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[CosmicGnosis]

I have an issue right now. I'm preparing for my canon playthrough of Dragon Age: Origins, the canon that I will import to Dragon Age II and Dragon Age: Inquisition. One of the most important choices I have to make is the romance: Leliana vs. Morrigan. I prefer Morrigan's strong mind and rationality, but I hate her disregard for the weak. And although it is possible to "soften" her by pursuing her romance, her softer side doesn't apply to any quest decisions in the main game. So I feel very conflicted about making Morrigan my canon romance. I could choose Leliana, but I'm more attracted to Morrigan's independence, and her story is, frankly, more interesting.

 

So I hope that Inquisition's Morrigan is less brutal. I don't want her character to be fundamentally changed, but I want her to have gained some sympathy for those less powerful than her. But I have to prepare my canon playthrough now, so that it will be ready for Inquisition. I'll be making this decision without knowing where Morrigan's development goes in the future.

 

My canon decisions are always decisions that I would personally make if the situations were real. So for those of you who do the same, and choose Morrigan as your canon love interest, how do you rationalize your romance with her?

[Nefla]

They come together 'cause opposites attract?

[Hydromatic]

The opportunity to change someone for the better i find very appealing. And i do think Morrigan has gotten more sympathetic since last we saw her (Especially if you romance her in Origins.)

 

That's not to say she's all rainbows and flowers now. But more sympathetic and less cold i'm sure.

 

Whether it's worth it is ultimately up to you though

[Ap0crypha]

Well, I think your Origins may have a play in it. My Warden was Dalish, so he bonded with her over their mutual dislike of the Chantry, respect for the old ways, etc, and eventually was able to stop seeing her as a "shem" and more as a romantic partner. Him being morally ambiguous himself certainly helped.

 

But don't let your Warden being a good guy stop you from romancing her! There are certainly several reasons for him to be attracted to a woman such as her, whether it's just a physical desire that evolves into emotional attachment, a desire to show her love/redemption/kindness, intrigue about her way of living, etc.

 

And I, like many, am looking forward to how the romance will have caused her personality to involve!

[ohmyashlee]

There isn't much depth to my decision really. I chose to pursue Morrigan as a LI for my male Warden because I liked her personality. She was brutally honest about her opinions and I loved her sharp intellect and sarcasm. Yeah, she wasn't the sympathetic type when it came to the weak, but I think that had a lot to do with her upbringing with Flemmeth. Take it or leave it, she's an interesting character and personally I found it it was fun getting to know her better. You see a different side to her once she starts to let her guard down, but regardless she has her own motivations and goals in the end.  

[BobZilla84]

I romanced Morrigan with my Elf Mage and like the OP I played it as I would if I was the one making the choices and I found Morrigan and My Warden had very different opinions on everything and I do mean everything.

 

But in the end my warden loved her so he accepted her exactly as she was even though they were like Fire and Water they never agreed  on anything at all but in the end he went with her to be with her and their son. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

How does one ever rationalize love?

[DarthLaxian]

The opportunity to change someone for the better i find very appealing. And i do think Morrigan has gotten more sympathetic since last we saw her (Especially if you romance her in Origins.)

 

That's not to say she's all rainbows and flowers now. But more sympathetic and less cold i'm sure.

 

Whether it's worth it is ultimately up to you though

 

strange, that is exactly what I am not after (I don't romance people in RL because I want to change them either...I find trying to do this repulsive!)

 

That's exactly why I like Morrigan:

 

She has her own oppinion(s) and does voice that quite often (hell, she only holds those weaker then herself in contempt, she does not actively prey on them or kill them for fun...which I consider ok, after all, she grew up with a mother who is a lot more vicious then she could ever be IMO...unless you really hurt her - physically...but then you would have to overpower her, which would probably not be easy as she knows all sorts of magics (bloodmagic, too I think) etc.).

 

Other then that, she is no chantry dog (sorry, Leliana, but being unable to see the faults of the chantry and being a blind devote does not win you points!) either (hell, she is probably as close to an ATHEIST as you can get in the games and for me, that is something I like very much)...

