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[Heimdall]

There are free mages among the Dalish, so they may have been given a seat at the table, especially if Lambert's templars are focused on them as well. Fiona could have reached out to the Dalish as potential allies against a common enemy.

With all the circles running amok in the countryside, I imagine the Dalish would be the least of the Templars' worries. I could see Fiona reaching out to the Dalish. I suspect the Dalish PC might be part of a delegation the Dalish sent to get the lay of the land and see what opportunities they can squeeze out of the chaos. Alternatively, delivering threats or seeking something in the Gauntlet. If they knew about Shartan's apparition, I can imagine a Keeper sending someone to check it out.

[In Exile]

No, because people dont acknowledge what im saying, they continue their point without addressing what i've said. How many RPGs give you a role that encompasses this many aspects of leadership? Most RPGs that turn a nobody into somebody always make it so by performing great feats, never by leading armies right off the bat. Its not an unreasonable expectation especially given the track record of those around us, this sort of character detail in my opinion should make sense in order to buy into our role as an Inquisitor. Is it absolutely necessary? No of course not but it would help immerse players into the role. 

 

The Inquisition isn't a great army. It's a bunch of ragtag survivors who figure "demon apocalypse" is a really, really bad idea. Not at the start, anyway.

[SerCambria358]

But we're not going to be leading armies right off the bat, that I've seen anywhere.  We're going to be doing the same things we did in all the other games I mentioned, working our way up the "importance" ladder.  Once we get there, the reason we're there will be clear, I'd think.

You may be right, only time will tell at this point

 

The PC is entirely qualified to lead, with the help of their advisers, by the simple merit that without them, these breaches stay open and no amount of bickering or coercion will change that.

Having advisers doesnt qualify someone to lead, thats like someone with zero experience in teaching a classroom being given job as principal because they'll have some teachers advice them. Why not just hire the people with experience? Am i doubting that there will be a good reason to lead? No, but again, a unique ability and some advisers in itself doesnt qualify someone. Imagine the Warden with no experience with the blight all of a sudden becoming Warden commander in Awakening, that wouldnt make sense.

[SerCambria358]

Maybe the origin story will explain why the Inquisitor is a relevant character before he was even thr inquisitor.

But I guess he'd have to have some sort of importance because firstly, he survived the blast, which I'm pretty sure isn't a matter of luck. Second, he won't even be near the summit in the first place if he didn't have business there.

My thoughts exactly

[SerCambria358]

The Inquisition isn't a great army. It's a bunch of ragtag survivors who figure "demon apocalypse" is a really, really bad idea. Not at the start, anyway.

Its not a massive army but its an army, where did you get that info? Im pretty sure thats not what the inquisition is

[LobselVith8]

With all the circles running amok in the countryside, I imagine the Dalish would be the least of the Templars' worries. I could see Fiona reaching out to the Dalish. I suspect the Dalish PC might be part of a delegation the Dalish sent to get the lay of the land and see what opportunities they can squeeze out of the chaos. Alternatively, delivering threats or seeking something in the Gauntlet. If they knew about Shartan's apparition, I can imagine a Keeper sending someone to check it out.

A scholarly interest in the Gauntlet and the words of Shartan would be an interesting start for an elven Inquisitor.

[In Exile]

Its not a massive army but its an army, where did you get that info? Im pretty sure thats not what the inquisition is

 

At the start of the game, there's no Inquisition. We have the disaster at the conference were the PC is, and the PC survivors. Cassandra is there, based on the trailer. Varric is (we guess) with her. That opening sequence - our standard prologue for everyone - basically is the founding of the Inquisition. Maybe Cassandra pulls in her Seekers, maybe not, but either way the Inquisition doesn't exist at the start of the game. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

You may be right, only time will tell at this point

 

Having advisers doesnt qualify someone to lead, thats like someone with zero experience in teaching a classroom being given job as principal because they'll have some teachers advice them. Why not just hire the people with experience? Am i doubting that there will be a good reason to lead? No, but again, a unique ability and some advisers in itself doesnt qualify someone. Imagine the Warden with no experience with the blight all of a sudden becoming Warden commander in Awakening, that wouldnt make sense.

