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[Sjofn]

Honestly it sounds like you've already got rationalizations handy already. You say your canon choices generally reflect what you think you would do in a situation, and it sounds like YOU would be far more attracted to Morrigan over Leliana. So why, even though you consider her "evil" (which I don't), are you attracted to her? Why are you even considering it?

 

For me, rationalizing it was pretty easy. He liked how strong and outspoken she was, and he suspected she wasn't as heartless as she claimed to be. He didn't want to change her, exactly, but he hoped to show her that no, caring about other people doesn't make you weak. She'd make noise about how he's an idiot, but she never stopped him, she never worked against him, or anything like that. Her rolling her eyes at helping people wasn't a dealbreaker for my Warden, because she would help if I said we were helping. Even though her words might not support you completely, her actions well, which is far more important, in my opinion. When you decide to save Redcliffe, she thinks you're making a mistake, but she doesn't stomp off to your camp. She sticks around and helps you do it. Get what I'm sayin'?

 

And in the end, she may not be ready to work at a soup kitchen for the rest of her life, but she admits that maybe it's not a weakness to care about others after all. The two of them grew together as a couple, and that was pretty nice.

 

(then he died, because I am mean )

[TheForgottenOne]

So I hope that Inquisition's Morrigan is less brutal. I don't want her character to be fundamentally changed, but I want her to have gained some sympathy for those less powerful than her. But I have to prepare my canon playthrough now, so that it will be ready for Inquisition. I'll be making this decision without knowing where Morrigan's development goes in the future.

 

I think a part of Morrigan's character depends on how you deal with her in Witch Hunt. Let's say you romanced her and then stabbed her, then I feel she will be cold, calculating, unforgiving... But if you went with her through the portal then she may be softer.

But this may not affect the storyline much. Just a few dialogues when you speak with her (if you speak with her)

[dragonflight288]

My Amell Warden was drawn by the idea of magic practiced outside of templar scrutiny, learning magics that the Chantry say is impossible that isn't blood magic, got drawn to her in magical discussions, and eventually saw past the wall she built around herself and genuinely came to care for her. 

[Sir Froggie]

Because all the ladies want to get with an Aeducan, and an Aeducan wants to get with all the ladies.

[Setiweb]

And although it is possible to "soften" her by pursuing her romance, her softer side doesn't apply to any quest decisions in the main game.

Her softer side is reason enough.

[Ryzaki]

Alcohol and self denial?

 

I mean, she's pretty open about using you, so... fulfilling your vice to get back a willpower?  I dunno.

 

Yeah I romanced her once with a white knight but he refused to do the DR with her and that was the end of that romance. LOL.

[Uccio]

You don't necessarily have to choose between Leliana and Morrigan.

I did't. Little juggling with timed conversations and well placed gifts, and voilà! Two romances, don't have to give up either of them.

[superdeathdealer14]

My Warden was a arsehole and she was a b****.

 

We're a match made in heaven, or hell, depending on how you look at it.

[oceanicsurvivor]

In the beginning she just seems super interesting/awesomely sarcastic. As you get to know her you see a lot more humanity and vulnerability in her. And by the end, there is certainly a strong case to be made that she did 100% love your Warden, but her job still came first. I always appreciated that you couldn't talk her out of it/into staying. She always had her own agenda and agency, and I think that is really great.  I've never viewed her as a monster; she is dedicated, matter of fact, and judgmental. Flawed sure, but you could just as easily ask how one could be attracted to Leliana and Zev since their pasts involve them being hired killers.

 

Morrigan was complicated which was fun. Also, she never suggested keeping my eyelashes in a jar.

[Sir Froggie]

Holy crap I forgot about Leliana's creepy stalker vibe. That seals the deal right there Morrigan is the less crazy of the two ladies.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't. The heart wants what the heart wants.

[WhiteJoker]

Depends, are we talking about a "good" in the superhero sense where there's "always another way" and hard choices don't really happen because if you just try hard enough you can do anything?  Or are we talking about good in a world where you have to choose to save a mother or their newborn child because you're only human and can't save both even if you had the resources?

 

If you mean the former then, as mentioned by others, there's always the hope that you can redeem her.  Personally, I hate that option because it seems to me what you enjoy about her has little to do with her and everything to do with her being a project.

 

If you mean the latter, well, I viewed that as spirited opposition.  In the latter context what Morrigan voices is often heartless but it tends more towards pragmatic self-interest as opposed to outright evil (not always certainly, given Flemeth's influence and inclinations, but it could be far worse) and in that sense her opinions I feel are very important to a "good" character seeking to do good.  In many ways her opinions and thoughts are like those of Loghain's and Sten's, but without the baggage that comes with Loghain and Sten's fairly alien and ill-defined belief system which he never frigging explains, they allow you to question your own views and figure out if what you want to do is really right and good, or if you're just doing it because you want people to like you.  Idealism and good intentions are important but so is somebody who looks at it completely differently and is willing to tell you why.  Explaining in excrutiating detail is pretty nice too, though I could have done with less belittling. 