 

So, you get a strong, independent woman, with her own mind, great looks (I think she is HOT!) and magic to boot (another turn on, even more so as my characters tend to be mages - and I don't know if I would go after a woman less gifted then I myself am because she would always be at a dissadvantage and not be fully part of my life (non-mages can't really comprehend magic IMO))...what's not to like about that?

 

greetings LAX

[TheKomandorShepard]

i don't unless it was only for lust any person who seeks love or healthy relationship or whatever shouldn't chose morrigan so i wouldn't be surprised if she killed the warden after WH if he went with her.That would be pretty much lesson that you shouldn't go for partner that would sel you to demons for power.

[Maria Caliban]

 

My canon decisions are always decisions that I would personally make if the situations were real. So for those of you who do the same, and choose Morrigan as your canon love interest, how do you rationalize your romance with her?

 

I rolled a male PC who slept with her right after Ostigar but deleted that playthrough immediately after getting the Morrigan Romance achievement.

 

I played a female PC who might have romanced her given the chance, but obviously couldn't. They did become friends even though I tend to pick shiny paladin types. This is because Morrigan's evilness is the product of a very specific, limited background. One that lacked any sort of healthy emotional connection.

 

My mindset was that as long as Morrigan wasn't running around doing evil things (and she doesn't if you play a good PC) then there's time and room to change. Let's give her friends. Let's take her to that ocean she's never seen. Let's introduce her to those people and places she's only read about in books. Let's show her time and again that working with others is beneficial and that helping others doesn't rob you of strength. Let's listen to her and give her a place where she can express her thoughts and opinions while also telling her how you view things.

 

Morrigan isn't a sadist. She's not out there hurting people because that how she gets her jollies off. She's more the amoral sort who sees some evil acts as the path of least resistance. If anything, she seems more interested in isolating herself.

 

The aim is not to turn her into a 'good' person, simply one who can care for and appreciate others and understand she's cared for and appreciated in return. 

 

Hmm... not sure I answered the question.

 

I can rationalize romancing her because while her viewpoint is 'evil' it's not malicious. I don't see her murdering people to take their coins or attempting to kill all the mages/templars, etc. Nor is what she does dangerous to those around her like say... playing around with a magical mirror with a demon in it. She's mostly disinterested in helping others and willing to harm/kill to protect herself. That's not ideal, but that's still a viewpoint I can appreciate, especially from someone whose very existence means society at large wants them dead/imprisoned.

 

 

How does one ever rationalize love?

 

He's not asking us to rationalize love but rationalize pursuing an attraction to a specific person.

 

I was once attracted to a woman with a serious drug habit. I didn't pursue that attraction because I knew said habit would make the relationship unworkable for me.

 

I think most adults have been attracted to someone attainable but not started a relationship with them because they saw a serious conflict of interests. A healthy, heroic type having a relationship with someone who's a heartless mass murderer is difficult to justify.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I rolled a male PC who slept with her right after Ostigar but deleted that playthrough immediately after getting the Morrigan Romance achievement.

 

I played a female PC who might have romanced her given the chance, but obviously couldn't. They did become friends even though I tend to pick shiny paladin types. This is because Morrigan's evilness is the product of a very specific, limited background. One that lacked any sort of healthy emotional connection.

 

My mindset was that as long as Morrigan wasn't running around doing evil things (and she doesn't if you play a good PC) then there's time and room to change. Let's give her friends. Let's take her to that ocean she's never seen. Let's introduce her to those people and places she's only read about in books. Let's show her time and again that working with others is beneficial and that helping others doesn't rob you of strength. Let's listen to her and give her a place where she can express her thoughts and opinions while also telling her how you view things.

 

Morrigan isn't a sadist. She's not out there hurting people because that how she gets her jollies off. She's more the amoral sort who sees some evil acts as the path of least resistance. If anything, she seems more interested in isolating herself.

 

The aim is not to turn her into a 'good' person, simply one who can care for and appreciate others and understand she's cared for and appreciated in return. 

