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[In Exile]

I'd also like to remind people about the warden for a moment, for whom 4/6 backstories didn't give them any sort of qualification to lead, but who not only managed to organize an army together, but also was put in charge of an entire lord/ladyship of ferelden.

The warden didn't lead jack. You had Alistair follow you along like a sad puppy after Ostagar and Morrigan tagged along too. Everyone else you "lead" was just your posse of hangers-on who also wanted to end the blight. 

 

You randomly get made a "leader" of the army at the end of the game but you don't lead anything since Alistiar/Eamon/Riordan really come up with the battlle plan, which is just charge Denerim and hope for the best (or leap out of a tower and hope for the best in Riordan's case). 

[Cainhurst Crow]

And in dragon age awakening, where you are made an arl? If anything your arguments have just lent to my point about you not needing qualifications in order to be put in charge, and that you can still do well in the role.

 

With the right kind of help at your side, IE advisers.

[robertthebard]

That doesn't count, it doesn't support the claim made

[SerCambria358]

nvm 

[In Exile]

And in dragon age awakening, where you are made an arl? If anything your arguments have just lent to my point about you not needing qualifications in order to be put in charge, and that you can still do well in the role.

And you immediately got paired up with 3 advisors because you had no idea what you were doing, and pretty much just picked between their recommendations as the Decider? All you do in DA:A is lead your killsquad and follow the leads from your Steward/Senechal. 

[SerCambria358]

And in dragon age awakening, where you are made an arl? If anything your arguments have just lent to my point about you not needing qualifications in order to be put in charge, and that you can still do well in the role.

 

With the right kind of help at your side, IE advisers.

At that point you've already had experience in both politics and with getting to know the people, why wouldnt the Warden be qualified?

[Cainhurst Crow]

And you immediately got paired up with 3 advisors because you had no idea what you were doing, and pretty much just picked between their recommendations as the Decider? All you do in DA:A is lead your killsquad and follow the leads from your Steward/Senechal.

Oh, I guess your right. It's not like I hadn't brought up having advisers in the first post I made on this subject...oh wait I did.

I guess that doesn't matter though considering we don't have any advisers in this game...oh wait.

At that point you've already had experience in both politics and with getting to know the people, why wouldnt the Warden be qualified?

You spent this thread detailing that the warden didn't do jack to make them qualified, and now your turn around and say "Well of course they were qualified" cause this time, people pulled and example that challenges your claim.
 
If this is the type of bullshit I can look forward in continuing this discussion, I'm out.

[Eveangaline]

My Inquisitor will have been a brick farmer.

 

She farmed bricks.

[SerCambria358]

You spent this thread detailing that the warden didn't do jack to make them qualified, and now your turn around and say "Well of course they were qualified" cause this time, people pulled and example that challenges your claim.
 
If this is the type of bullshit I can look forward in continuing this discussion, I'm out.

We were talking about them becoming Arl after the blight debacle, which lasted about a year or so being involved with politics multiple times on that journey, thats not hard to grasp. If you want to leave then go right ahead, you're the one having trouble understanding me 

[TheCreeper]

Keep in mind the Peace Conference had Thousands of people at it, An Event that large attraches all sorts, from people looking for work as a Bodyguard to people who just want to see how this all goes down. Now as to why they are made leader, I imagine it's sort of like what happened with Alistair, Either Cassandra or Leliana didn't want to be leader for various reasons and or they figured having the guy/gal with the only power that can stop this as the leader would rally more people to the cause. 

[Urazz]

One solution would be to have everyone start at different locations in the prologue and have the veil tears happen all over Thedas and the Inquisitor gets sucked into one wherever he/she is located at.  He/She manages to navigate through the Fade and comes out at a certain location of a Veil tear there and ends up rallying the defense of a nearby town that wasn't destroyed by the Veil tear but is under attack from the demons/spirits.

 

The Inquisitor saves the town, Chantry forces arrive and tries to mount a unified defense against the Veil tears but no one wants to ally with the Chantry and everyone is infighting at the summit.  The Inquisitor then volunteers to recreate the Inquisition as a neutral party and thus recruits anyone willing to help.

 

Well, at least it'll be something like this is what I'm imagining.

[Mihura]

I for one expect to have the option to be a total failure of a leader. I mean you are suppose to be the head of a military organisation without a proper CV, just because your hands glow and you can close portals. 

[TheCreeper]

One solution would be to have everyone start at different locations in the prologue and have the veil tears happen all over Thedas and the Inquisitor gets sucked into one wherever he/she is located at.  He/She manages to navigate through the Fade and comes out at a certain location of a Veil tear there and ends up rallying the defense of a nearby town that wasn't destroyed by the Veil tear but is under attack from the demons/spirits.

 

The Inquisitor saves the town, Chantry forces arrive and tries to mount a unified defense against the Veil tears but no one wants to ally with the Chantry and everyone is infighting at the summit.  The Inquisitor then volunteers to recreate the Inquisition as a neutral party and thus recruits anyone willing to help.

 

Well, at least it'll be something like this is what I'm imagining.

I thought that as well though considering the Inqusitior and their power is one big "Not as planned" for the big bad I would question how and why they got sucked up since it seems to happen at the Conference then spread out across Thedas.

[Danny Boy 7]

I remember it being mentioned that each race's family had some relevant heritage that made them important members of their respective culture. Potentially for a human (my own speculation) they're either a member of the Bannorn, child of a prominent rebel leader or maybe just the descendent of one of Andraste's followers or some new as of yet mentioned group important to humans. Regardless it's possible that the gathering attracts the various races. Dwarves live underneath the Frostbacks where the meeting is taking place so if armies gather above it might be in their interest to see the all the commotion, the Dalish have mages and probably have a vested interest in either the mages coming out top or just for the Templars to stop hunting them. Qunari is a bit harder, but maybe they were hired by one of the groups (mages) as backup/ancillary troops or have a settlement somewhere in the mountains?

