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#176
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Those other Seekers are jogging while she keeps running, so of course she seems faster.

 

But we are offtopic. This is about the explosion, not Dawn of the Seeker. 

Oh god like to child... As i said sprint in heavy armor just nope slow run yep sprint nope... in fact as i said other seekers were much more realistic when she was well not...



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Easier than this?

That's funny.



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Oh god like to child... As i said sprint in heavy armor just nope slow run yep sprint nope... in fact as i said other seekers were much more realistic when she was well not...

Well, aren't you being more childish by continuing the argument? <_<

Sprinting in armor is possible. Fact. Case closed. We're done. Good day.



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Well, aren't you being more childish by continuing the argument? <_<

Well i had hope at least in human mind despite my low opinion about human kind now i don't i was trying but logic and reality are unwelcome here sadly ;)



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She was fighting with 1 mature dragon not high dragon (only high dragon was in the end and she didn't kill him only pride demon that she couldn't even scratch).Not to mention that only the warden could know where ashes were in some games.

 

But Arl Eamon, his family and his knights know that the ashes exist and that can be accessed, because that was the only way for the Warden to cure him. As long as they spill the beans, that would encourage any Indiana Jones wannabe in Thedas to keep looking for the Sacred Ashes. And the search would be easier too, since the first clue would be to ask about Warden sightings during the Fifth Blight and then compare that with Sacred Ashes lore.

 

Not to talk about Genitivi. The Warden didn't discover the place, it was Genitivi. The Warden just followed his trail. Although the cultists went great lengths to erase his research, Genitivi could have informed other scholars of his findings, or leave enough clues behind for others to follow in his footsteps.

 

By the way, talking about combat in ehavy armor, someone posted this as a reference a while ago:


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But Arl Eamon, his family and his knights know that the ashes exist and that can be accessed, because that was the only way for the Warden to cure him. As long as they spill the beans, that would encourage any Indiana Jones wannabe in Thedas to keep looking for the Sacred Ashes. And the search would be easier too, since the first clue would be to ask about Warden sightings during the Fifth Blight and then compare that with Sacred Ashes lore.

 

Not to talk about Genitivi. The Warden didn't discover the place, it was Genitivi. The Warden just followed his trail. Although the cultists went great lengths to erase his research, Genitivi could have informed other scholars of his findings, or leave enough clues behind for others to follow in his footsteps.

Knights didn't even know where seek it hell they didn't even belived in that existence only few managed reach haven thanks to Genetivi well more thanks to set up cultist in Genetivi house and they were killed all of them.Genitivi never discavered where urn was himself he found it accidentally he then cultists caught him when he was asking about urn then only then he knew about urn and cultists.

 

And i never said that warden did that neither genitivi both just went to haven not knowing where is urn or even about cultists well in fact the warden had probably more informations as s/he encountered cultists before. Another matter if you threatening him he is rather desperate to tell world about urn even to point he was ready to die for it.So he didn't had something to tell another until he went to haven and then well you know the story.



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Knights didn't even know where seek it hell they didn't even belived in that existence only few managed reach haven thanks to Genetivi well more thanks to set up cultist in Genetivi house and they were killed all of them.Genitivi never discavered where urn was himself he found it accidentally he then cultists caught him when he was asking about urn then only then he knew about urn and cultists.

 

Once the Warden comes back with the ashes, even the most skeptical knight has to accept they exist. From that point until DA:I there are 10 years, enough to do a good search.

 

And i never said that warden did that neither genitivi both just went to haven not knowing where is urn or even about cultists well in fact the warden had probably more informations as s/he encountered cultists before. Another matter if you threatening him he is rather desperate to tell world about urn even to point he was ready to die for it.So he didn't had something to tell another until he went to haven and then well you know the story.