 

What makes any lord, lady, duke or duchess, prince, princess, king, queen, or emporer/empress qualified to rule at this time? Their blood of course, how much they're related to the first king or first of their bloodline who managed to obtain a title. How did those other people first obtain their titles? It wasn't by being a qualified ruler, I'll tell you that. It is a title won by feats, such as loghain being made teyrn just because he was good at killing orlesians. Additionally, what made meghren so much more qualified to be king at the time? His blood relation to someone in the upper branches of power.

 

There are two ways to be put in charge of something, either you're really good at killing, lucky, or related to someone who was either of those things. So I don't see why all of a sudden we're throwing qualifications into the mix.

[In Exile]

What makes any lord, lady, duke or duchess, prince, princess, king, queen, or emporer/empress qualified to rule at this time? Their blood of course, how much they're related to the first king or first of their bloodline who managed to obtain a title. How did those other people first obtain their titles? It wasn't by being a qualified ruler, I'll tell you that. It is a title won by feats, such as loghain being made teyrn just because he was good at killing orlesians. Additionally, what made meghren so much more qualified to be king at the time? His blood relation to someone in the upper branches of power.

 

There are two ways to be put in charge of something, either you're really good at killing, lucky, or related to someone who was either of those things. So I don't see why all of a sudden we're throwing qualifications into the mix.

 

Nobles are also raised by their family to understand their station, at least in theory. 

[SerCambria358]

At the start of the game, there's no Inquisition. We have the disaster at the conference were the PC is, and the PC survivors. Cassandra is there, based on the trailer. Varric is (we guess) with her. That opening sequence - our standard prologue for everyone - basically is the founding of the Inquisition. Maybe Cassandra pulls in her Seekers, maybe not, but either way the Inquisition doesn't exist at the start of the game. 

None of that concludes that they are ragtag survivors. The inquisition already existed but turned into the templars, the inquisition in this game was already in talks of being reestablished with this explosion finalizing that decision. Plus we're the only survivor how can their be others to form the inquisition?

 

What makes any lord, lady, duke or duchess, prince, princess, king, queen, or emporer/empress qualified to rule at this time? Their blood of course, how much they're related to the first king or first of their bloodline who managed to obtain a title. How did those other people first obtain their titles? It wasn't by being a qualified ruler, I'll tell you that. It is a title won by feats, such as loghain being made teyrn just because he was good at killing orlesians. Additionally, what made meghren so much more qualified to be king at the time? His blood relation to someone in the upper branches of power.

 

There are two ways to be put in charge of something, either you're really good at killing, lucky, or related to someone who was either of those things. So I don't see why all of a sudden we're throwing qualifications into the mix.

I dont see how that pertains to this.  

[Cainhurst Crow]

Nobles are also raised by their family to understand their station, at least in theory. 

 

Loghain was a poacher, so I'd like to hear the story of his poaching dad sitting him on his lap and telling him the secret to balancing a royal economy while coordinating a royal hearing.

[Eumerin]

I wonder what the Dalish PC was doing there to begin with...  Worst case of wrong place at the wrong time ever?

 

Possibly.  It's also possible that the Dalish were acting as a neutral party in the negotiations.  Or that they were present representing the groups involved in the Elvish revolt.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I dont see how that pertains to this.  

You don't see how the story of loghian, a man who started as a commoner, becoming a teyrn by his feats in the orlisean war and was thrust into a position of power, has anything to do with how our inquisitor, after demonstrating a tremendous feat in this time of crisis will be given the title of inquisistor and thrust into a position of power.

[SerCambria358]

Loghain was a poacher, so I'd like to hear the story of his poaching dad sitting him on his lap and telling him the secret to balancing a royal economy while coordinating a royal hearing.

That was learned through years and years of being by Marics side, experience, something our PC will most likely have in my opinion

[Cainhurst Crow]

That was learned through years and years of being by Marics side, experience.