 

Hmm... not sure I answered the question.

 

I can rationalize romancing her because while her viewpoint is 'evil' it's not malicious. I don't see her murdering people to take their coins or attempting to kill all the mages/templars, etc. Nor is what she does dangerous to those around her like say... playing around with a magical mirror with a demon in it. She's mostly disinterested in helping others and willing to harm/kill to protect herself. That's not ideal, but that's still a viewpoint I can appreciate, especially from someone whose very existence means society at large wants them dead/imprisoned.

That's how it went for me.  My first character, a Dalish elf, romanced Leliana.  I didn't trust her, didn't want to give her the grimoire (tried to give it to Wynne), and didn't keep her around.  My second playthrough, I decided to get to know her.  She's now my favorite romance.

 

The wiki describes her as "vulnerable."  She's practical, as she sees it, not inherently evil.

[Han Shot First]

You don't necessarily have to choose between Leliana and Morrigan.

[EmperorSahlertz]

 

He's not asking us to rationalize love but rationalize pursuing an attraction to a specific person.

 

I was once attracted to a woman with a serious drug habit. I didn't pursue that attraction because I knew said habit would make the relationship unworkable for me.

 

I think most adults have been attracted to someone attainable but not started a relationship with them because they saw a serious conflict of interests. A healthy, heroic type having a relationship with someone who's a heartless mass murderer is difficult to justify.

Sometimes you don't have a choice on the matter.

[TheBreadedOne]

She gotta booty like pow!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The voice.

[TheJediSaint]

I like women with black hair.  What?

[franciscoamell]

Just go for Zevran instead!

[KC_Prototype]

My Cousland was a good guy and was captivated by her beauty. He was also intrigued about her and wanted to be with her. He also just wanted to put good in her as Wynne was saying to Alistair. 

[Orian Tabris]

I romanced Morrigan with my Elf Mage and like the OP I played it as I would if I was the one making the choices and I found Morrigan and My Warden had very different opinions on everything and I do mean everything.

 

But in the end my warden loved her so he accepted her exactly as she was even though they were like Fire and Water they never agreed  on anything at all but in the end he went with her to be with her and their son. 

 

This seems like it would work very well. Opposites sometimes attract, and learning to love each other's differences is something only people with a keen sense for humanity/morality (such as Morrigan) can overlook, or the people who come to understand each other in the end, even when they don't agree on things.

 

It's not a question of "Do they make sense from the perspective of the viewer?" it's a question of "Can they love each other for who they are?" If Morrigan and the Warden can love each other for their differences and who they are, then there's no reason why they can't work together as a couple.

[Orian Tabris]

You don't necessarily have to choose between Leliana and Morrigan.

 

It's not about the choices available, it's about the OP's own choice. The OP wants to romance Morrigan with a good character, but they want it to make sense to them, hence wanting to know how others rationalise the concept.

[KainD]

How does one ever rationalize love?

 

True love is rational, a conscious choice, not the butterfly feelings and hormones clouding your mind. 

[BlueMagitek]

Alcohol and self denial?

 

I mean, she's pretty open about using you, so... fulfilling your vice to get back a willpower?  I dunno.

[AlanC9]

True love is rational, a conscious choice, not the butterfly feelings and hormones clouding your mind.

News to me. Got any examples?

[BubbleDncr]

My good, dwarf noble had to turn down the dark ritual even though he was in a romance with her, because he didn't think it was right. 

 

It was tragic. I knew it was coming, and that stopped me from making Loghain join the grey wardens, cos I couldn't have him lose both his girl and his best friend both on account of being noble....too much sad right before he'd die. 

[DaySeeker]

I'm not sure the term "romance" even applies to Morrigan.  She is committed to her task, and quite honestly, to keeping you off balance.  She often takes contrary opinions which I believe she does to see how much sway she has over you.  She might enjoy being physical with you, but I'm not sure she even knows where her true feelings are because she isso wrapped up in her own secrets and plans.

 

Your warden could be completely blind to any of this.