 

Of course, neither the Warden nor Genitivi knew where the Urn was... because they were looking for it! That's the point of the search. But why Haven? Because it was mentioned in Genitivi's research:

http://dragonage.wik...tivi's_Research

 

That's the only way to follow the trail. Even if Genitivi was just trying every possible option, he had guessed right. Desperation or not to tell the world about the place, if one followed Genitivi's research they would find the urn sooner or later.



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Following clues just like Genetivi did. As I said, they won't know exact spot since cultist told Genetivi that bu they can know the general location and have an expedition there. 

 

Simply investigating Genetivi's disappearance/murder would have lead the Chantry to Haven...that is actually what the Warden did.


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Once the Warden comes back with the ashes, even the most skeptical knight has to accept they exist. From that point until DA:I there are 10 years, enough to do a good search.

 

 

Of course, neither the Warden nor Genitivi knew where the Urn was... because they were looking for it! That's the point of the search. But why Haven? Because it was mentioned in Genitivi's research:

http://dragonage.wik...tivi's_Research

 

That's the only way to follow the trail. Even if Genitivi was just trying every possible option, he had guessed right. Desperation or not to tell the world about the place, if one followed Genitivi's research they would find the urn sooner or later.

1.Well and who knows about ashes teagan and arl eamon and it isn't even confirmed pretty much it was only rumor that warden used that.Not mention that as i said Genitivi was searching this for his entire life and lets say that guy was expert in that.Not mention that book was taken by the warden every person that knew about it was killed possible including cultists so pretty much if they were extremely lucky to even find haven pretty much nothing left there or even if someone went there he shared Genitivi fate if cultist were alive. 

 

2.As i said he had nothing besides haven village (and he spend entire life searching urn) nothing more point when he got something was where cultist told him about it and only then and well then his knowledge was useless.It wasn't found for more than 1000 years if that so easy it would be rather found sooner...

 

 

 

Simply investigating Genetivi's disappearance/murder would have lead the Chantry to Haven...that is actually what the Warden did.

And how they would know about that if there is no one to tell them about that?



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1.Well and who knows about ashes teagan and arl eamon and it isn't even confirmed pretty much it was only rumor that warden used that.Not mention that as i said Genitivi was searching this for his entire life and lets say that guy was expert in that.Not mention that book was taken by the warden every person that knew about it was killed possible including cultists so pretty much if they were extremely lucky to even find haven pretty much nothing left there or even if someone went there he shared Genitivi fate if cultist were alive. 

 

It's not a rumour when Teagan and Eamon (and Isolde, if alive) are there to witness the cure and tell the tale.

 

Also, the book was taken by the Warden, yes, but we're discussing the possibility of Genitivi sending copies to other scholars. After all, we know of lost books and lore in real life because the authors sent letters about them to friends and other scholars.

 

2.As i said he had nothing besides haven village (and he spend entire life searching urn) nothing more point when he got something was where cultist told him about it and only then and well then his knowledge was useless.It wasn't found for more than 1000 years if that so easy it would be rather found sooner...

Read the provided link, please. No, wait, I'll put it here for you:

 

Amidst ramblings about local legends and ancient trade routes, one passage stands out. "The village of Haven in the Frostbacks seems a good place to start. Pity it's not on any maps."

 

"A good place to start". Haven wasn't the only possible localization he had in mind, just the most likely in his eyes. Cultists never told him anything until he reached Haven, so the previous work was his and his alone.

 

And how they would know about that if there is no one to tell them about that?

 

Remember, Teagan and Eamon are alive to tell that the Warden used the sacred ashes to cure the Arl.



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It's not a rumour when Teagan and Eamon (and Isolde, if alive) are there to witness the cure and tell the tale.

 

Also, the book was taken by the Warden, yes, but we're discussing the possibility of Genitivi sending copies to other scholars. After all, we know of lost books and lore in real life because the authors sent letters about them to friends and other scholars.

 

Read the provided link, please. No, wait, I'll put it here for you:

 

Amidst ramblings about local legends and ancient trade routes, one passage stands out. "The village of Haven in the Frostbacks seems a good place to start. Pity it's not on any maps."