 

 I;d like to read the tale of king teenager maric teaching loghain how to properly negotiate zoning areas between two competing farmers.

 

You blasted the importance of having advisers when getting into a leadership position, but the way I see it, without those advisers 80% of the people in power would have driven their organizations and countries into the ground by now.

[In Exile]

Loghain was a poacher, so I'd like to hear the story of his poaching dad sitting him on his lap and telling him the secret to balancing a royal economy while coordinating a royal hearing.

 

Loghain organized a military rebellion and was a tactical genius. He wasn't up and made a noble after a bunch of poaching. He integrated himself in the whole of the Fereldan nobility with Maric. Running an army taught him how to run a fiefdom. 

 

 

Maric, who at the time was a kid, and himself would have the collective experience and training of alistar...sure there guy. I;d like to read the tale of king maric teaching loghain how to properly negotiate zoning areas between two competing farmers.

 

 

 

Kings don't do that. Nobles don't either, really, at least if Ferelden is anything like how England was back in the day.

[robertthebard]

So he started as nothing and earned his accolades as he progressed through the war with Orlais.  Very interesting.

[SerCambria358]

 I;d like to read the tale of king teenager maric teaching loghain how to properly negotiate zoning areas between two competing farmers.

18 is not a "kid" in medieval standards, he had access to this knowledge being close to nobility. Younger people in history have lead armies due to their access to education (The Black Prince)

[Cainhurst Crow]

Let's also not pretend loghian was anything but lucky here either, when him being a tactical genius and meeting someone who would one day be in power to grant him a title were both simply luck based and nothing more.

[azarhal]

Based on what they stated in recent interviews I think the meeting was set with the goal of closing a peace Accord between mages and the Chantry. I don't see why the dalish, the dwarves or the Vashots (or even a non-mage human) would attend the meeting as part of their respective groups. Their presence would be irrelevant for the goal of the meeting.

 

Humans, Dwarves and Qunari are often mercenaries and the Chantry is running low on soldiers. They need people to guard the meeting and it's not going to be Templars, that's for sure.

 

The Dalish might have been invited for their point-of-view. It's clear that Cassandra was trying to find Hawke (and the Warden) to bring them at the meeting now.

[In Exile]

Let's also not pretend loghian was anything but lucky here either, when him being a tactical genius and meeting someone who would one day be in power to grant him a title were both simply luck based and nothing more.

 

Loghain is unbelievably lucky and his entire standing is basically pure fluke, his only contribution was having the ability to rise to the occasion. That still doesn't mean that nobles don't actually learn stuff about governing when they're brought up by other nobles that random slobs don't learn, including the basic social ties between other nobles (so, basically, what the political lay of the land is). 

[SerCambria358]

Let's also not pretend loghian was anything but lucky here either, when him being a tactical genius and meeting someone who would one day be in power to grant him a title were both simply luck based and nothing more.

That has nothing to do with the point i've been making

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'd also like to remind people about the warden for a moment, for whom 4/6 backstories didn't give them any sort of qualification to lead, but who not only managed to organize an army together, but also was put in charge of an entire lord/ladyship of ferelden.

 

You might not like it, but surviving the fade tear is going to be the feat that allows us recognition as a leader, that or perhaps when he show we can seal the breaches. Heck, we could even have a mentor figure in charge of the inquisition who dies, and passes  the title onto us.

[SerCambria358]

I'd also like to remind people about the warden for a moment, for whom 4/6 backstories didn't give them any sort of qualification to lead, but who not only managed to organize an army together, but also was put in charge of an entire lord/ladyship of ferelden.

 

You might not like it, but surviving the fade tear is going to be the feat that allows us recognition as a leader, that or perhaps when he show we can seal the breaches. Heck, we could even have a mentor figure in charge of the inquisition who dies, and passes  the title onto us.

I've already discussed the warden, calling for aid takes no skill, i wouldnt call that being put in charge. You either convince Alistair to be king, convince him to marry anora, or support Anora, its more influence than direct control.

[robertthebard]

...and if you play Awakening, and survived the Archdemon, you're the Arl of Amaranthine.