 

The Inquisition is likely formally established after the breach by the Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana and possibly the two other advisors we expect to have join us. As for why we're put in charge of the Inquisition rather than say Cassandra or Leliana I suspect that's because 1. The group starts out small 2. We are the only one with the ability to seal the Fade Tears 3. Being a survivor that commoners see get the job done is ideal in a fledgling organization, especially so if that person is the leader. Add to those little snippets that we'll probably be given the opportunity to show that we're leadership material in the first level (if we're not already the leader of some group or another)

[Aimi]

You know, Alexander the Great had a private secretary. Nice guy. Name of Eumenes of Kardia.

When Alexander died, all his generals turned warlord and started conniving at breaking up the empire he created. It started out as a political struggle, then slowly disintegrated into actual civil wars, with some of the biggest battles in history up to that point.

Eumenes found himself leading an army in those wars. And he - the secretary - ended up being one of the finest military commanders of the bunch, besting men who had helped Alexander lead his world-conquering army. At the Hellespont, in Mesopotamia, at Paraitakene, and at Gabiene, he demonstrated a tactical and operational virtuosity that frequently confounded his opponents.

So, y'know, if you're getting stuck on qualifications...

[SerCambria358]

You know, Alexander the Great had a private secretary. Nice guy. Name of Eumenes of Kardia.

When Alexander died, all his generals turned warlord and started conniving at breaking up the empire he created. It started out as a political struggle, then slowly disintegrated into actual civil wars, with some of the biggest battles in history up to that point.

Eumenes found himself leading an army in those wars. And he - the secretary - ended up being one of the finest military commanders of the bunch, besting men who had helped Alexander lead his world-conquering army. At the Hellespont, in Mesopotamia, at Paraitakene, and at Gabiene, he demonstrated a tactical and operational virtuosity that frequently confounded his opponents.

So, y'know, if you're getting stuck on qualifications...

Well spending years besides one of the greatest tacticians in history has something to do with that i'd assume. I'm not saying you have to be a warlord prior to this event, im just saying it would make more sense if this person had some sort of background in combat or is an authority figure of some sort 

[RazorrX]

you were at the meeting to carry around the urine bucket.

 

You are qualified because you are the only person who can Close a Breach.  It does not matter if you know how to run things, if you have any training,etc.  If you want to lead you are leading because you are the ONLY person who can Close a Breach.

[Need for Sleep]

The PC was a notorious employee of the local brothel.

All my terrible joking aside, if the game does allow us to choose backgrounds of some sort, I imagine those would be the answer.

[TurretSyndrome]

I always wondered this about the potential Inquisitor. There really needs to be a proper reason for us to be put on the pedestal. If it's like DA:O and DA 2, where Alistair and Carver just tell you to "lead on", I will be very disappointed.

[SerCambria358]

you were at the meeting to carry around the urine bucket.

 

You are qualified because you are the only person who can Close a Breach.  It does not matter if you know how to run things, if you have any training,etc.  If you want to lead you are leading because you are the ONLY person who can Close a Breach.

As i've said before, how does that alone make someone a good leader? 

[SerCambria358]

I always wondered this about the potential Inquisitor. There really needs to be a proper reason for us to be put on the pedestal. If it's like DA:O and DA 2, where Alistair and Carver just tell you to "lead on", I will be very disappointed.

I never minded those much because no one else was really any better of a leader, plus you werent leading any big organization (besides Awakening)

[TurretSyndrome]

I never minded those much because no one else was really any better of a leader, plus you werent leading any big organization (besides Awakening)

 

True. Which means there needs to be more emphasis this time around on why we should be the leader, and not someone like Cassandra(who is probably more qualified for such a role). The Rift power alone does not qualify as a reason. All it shows is that we are at least useful to the order, but nothing more.

[RazorrX]

As i've said before, how does that alone make someone a good leader? 

 

It does not.

 

What it does is make you the leader if you want to be the leader.  Thus that is how you are qualified to be the leader, Not that you are qualified to be a GOOD leader.  It often does not require a good leader to lead, you need someone that people will follow.  THEN you have people who can make things happen and it makes the figurehead LOOK like a good leader.

[SerCambria358]

It does not.

 

What it does is make you the leader if you want to be the leader.  Thus that is how you are qualified to be the leader, Not that you are qualified to be a GOOD leader.  It often does not require a good leader to lead, you need someone that people will follow.  THEN you have people who can make things happen and it makes the figurehead LOOK like a good leader.

That would make sense except we're given complete control

[Danny Boy 7]

Well spending years besides one of the greatest tacticians in history has something to do with that i'd assume. I'm not saying you have to be a warlord prior to this event, im just saying it would make more sense if this person had some sort of background in combat or is an authority figure of some sort 

 

Yeah, but it doesn't really need to be extensive (not that your saying it does) and in any or rather most circumstances they'll have a lower/less extensive resume than Cassandra or Leliana or even Cullen possibly know what I mean? I'm sure they'll come up with more reasons, but so far it seems 1. You founded the Inquisition 2. You are the only person with the rather important ability of closing these tears and 3. It seems the Antagonist has a vested interest in specifically messing with you. You might also be the only person capable of/having success at hunting the primary antagonist which makes you the prime candidate for leadership. Just my thoughts, but I'm interested in your opinion on it.