 

"A good place to start". Haven wasn't the only possible localization he had in mind, just the most likely in his eyes. Cultists never told him anything until he reached Haven, so the previous work was his and his alone.

 

 

Remember, Teagan and Eamon are alive to tell that the Warden used the sacred ashes to cure the Arl.

 

And who will belive them hm? I could say that i was cured by holy grail guess who would belive me even if that was true...

As i said he didn't had anything on that level only haven there is 0 reason send that to someone when you didn't discavered anything...

It says practically 0 references to the ashes it was blind shoot he had as i said he only know about urn from cultists after they caputred him it was only step forward that he couldn't.

 

And as i said Teagan and Eamon (who was unconscious) had 0 info about that just warden saying here have ashes nothing more...



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And who will belive them hm? I could say that i was cured by holy grail guess who would belive me even if that was true...

As i said he didn't had anything on that level only haven there is 0 reason send that to someone when you didn't discavered anything...

It says practically 0 references to the ashes it was blind shoot he had as i said he only know about urn from cultists after they caputred him it was only step forward that he couldn't.

 

And as i said Teagan and Eamon (who was unconscious) had 0 info about that just warden saying here have ashes nothing more...

 

Someone like the Warden would believe. Remember that we look for the Sacred Ashes because Teagan (and Isolde, if alive) tells us that they're the only way to cure Eamon. So yes, the Warden did believe. And if the Warden could, why not others?


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Someone like the Warden would believe. Remember that we look for the Sacred Ashes because Teagan (and Isolde, if alive) tells us that they're the only way to cure Eamon. So yes, the Warden did believe. And if the Warden could, why not others?

Not rly warden could belive or he could express that urn is only myth but it was forced on him (by plot) and pretty much s/he can said that to sten. As i said no one belived in that nor warden had to (as it is your protagonist s/he can belive in what you want and thanks for that because it is RPG).

 

Besides that the warden can kill genitivi for that reason so urn could stay myth so warden could in such case just tell that it wasn't truth and pretty much it stays myth...



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Not rly warden could belive or he could express that urn is only myth but it was forced on him (by plot) and pretty much s/he can said that to sten. As i said no one belived in that nor warden had to (as it is your protagonist s/he can belive in what you want and thanks for that because it is RPG).

 

Besides that the warden can kill genitivi for that reason so urn could stay myth so warden could in such case just tell that it wasn't truth and pretty much it stays myth...

 

That seals the deal even more, don't you think so? With no proof that the urn exists, with no other accounting than lore from a thousand years ago, and with a very skeptical Warden that follows the trail just because some nobles are desperate to cure one of their own in the middle of a war, STILL there were people looking for the urn.

 

So, in a time of peace, following clues left behind by a famous Chantry scholar and with (at least) two nobles swearing that the Hero of Ferelden used the ashes to cure the Arl, is it that difficult to believe that a more pious adventurer (like Leliana herself) wouldn't try to find them with better luck than others before the Warden?

 

The Epilogue in DA:O provides a good situation for that:

Rumors that the Urn of Sacred Ashes had been found, and that it was used to heal Arl Eamon of his poisoning, circulated in Ferelden in the months following the darkspawn defeat... slowly, at first, and then with growing frequency as the grand cleric failed to deny them.

 

Rumours, rumours everywhere, stronger than ever. Ok, epilogues may not be used when Bioware isn't interested, but since it's Bioware who is interested in using that place for DA:I, that would provide a nice explanation for why anyone looked for and found the ruins. And this is only for an instance where the Warden killed Genitivi and Leliana wasn't in the party (as in 'she wasn' recruited at all').



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Interesting that Alistair being a Templar didn't really believe the Urn existed either until you find it.  I'll be more interested to find out if you sided with cultist how the dragon was dealt with for Inquisition.  Didn't the dragon go on a killing spree in one of the epilogue slides?  I seem to remember that it did if you sided with cultists.



