moment (English isn`t my first language).



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Um, I think you're confusing yourself, because I know you're puzzling me.  I'm pansexual.  My husband is a straight man.  So there really isn't anyone a bi/pansexual "can or cannot date" within the LGBTQ community or among heterosexuals.  It's all up to personal preference, as it is with straight people.  It's not any sort of rule, unspoken or otherwise, that you must only date other pan or bisexuals and cannot have relationships outside of that.

 

I think his point is that you, as a pansexual woman, couldn't date a heterosexual woman because she simply wouldn't be interested in you, as an example.

 

I'm not entirely sure that's what he actually said as I got turned around a bit in there, myself, but I do believe that was the gist of it.


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