 

So in that respect, when I had a good warden who romanced her I appreciated the foil she represented.  Similarly I felt that I was acting as a foil to her, tempering her negativity and darker impulses through my own example, much as how her advice kept me from doing things which, while nice, could negatively impact on our goal of saving the world.  And hey, once I do save the world, I can always come back and donate some extra money to that chantry.

[Maria Caliban]

Also, she never suggested keeping my eyelashes in a jar.

 

I don't hold that against her.

[Ryzaki]

Holy crap I forgot about Leliana's creepy stalker vibe. That seals the deal right there Morrigan is the less crazy of the two ladies.

 

Right because a ring that can track your location is less creepy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

well lets be honest da gives us rather psychotic peoples to romance well with 1 exception alistair i wouldn't mind someone mentally sustainable.

[Sir Froggie]

I did say less crazy, and yeah the ring is less creepy than the eyelash thing.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I don't agree. Especially not when she later wants to have your kid, replace it's soul with a old god's and run off and raise it on her own. That's far creepier than "I want to put your eyelashes in a jar".

[oceanicsurvivor]

I don't hold that against her.

I like Leliana and am super excited to see her return. It was just an awkward line imo is all.

[Sir Froggie]

Fair enough.

[Maria Caliban]

I don't have anything against love interests or companions who are dealing with various issues. People have problems, characters have dramatic problems.

 

In many works of fiction, the main character undergoes internal conflict and has to deal with psychological/emotional issues. BioWare can't provide that sort of narrative arc without imposing on the PC. They tried it in ME 3 (the child visions) and not only did it fail, there was something of a backlash.

 

In BioWare games, the companions tend to get most of the character moments. Sten learning to appreciate some non-qunari. Oghren putting his life together after becoming a drunk. Fenris dealing with life outside of slavery. There are times I think BioWare handled things poorly - Jack's emotional issues seeming to be 'fixed' because of Shepard's love rubbed me the wrong way. Yet Jack's traumatic past, psychological scars, and violent, anti-social tendencies made the game more interesting.

 

We need characters like Bindo Jolee, Wynne, Varric, and Jacob, but only a few of them.

 

 

 

I like Leliana and am super excited to see her return. It was just an awkward line imo is all.

 

No, I mean, I don't hold Morrigan's lack of eyeglass jar against her.

 

I found that moment touching and sweet. Was it a bit odd? Yeah. People in love sometimes express it in quirky ways.

[Ieldra]

OP, the answer to your question depends on what you see as "a good character", and what you think such a "good character" would find particularly objectionable in Morrigan.

As I see it, Morrigan has survivalist mindset characterized by the idea that those who can't survive on their own strengths don't deserve to survive at all. I find this a quite appropriate mindset for someone who has always had to survive on her own strengths, with even her mother teaching her nothing but to do exactly that, and with nobody who ever helped her until the Warden came along. What she isn't is malicious, and that makes all the difference.

So why would I want to romance her as a "good character"? Well, of course because I like her strengths, her clear and rational, albeit somewhat cynical view of the world, her attitude towards the Chantry and her self-reliance and strength. I've never found a person with no traits I didn't like in real life, and that has rarely stopped me from pursuing a relationship if there was enough to like about the person in question. I don't mind things being the same in a game.

Most notably, I would *not* romance her with the goal of changing her. I've always despised that attitude, both in RL (where I know the type) and in fictional characters. If Morrigans survivalist attitude softens somewhat, that's good, but as I said, I like her self-reliance and I would hate to see her defined by empathy instead. Also, since I romanced her for what I liked, I would like those traits I like to remain undiluted.

[Milan92]

I did say less crazy, and yeah the ring is less creepy than the eyelash thing.

 

Oh come on. The eyelash thing wasn't creepy. Just super adorable.

 

Okay...maybe, maybe, maaaaaaybe just a little creepy, but... Leli is too cute to hold that against her

[Mistress9Nine]

I never liked the b****, I just wanted the achievement.

[Wolfen09]

i usually romanced her when i was a mage.... but for the whole good person romancing her thing... it was more of my character wanting her to see the good in life rather then being cynical...  At the end, she has changed a bit, but still remains the same woman inside.... so its not a complete transformation... but it shows that there is some good in her...  That was my reason...  other characters i played wound up with leliana.... and the one time with zev and allistair for the achievement.... and the one time i forgot to romance someone....

[Swoopdogg]

People in a romantic relationship don't have to have the same morals. You don't want your LI to be a carbon copy of yourself, do you? Personally, I think it is far more interesting if my LI has conflicting morals with my PC. It makes the romance spicier

 

Basically, just because someone loves you doesn't mean they have to agree with you on everything. They're their own person.