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That seals the deal even more, don't you think so? With no proof that the urn exists, with no other accounting than lore from a thousand years ago, and with a very skeptical Warden that follows the trail just because some nobles are desperate to cure one of their own in the middle of a war, STILL there were people looking for the urn.

 

So, in a time of peace, following clues left behind by a famous Chantry scholar and with (at least) two nobles swearing that the Hero of Ferelden used the ashes to cure the Arl, is it that difficult to believe that a more pious adventurer (like Leliana herself) wouldn't try to find them with better luck than others before the Warden?

 

The Epilogue in DA:O provides a good situation for that:

Rumors that the Urn of Sacred Ashes had been found, and that it was used to heal Arl Eamon of his poisoning, circulated in Ferelden in the months following the darkspawn defeat... slowly, at first, and then with growing frequency as the grand cleric failed to deny them.

 

Rumours, rumours everywhere, stronger than ever. Ok, epilogues may not be used when Bioware isn't interested, but since it's Bioware who is interested in using that place for DA:I, that would provide a nice explanation for why anyone looked for and found the ruins. And this is only for an instance where the Warden killed Genitivi and Leliana wasn't in the party (as in 'she wasn' recruited at all').

Nope it was like "we need another main quest" "ok done now players will have to search urn even if they don't belive" .

 

As i said there is no clues warden took his book and he is dead along with his assistant.(yeah 1 noble that never have seen them and 1 noble that claim that yeah as i said do will you belive me if i tell you that aliens cured me? better example leliana claims that she speaks with maker do any belived her?)

 

Leliana went to orlais if you didn't took her to your party not mention that she was spying for divine and wasn't in ferelden since then as she said in da 2.

 

And as i said how she/anyone found anything without research even by the warden it was found by luck. 

 

Epilogues are mostly rumors that were proven false in most cases and how grand cleric wouldn't denay that heh even chantry negate that but as i said epilogues are worth little (sadly)



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It was Anders. It is his MO.

He probably approached another poor gullible fool and was like "I need lyrium for a potion. Then Boom, Justice and I are free."


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It was Anders. It is his MO.

He probably approached another poor gullible fool and was like "I need lyrium for a potion. Then Boom, Justice and I are free."

 

Anders is dead.



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What if somebody tried to recreate something similar to what the ancient magisters did?

That mountain is full of potent lyrium and then you have thousands of sacrifice.
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What if somebody tried to recreate something similar to what the ancient magisters did?

That mountain is full of potent lyrium and then you have thousands of sacrifice.

 

Are you suggesting that the villain in Inquisition sacrificed the "thousands" that Cassandra mentions in order to create the Breach? Wow, that could be true! The implications are disturbing. And reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist. 



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Anders is dead.

 

It was a joke.


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What if somebody tried to recreate something similar to what the ancient magisters did?

That mountain is full of potent lyrium and then you have thousands of sacrifice.

and people are surprised that i want kill mages ;)



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Are you suggesting that the villain in Inquisition sacrificed the "thousands" that Cassandra mentions in order to create the Breach? Wow, that could be true! The implications are disturbing. And reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist. 

 

That is a villain worth chasing.



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Are you suggesting that the villain in Inquisition sacrificed the "thousands" that Cassandra mentions in order to create the Breach? Wow, that could be true! The implications are disturbing. And reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist. 

I swear, if the Final Villain wants to devour the Maker...



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and people are surprised that i want kill mages ;)

 

If the final boss happens to be a rogue, I'm going to laugh :D

 

I swear, if the Final Villain wants to devour the Maker...

 

Well, it's not a new idea, even in Thedas. Didn't the Magisters try to usurp the Maker's power by entering the Golden City?

 

But yeah, the question is: what would anyone gain by creating a Breach? Is it that the villain has something personal against the world? Or that there is something he or she wants and the only way to get it is by making the Breach swallow the material world?